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Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Mo_Steel posted:

The single best character in this whole series.

Maizano is #2. :colbert:

What's it like to be so wrong?

Agreed that

is the best character.

However anyone who doesn't believe

is the second best character is reading this wrong.

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Coffee Mugshot
Jun 26, 2010

by Lowtax
Actually the best character is the literal shinsoo master they carry around in a sleeping bag all the time and the second best character is when he's awake.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


I thought about how Baam is pretty much an invincible plot device at this point and frankly I'm okay with it since it's the story about a foreign entity no one in the Tower is prepared to handle bringing change to the Tower itself. He's kinda boring as a character but I like seeing the whole weird world change around him.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

Rak needs to channel his inner Alucard and release his chibi form.

Coffee Mugshot
Jun 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Shugojin posted:

I thought about how Baam is pretty much an invincible plot device at this point and frankly I'm okay with it since it's the story about a foreign entity no one in the Tower is prepared to handle bringing change to the Tower itself. He's kinda boring as a character but I like seeing the whole weird world change around him.

I don't really see how you think Baam is an invincible plot device. His only challenge so far has been Joaquin. I mean, it's true that he didn't get casually murdered by the dudes like Urek and the ranker, but those weren't actual battles at all. He's surprised a lot of people for sure and he has potential.

Hirethor
Dec 16, 2008

You think you know hip?
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BEING HIP!


http://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-2-ep-206/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=287

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



If Rak loses his name, will they start calling him mangator?

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Shugojin posted:

I thought about how Baam is pretty much an invincible plot device at this point and frankly I'm okay with it since it's the story about a foreign entity no one in the Tower is prepared to handle bringing change to the Tower itself. He's kinda boring as a character but I like seeing the whole weird world change around him.

I actually don't find him that boring; his personality is pretty atypical for a shounen-ish story. It's a big plot element that he doesn't really have any passion or desire aside from wanting to find Rachel and not wanting his friends to die. He doesn't have any ambition to speak of and doesn't want to improve the tower or anything and seems to never react strongly to anything that happens that isn't Rachel-related. He also seems to care more about anything Rachel related than his friends, and I would be very curious to see what would happen if he were forced into a situation where he had to choose between his friends' well-being and getting some sort of closure from Rachel.

Coffee Mugshot
Jun 26, 2010

by Lowtax
Hmm, I see that as different now. Baam is a bit preoccupied with Rachel but I think he's moved on past doting on her every move at all times. He is more interested now in understanding his power and its source. He and Rachel have had quite a bit of closure lately. This still makes him stand out because everyone else is focused on the power structure already existent in the Tower, which is something that Baam is largely unaffected by to his knowledge.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Voted Worst Mom posted:

Hmm, I see that as different now. Baam is a bit preoccupied with Rachel but I think he's moved on past doting on her every move at all times. He is more interested now in understanding his power and its source. He and Rachel have had quite a bit of closure lately. This still makes him stand out because everyone else is focused on the power structure already existent in the Tower, which is something that Baam is largely unaffected by to his knowledge.

That's somewhat true, but it's also still true that he is basing his goals off of chasing after her. There is no real need for them to go as far as risking their close friend's (Endorsi's) life just so they can be permitted to travel to the floor Rachel is going to. Honestly, the whole "willing to potentially gently caress over Endorsi just to pursue Rachel" thing kinda supports my greater point; Baam cares about his friends, but for some reason still has much stronger feelings about Rachel.

(I know that they'll almost certainly find some way to win while also getting Endorsi's name back, but are things as now they've chosen to pass Yuri's "test" over helping her.)

Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jul 11, 2016

Silento
Feb 16, 2012

The Floor of Death is where Baam's thorn came from, so it's not just about Rachel.

Hirethor
Dec 16, 2008

You think you know hip?
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BEING HIP!
Yeah, though I guess with Urek wanting to talk to Baam he could learn about irregulars that way. The Thorn is just an additional power he received not part of his natural ability, but he skipped out on waiting for Urek to come back so he could go train chasing. If he got along with Urek and still wanted to go to the floor of death he could've asked him for an escort, guaranteeing 100% safety?

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Hirethor posted:

If he got along with Urek and still wanted to go to the floor of death he could've asked him for an escort, guaranteeing 100% safety?

I bet Urek would not be that happy with that, being the manly man he is.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



Rachel is in the middle of some FUG power play, so chasing after her to stop that is a decent goal.

Bam was one plan of theirs, but they still got Emily and other machinations.

Oo Koo
Nov 19, 2012
I'm guessing that the eventual solution will end up being some variation of Bam defeating Kaiser and then throwing a fight against Endorsi. Letting her recover her name while simultaneusly proving to Yuri that he's strong enough to enter the floor of death.

Coffee Mugshot
Jun 26, 2010

by Lowtax
If Kaiser is defeated, I don't see why the floor guardian would even bother with the mechanics of this silly name stealing game.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

nimby posted:

If Rak loses his name, will they start calling him mangator?

Nothing to worry about, no turtle could possibly bear the name Rak Wraithraiser by themselves.

Hirethor
Dec 16, 2008

You think you know hip?
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BEING HIP!


http://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-2-ep-207/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=288

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012
There's no justice in this world.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



Weak boss, had trouble dealing with just 3 of the team.

