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And luddites are worried about needing the number of the beast to buy food and things. Nope, the system being broken will send us back to a cash society. Also banknotes are serialized so it's pretty much just their laziness and you not wanting to be That Guy Who Pays In Pennies that keeps every transaction from being thoroughly tracked as is.
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Sir Unimaginative posted:Also banknotes are serialized so it's pretty much just their laziness and you not wanting to be That Guy Who Pays In Pennies that keeps every transaction from being thoroughly tracked as is. So in this hypothetical scenario where tills are replaced with scanners that read every single bill's serial number, how do they associate the money being fed in with any particular person? Do you also have to hand over your driver's license when you pay with cash?
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Pham Nuwen posted:So in this hypothetical scenario where tills are replaced with scanners that read every single bill's serial number, how do they associate the money being fed in with any particular person? Do you also have to hand over your driver's license when you pay with cash? Bank accounts are still a thing. Wait long enough and Big Data will do it for you, unless everyone keeps their money under the mattress. Note this is all hypothetical, and an effort to point out how silly total transaction awareness is. Bill scanners aren't going to be that literally everywhere. Probably. They have iPhone vending machines now, so the economy still has plenty of room for weird. dont be mean to me has a new favorite as of 22:08 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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Stick Insect posted:I've got an Acer Aspire One because it was one of the first netbooks I saw that had a keyboard I could touch-type on, because it didn't shrink any keys. The resolution is 1024x600, so lots of programs almost fit, but not quite. I also have one of those too. It is also broken (won't boot - probably the motherboard) Agreed that it is a nice little machine - a huge step up from the EeePC 701 and the first practical netbook It sits on the shelf next to the busted EeePC...alongside a broken Samsung netbook that just wore out. These things seem to have fallen out of favour now: you can either get a cheap laptop that is too big to carry, a tablet that you can't type on and has no practcal ports, or a Chromebook that is useless when you take it out of the house.
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Aristophanes posted:It's always great fun when a chip is dirty and won't go properly. If you try to swipe a card with a chip it will tell you to insert it instead, leading to: It is just me or do chip transactions seem to take longer than swiped ones?
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chitoryu12 posted:Mileage as in fuel efficiency or how much the LLVs get driven? For fuel efficiency, they average 17 MPG mechanically but get 10 MPG in practice because of the stop-and-go travel they make. That sounds like a good case for a battery electric vehicle.
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Pham Nuwen posted:So in this hypothetical scenario where tills are replaced with scanners that read every single bill's serial number, how do they associate the money being fed in with any particular person? Do you also have to hand over your driver's license when you pay with cash? Press your thumb to the panel and pay with cash, it's simple!
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spog posted:I also have one of those too. I had one of the original EeePCs, a 701 4G. It was neat for what it was, a very solid-feeling little machine with an unfortunately lovely keyboard, and way too slow for its own good. I later replaced it with a 1001HA or something like that, a 10" model with an Atom processor and enough power to comfortably run Windows XP and surf the web at 1024x600. My dad still uses that machine because it's tiny and light and powerful enough to run the firmware flashing tools he needs for his job. These days, my laptop is a Chromebook. Full HD and 12 hours of battery life. Tethered to my phone with a 20GB monthly limit and widely available wifi, it's more than adequate for what I generally use a computer for anymore.
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Mister Kingdom posted:It is just me or do chip transactions seem to take longer than swiped ones? I think paying with chip actually verifies the transaction, so you have to wait for it.
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Spy_Guy posted:Calculator update. I got myself one of those magnifying glass lamp thingies and got to work cleaning up the Hamann Manus R. Are you cleaning crap out of the numbers or painting something white in there? e: And America is the king of obsolete technology. I haven't had to sign a credit card slip in years in Australia, and yet I had to do it everywhere when I visited the US last month. A colleague had to convince a confused salesperson that they could just wave his card at the scanner and it would work fine. You guys invented this technology! Gromit has a new favorite as of 23:32 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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Gromit posted:Are you cleaning crap out of the numbers or painting something white in there? Cleaning crap.  The thing used to be exposed to smokers and positively reeked when I opened it up after receiving it. That there stuff is several years' worth of smoking residue that's gotten stuck in the indentations.
