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Mr Dog posted:Use gnome you useless spergs MALE SHOEGAZE posted:not well enough since i had to download two shell extensions just to disable hot corners and disable the obnoxious notification banner that insists on taking up the bottom left couple of pixels on my main screen Lol loving perfect. Also my first linux was Slackware back when it was on floppies.
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Jun 30, 2016 05:22
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ratbert90 posted:Wait, you are developing a app with a gui that is expected to be used with rhel? yeah it's a component of a much larger product so it has to work on any platform the product itself does
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carry on then posted:i'm expected to develop software that's compatible with that arrangement, yes why? anybody who wants to use UNIX with a real UI is already using the world's most advanced operating system, macOS
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Jun 30, 2016 06:34
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my first UNIX was AT&T System V Release 3.2 on an AT&T 3B2 accessed via dialup my second was MINIX 1.5 on the Mac both of these were before either 386BSD or Linux existed
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Jun 30, 2016 06:37
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eschaton posted:why? anybody who wants to use UNIX with a real UI is already using the world's most advanced operating system, macOS linux isn't UNIX though, it's GNU. so obviously someone who chooses to use linux does not want to use UNIX.
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Jun 30, 2016 09:50
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eschaton posted:my first UNIX was AT&T System V Release 3.2 on an AT&T 3B2 accessed via dialup gently caress
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Jun 30, 2016 10:43
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eschaton posted:my first UNIX was AT&T System V Release 3.2 on an AT&T 3B2 accessed via dialup you win at yospos
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Jun 30, 2016 10:45
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my stepdads beer posted:docker seems interesting it's more annoying that docker stop doesn't destroy volumes. we use docker for p much everything including integration tests, so if you run them locally you end up with a full hdd after a while. up until recently there wasn't a convenient way to nuke them all, either
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Jun 30, 2016 10:48
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VikingofRock posted:I like KDE5 because it is really pretty
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eschaton posted:my first UNIX was AT&T System V Release 3.2 on an AT&T 3B2 accessed via dialup 
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Jun 30, 2016 14:39
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Soricidus posted:linux isn't UNIX though, it's GNU. so obviously someone who chooses to use linux does not want to use UNIX. Linux is System V fanfic
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Jun 30, 2016 16:40
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Shaggar posted:tl;dr: Linux user throws garbage at immigrants
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eschaton posted:Linux is System V fanfic
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Jun 30, 2016 18:44
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anyone got a link to that discussion about why fedora was the least-bad linux its for a project im working on
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Jun 30, 2016 19:01
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Silver Alicorn posted:remember mandrake linux Smythe posted:My first linux  Remember not being able to eject a cd without sudo 
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Jun 30, 2016 19:06
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Korean Boomhauer posted:anyone got a link to that discussion about why fedora was the least-bad linux its for a project im working on because it's actually made to be an enterprise workstation and not some bespoke custom bullshit that's useless outside of toy applications?
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Jun 30, 2016 19:19
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Apocadall posted:because it's actually made to be an enterprise workstation and not some bespoke custom bullshit that's useless outside of toy applications? it's an enterprise workstation beta... the real enterprise workstation is red hat enterprise linux. RHEL uses fedora as a base, however. but it's still miles away more enterprise ready than ubuntu I am ok with the rolling release updating of fedora... it's become quite painless now
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Jun 30, 2016 20:10
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ratbert90 posted:Lol loving perfect. My first linux was Red Hat Linux 6.2. Fell in love on the first day.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:14
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If you want something reliable then use CentOS. If you're feeling a bit more frisky then use Arch. Which has worked fine for me but you do have to update it regularly. Usually when people whine about how Arch breaks poo poo it's because they went like a year between upgrades and something big happened in the intervening period. If you use Fedora you're doing unpaid QA for RHEL. On the other hand, Arch is rather stupid about a few things. For instance, Arch Build System builds -debug packages with debug symbols and such perfectly happily but they are never uploaded to the official repos, so if you want to step into system libraries then you have to rebuild them locally which is stupid. Their multiarch handling is also stupid because it's not the Debian way aka Literally The Only Correct Way to do multiarch.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:16
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I have a wayland story. I downloaded the new free quake episode by machine games. It comes in a rar file that I had to unrar with an ubuntu install. Fedora has the darkplaces engine in the standard repository, but it wouldn't recognize keystrokes when booting with glx. Switched back to non-wayland and it works perfectly. Conclusion: Wayland is not ready for the linux desktop.
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VikingofRock posted:I like KDE5 because it is really pretty The gently caress is wreong with ppl....
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Jun 30, 2016 20:33
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Mr Dog posted:If you want something reliable then use CentOS. If you're feeling a bit more frisky then use Arch. Which has worked fine for me but you do have to update it regularly. Usually when people whine about how Arch breaks poo poo it's because they went like a year between upgrades and something big happened in the intervening period. centos is unacceptable as a desktop operating system. worse than debian. using desktop linux by choice is unpaid qa, may as well choose the most competent vendor
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OldAlias posted:centos is unacceptable as a desktop operating system. worse than debian. using desktop linux by choice is unpaid qa, may as well choose the most competent vendor which is rhel, and by extension, centos?