Hirethor
Dec 16, 2008

You think you know hip?
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BEING HIP!
http://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-2-ep-208/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=289

Surprise appearance by bad perm.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



With Rak unconscious and definitely unable to hear them, everyone feels comfortable calling him a turtle.

Arcanen
Dec 19, 2005

nimby posted:

With Rak unconscious and definitely unable to hear them, everyone feels comfortable calling him a turtle.

Yeah, that part of the translation was a bit weird this chapter.

Speaking of which, at what point did Androssi become Endorsi?

Adelheid
Mar 29, 2010

Arcanen posted:

Yeah, that part of the translation was a bit weird this chapter.

Speaking of which, at what point did Androssi become Endorsi?

Androssi has always been Endorsi in the official translation, Androssi is just an example of the initial fan translation effort being terrible (lol Lahel). The original Korean is 엔도르시 .

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


RAK WRATHRAISER IS NOT A TURTLE

the gently caress happened with the translation this week

Coffee Mugshot
Jun 26, 2010

by Lowtax
I like how they made rak lose. He definitely lost to the ignition weapon they gave inieta.

KittyEmpress
Dec 30, 2012

Jam Buddies

I dislike that Rak lost. I would like for his boasting to be justified some day, and for him to bowl over someone high level. I am getting tired of Baam and Koon being the only protagonists who ever seem to win.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
Rak actually did win. He stole sword dude's name and is currently playing the long game on all these turtles.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

It kind of bugs me that Koon was able to evenly fight "dude who does nothing but swords 24/7" with a knife. If he had "won" (well, gotten past him) in some way other than flat out matching him in melee combat it wouldn't have bothered me as much. I mean, I understand that the 10 families are hot poo poo, but that was just kinda silly.

Coffee Mugshot
Jun 26, 2010

by Lowtax
Maybe, but the khun family is pretty stacked. Ehwa is still figuring out her poo poo, but she's going to be a monster later in this series.

Hirethor
Dec 16, 2008

You think you know hip?
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BEING HIP!
And Koon has been strong since the first time he was shown, he just doesn't show it very often.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Hirethor posted:

And Koon has been strong since the first time he was shown, he just doesn't show it very often.

Oh, I know he's strong, it's just that sword-dude has also been shown to be strong and focuses exclusively on fighting with swords 24/7, so it's kinda depressing (for him) that Khun is able to match him in melee combat. I mean, swords are his life, while knives are not Khun's life. Very sad.

Silento
Feb 16, 2012

Ytlaya posted:

Oh, I know he's strong, it's just that sword-dude has also been shown to be strong and focuses exclusively on fighting with swords 24/7, so it's kinda depressing (for him) that Khun is able to match him in melee combat. I mean, swords are his life, while knives are not Khun's life. Very sad.

:sad:

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Khun represents illegal immigrants, while Hatsu represents the poor white working class.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
remember that warning way back at the start of ToG not to trust him. i remember it but not who said it

Hirethor
Dec 16, 2008

You think you know hip?
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BEING HIP!

Jose posted:

remember that warning way back at the start of ToG not to trust him. i remember it but not who said it

Lero Ro, http://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-1-ep-11/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=12

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


If you think Khun was playing fair and actually just knife fighting you don't know Khun

Elite
Oct 30, 2010

Oo Koo posted:

I'm guessing that the eventual solution will end up being some variation of Bam defeating Kaiser and then throwing a fight against Endorsi. Letting her recover her name while simultaneusly proving to Yuri that he's strong enough to enter the floor of death.

Why are the two groups even in conflict here?

The spirit of Bam's mission is to defeat Kaiser.
The letter of Bam's mission is to steal Kaiser's name.

Defeating Kaiser then giving the name away to someone else fulfils both the letter and the spirit of the task he was assigned, and it's not like Yuri needs or wants Kaiser's name. Sure maybe some technicalities have been lost in translation but even with some extra hoops to jump through you should still be able to come up with a mutually acceptable solution in literally seconds. Especially if you're Koon.

e.g.
Bam defeats Kaiser, Bam gives Kaiser's name to Endorsi, Bam presents Endorsi to Yuri.
Bam defeats Kaiser, Bam talks to Yuri to complete his mission, Bam gives Kaiser's name to Endorsi.

You can say "why didn't they just?" for a lot of things but here the eventual solution is almost certainly going to involve them cooperating in some way, which kinda just makes the genius strategists look dumb for not realizing that their objectives were actually compatible. I guess I'm just not seeing why a name is a one time only plot token given that one of the parties doesn't even really want it.

Arcanen posted:

Speaking of which, at what point did Androssi become Endorsi?

I legit thought that because her name had been stolen everyone had to start referring to her by a knock-off sound-a-like name

Cirina
Feb 15, 2013

Operation complete.

Shugojin posted:

If you think Khun was playing fair and actually just knife fighting you don't know Khun

Pretty sure it was explicitly said that Khun was using the lighthouse in addition to his knife, which tilted the odds to his favor.

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Bernardo Orel
Sep 2, 2011

http://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-2-ep-209/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=290 Time for some anger management

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