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Aristophanes posted:It's always great fun when a chip is dirty and won't go properly. If you try to swipe a card with a chip it will tell you to insert it instead, leading to: And even when everything works right, the authentication process takes about twice as long via insertion as opposed to swiping. Christ, I know they needed a more secure technology than just a swipe and a meaningless signature, but chip-and-pin in the UK is faster.
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Driving these is quite the experience. On the one hand, the bodies are very well designed and constructed. On the other hand they have a grand total of one safety feature (the seatbelt) and just barely enough power to get moving. If you have to drive it over 30 mph the rattling drowns out everything, and actually attaining highway speeds is iffy. When it snowed I was pretty happy to be driving an FFV instead after training on the LLV. Platystemon posted:That sounds like a good case for a battery electric vehicle. They are basically an ideal use case for BEVs, no city route is much more than 20 miles and it's all stop and go. pienipple has a new favorite as of 03:35 on Jul 9, 2016 |
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Platystemon posted:That sounds like a good case for a battery electric vehicle. I'm honestly surprised the plans for a replacement haven't pushed through an electric vehicle. NYC has already been trying to replace almost all of the existing medallion cabs with electric vehicles (though they're facing resistance and issues like budget that have kept it from moving too far forward).
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pienipple posted:On the other hand they have a grand total of one safety feature (the seatbelt) and just barely enough power to get moving. If you have to drive it over 30 mph the rattling drowns out everything, and actually attaining highway speeds is iffy. Last time the LLV came up in AI, we got into discussing the fact that it's on a Chevy S10 frame, and the possibility of putting an LLV body on a Syclone/Typhoon chassis/engine, or using one of the SBC V8 swap kits made for the S10. 
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Delivery McGee posted:Last time the LLV came up in AI, we got into discussing the fact that it's on a Chevy S10 frame, and the possibility of putting an LLV body on a Syclone/Typhoon chassis/engine, or using one of the SBC V8 swap kits made for the S10. V8 swap might work (not sure if it'd fit in the engine bay), but the S10 frame under the LLV is a custom variant that was made for the LLV with a wider rear wheel base. I'm sure it would be possible to fabricate a frame that fits but it'd be a lot of work even starting from an S10 frame. The frames rotting out from under them is actually a huge problem, especially in snow & salt states. Replacing them is becoming a bigger and bigger problem since GM doesn't make the frame anymore. Compatible parts for the brakes, steering, engine, and electrics are readily available, but the frame is unique. Well the body is too but those will probably survive the apocalypse barring accident. If you get rear ended too hard the roof tends to crush down into the cabin. Onto the driver. No crumple zones, you see. pienipple has a new favorite as of 04:19 on Jul 9, 2016 |
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WebDog posted:The EEEPC mod scene was amusing, someone even managed to squeeze MacOS onto there. I was one of those crazy modders. Ripped it apart and soldered in a usb hub for more USB storage and a touch screen controller. It was a fun little device and I had no preconceived notion that it would be a blazingly fast machine. I think it was TinyXP that I squeezed onto it.
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ryonguy posted:Calling 3D printers an obsolete technology is like saying automobiles will never take off because horses are cheaper, and is probably the dumbest statement in this entire thread. Platystemon posted:A better analogy might be LASERs, which have their own uses but didn’t replace incandescent or fluorescent illumination. https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-projectors/cat-projadvinst/product-VPLFHZ57%2FW/ Platystemon posted:That sounds like a good case for a battery electric vehicle.
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So no change then?  BEVs have climate control and I guarantee it's better than what's in LLVs now.