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Jun 30, 2016 22:10
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Mr Dog posted:If you use Fedora you're doing unpaid QA for RHEL. idgi, am I missing something here?
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Jun 30, 2016 22:23
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H2Eau posted:it's more annoying that docker stop doesn't destroy volumes. we use docker for p much everything including integration tests, so if you run them locally you end up with a full hdd after a while. up until recently there wasn't a convenient way to nuke them all, either maybe i need to stop thinking of containers as VMs what if you have a DB container though can you mark some volume as DO NOT DESTROY or something
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Jun 30, 2016 22:47
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my stepdads beer posted:maybe i need to stop thinking of containers as VMs no, not afaik dbs are the only thing we don't use docker for, unless it's for a test just treat containers as entirely expendable
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Mr Dog posted:If you use Fedora you're doing unpaid QA for RHEL. fedora releases tend to be decent since red hat seems to care about things actually working. rawhide is where you are walking on a tightrope over a volcano. celeron 300a posted:I have a wayland story. I downloaded the new free quake episode by machine games. It comes in a rar file that I had to unrar with an ubuntu install. Fedora has the darkplaces engine in the standard repository, but it wouldn't recognize keystrokes when booting with glx. fps games in particular need relative mouse movement and pointer locking support which was recently added to wayland but is still considered an unstable protocol and isn't supported in sdl yet.
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The_Franz posted:fps games in particular need relative mouse movement and pointer locking support which was recently added to wayland but is still considered an unstable protocol and isn't supported in sdl yet. loving hell H2Eau posted:just treat
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celeron 300a posted:which is rhel, and by extension, centos? do you use either of these as a desktop operating system? packages are outdated as gently caress. even with a ton of community repositories enabled it's painful at best. best suited for server use, and fedora is best suited for the desktop. i've had numerous stupid issues using fedora as a server, so i don't bother
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The_Franz posted:fps games in particular need relative mouse movement and pointer locking support which was recently added to wayland but is still considered an unstable protocol and isn't supported in sdl yet. it is both depressing and hilarious that there is so much effort towards reinventing the wheel
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OldAlias posted:do you use either of these as a desktop operating system? packages are outdated as gently caress. even with a ton of community repositories enabled it's painful at best. best suited for server use, and fedora is best suited for the desktop. i've had numerous stupid issues using fedora as a server, so i don't bother Oops, thought we were splitting hairs about enterprise linux. Lots of expensive commercial software for linux (like embedded toolchains or simulators) tend to work best on OSes that haven't really changed for years yet still get regular security updates. Plus, rhel meets common criteria, which can matter to some businesses requirements.
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Apocadall posted:so i'm kind of new at this whole pbx/vpn/godonlyknows systems admin thing, i did get the openvpn passing traffic through to an asterisk pbx server and we got two phones connecting to each other over it. my boss wants to now set up a couple hundred on it sip/rtp over openvpn is a gigantic bag of hosed. you are completely, totally screwed. these are real-time, latency- and jitter-sensitive audio streams. literally the worst case for tunneling over a tcp session w/ openvpn there are special standards for encrypted sip/rtp for this very reason. you could also use native ipsec if the phones support it
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H2Eau posted:it's more annoying that docker stop doesn't destroy volumes. we use docker for p much everything including integration tests, so if you run them locally you end up with a full hdd after a while. up until recently there wasn't a convenient way to nuke them all, either this feature has been in docker since the very beginning code:
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this feature has been in docker since the very beginning this is why you don't listen to Thoughtworkers I guess
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Mr Dog posted:If you want something reliable then use CentOS. If you're feeling a bit more frisky then use Arch. Which has worked fine for me but you do have to update it regularly. Usually when people whine about how Arch breaks poo poo it's because they went like a year between upgrades and something big happened in the intervening period. so if I use fedora I'm doing QA for redhat and if I'm using arch I'm using a distro so terrible you can't wait for a year to upgrade because there's no regression testing because there's no QA
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we've done it guys, we made it! https://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Linux&qpcustomb=0
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ahmeni posted:so if I use fedora I'm doing QA for redhat and if I'm using arch I'm using a distro so terrible you can't wait for a year to upgrade because there's no regression testing because there's no QA just use fedora, it's the least worst desktop distro and you're gaining experience wiht the things rhel and centos are going to have in a few years. using anything else is just silly.
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Condiv posted:we've done it guys, we made it! looking forward to breaking 5% in 2045 
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ahmeni posted:so if I use fedora I'm doing QA for redhat and if I'm using arch I'm using a distro so terrible you can't wait for a year to upgrade because there's no regression testing because there's no QA i would argue that fedora is more of an advertisement for redhat than a qa process unless you are using 'rawhide' (don't use rawhide)
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