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pienipple posted:If you get rear ended too hard the roof tends to crush down into the cabin. Onto the driver. No crumple zones, you see. Or, more charitably, one big crumple zone! Cf. the kerfuffle a few years ago re: cop cars (i.e. Ford Crown Victorias, which had 80% or more market share at the time) bursting into flame when rear-ended. It was played up in the news as if it were Pinto II, but actually the Crown Vic's gas tank is above the rear axle, probably the safest place possible; most any car will catch fire when it gets an 18-wheeler up the rear end at 70+mph, it's just that Highway Patrol cars parked on the shoulder are vastly more likely to get rear-ended by a 40-ton truck doing highway speeds, and the majority of them were Crown Vics, so the stats were a bit skewed. Edit: apparently the Crown Vic's genre of fullsize body-on-frame sedans is obsolete now, they stopped building 'em in 2011, so the only cop car now is the Dodge Charger. Ford tried to sell a V6 AWD Taurus as a cop car, it's not selling too well against the Mopar which is available with a V8. Chillbro Baggins has a new favorite as of 05:27 on Jul 9, 2016 |
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And to get back on the topic of just how far we've come, Unreal Tournament would run on its highest (non-modded) video settings at something like 40-60fps on an EEE 701. I was another early adopter of it, and I still adore the netbook size. I wonder how well the form factor could work if we could put a modern 60% mechanical keyboard layout on there, I bet it could be a great little programming box
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Sentient Data posted:I bet it could be a great little programming box I have an EeePC T91MT, its name on the network is "hackybox" because that's pretty much all it's good for. It's got a 1ghz CPU, 2gb RAM, and it won't really do Youtube/Netflix.
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I have a little babby Dell Atom-based netbook with an extended battery, and it makes a pretty decent Arduino development thingy. Also, I figure I could use a USB to serial and use it to manage my network switches too via serial interface, but that would rely on me finding a non-garbage USB to serial interface.
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The most use I've ever got out of a poo poo Tiny Piece of gently caress form factor laptop was taking out the HDD to put in my PS3.
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Delivery McGee posted:Or, more charitably, one big crumple zone! In South Central PA I see far more Explorer and Taurus cop cars than I do Chargers. I still see a few of the old Crown Vics around too but they'll be phased out completely very soon. I'm guessing the areas that see snow are leaning more towards the AWD Fords rather than having to strap on tire chains when the snow gets serious. I'm wondering where all the new Chevy cop cars are going. The old Caprices were super popular through the 80's and 90's. I saw a lot of Impalas in the 00's. Chevy does have a new cop model that looks pretty awesome to me but I haven't seen a single one on the road. Seems like Ford and Dodge have the cop cruiser business locked down. http://m.gmfleet.com/specialty-vehicles/police/chevy-caprice-ppv-police-car.html
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Humphreys posted:I have a ~$800 dual extruder 3D printer and make a handy side income re manufacturing old random 'No Longer Available' spare parts for a lot of aircons and fridges. Most of them at this stage are one off's but saving the files as I go and adding them to our company's substitute parts listing helps in the future. It's boring stuff like brackets and stepper horns but my customers at my real job really appreciate the effort to get them up and running again. It's beer money at this stage and they pay a huge premium over the original parts price, but they save having to buy a new appliance over a single lovely plastic part. no, it's obsolete and stupid. you have to listen to me! save yourself!!!
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Gromit posted:Are you cleaning crap out of the numbers or painting something white in there? Paypass/Paywave is the new 'Signing for credit' pretty much so Credit card fraud still lives on.
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my current favorite obsolete technology: vacuum tubes and the fact that there are a hundred thousand different kinds and they all look identical and they're all marked with ink that wipes off if you touch it and they're all mixed together in a box except for the big ones e: that pinkish-grey insulator on the side cap is probably beryllium oxide, which when powdered because of rough handling, machining, or abuse, causes horrible lung diseases and cancer
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Hardware stores used to have tube testers:  Note the huge number of sockets.
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I've been looking for decent tube testers nearby and nobody's got one for a good price. they're all either lovely emission testers or overpriced mutual conductance ones. thinking of just borrowing my coworker's B+K.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:I know the traditional credit card swipe reader is about to be worthy of this thread, but for fucks sake, why do the new chip readers do the following after I enter my card? (my bank still hasn't sent my chip cards)
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Delivery McGee posted:Or, more charitably, one big crumple zone! We got some of those AWD Tauruses(Taurii?) in police trim added to my fleet to replace the ancient Crown Vic's and the officers HATE them with a passion. Not because of any power or drivability issues(I personally raced the two vehicles against one another and the Taurus cleans the Crown Vic's clock 😃), but because the goddamn Taurus is TINY inside once you put the divider cages and other police equipment inside. A big tall officer with all the crap they carry on their belt barely fits in the cockpit, and great big inmates can't really fit in the back - we need to get a van for transport. The CHP went with AWD Explorers for patrol vehicles, they rejected the police Taurus for the same reason.
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Platystemon posted:Hardware stores used to have tube testers: Back in the early 70s my local Radio Shack had one of each of those plus an Optima branded one. Netbook Chat: I still have and use my MSI Wind netbook (U100 1.8Ghz Atom w/2 GB RAM). It is really handy when I need a small form factor machine and it runs great with Win 10.
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Croccers posted:The only time you need to sign with a bank/credit card in Aus is when for whatever reason it can't authorise or whatever on the spot and it goes into a Fallback mode. Holy poo poo do I hate Paywave. How the gently caress did that happen? Sure, let's make it so you don't need any authentication to buy something with a card. I can't see anything going wrong there  To be fair, there is a maximum amount you can buy so it's probably no worse than losing a wallet full of cash (at least if you realise your card is missing), but it still feels wrong to me.
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JnnyThndrs posted:We got some of those AWD Tauruses(Taurii?) in police trim added to my fleet to replace the ancient Crown Vic's and the officers HATE them with a passion. Since you have first-hand experience with this stuff: what is the logic behind cop pickups? If you're an Alaska trooper who has to traverse the wilderness to find meth labs, I get it (although even then there are better choices). But I've seen them in suburban NY and TX, and it makes no sense to me. Best scenario I could think of was transport of the most obese of criminals in the truck bed, which means there must be a crane in the cop fleet as well.
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Platystemon posted:Hardware stores used to have tube testers: The smell of a vacuum-tube TV warming up was definitely a thing.
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Trabant posted:Since you have first-hand experience with this stuff: what is the logic behind cop pickups? If you're an Alaska trooper who has to traverse the wilderness to find meth labs, I get it (although even then there are better choices). But I've seen them in suburban NY and TX, and it makes no sense to me. I don't know why a suburban police department would have one, other than maybe as a public-service vehicle - hauling booth material and such for PR events maybe. I know the California Highway patrol uses them for commercial vehicle enforcement - they have portable scales in back, as well as coveralls and tools needed for undercarriage inspections on busses and large trucks. Sometimes oddball police vehicles were seized from drug dealers and kept, rather than sell 'em at auction. There's a fake Ferrari kit car in police-paint scheme that some department in the Bay Area uses for school lectures and such that was obtained that way. I think it's a Fiero under the skin.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Holy poo poo do I hate Paywave. How the gently caress did that happen? Sure, let's make it so you don't need any authentication to buy something with a card. I can't see anything going wrong there I love Paywave for the reasons you mention. It's just like having a wallet with cash in it except I don't have to count things out or get change. Yes someone could buy small stuff with my card if I lose it, just like they could with losing my cash. But I can call the bank and immediately cancel my card, which I can't do with my cash. And any stolen purchases made are worn by the card company, not me. It's a win-win all the way.
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