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blue squares posted:Watching you guys make fun of fantasy is like listening to the band kids make fun of the anime club Must have been harsh times for you
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Jimmithy posted:Must have been harsh times for you As if. Nobody made fun of me in high school because I sat in dark corners with my trench coat and cool guy hat and everyone was intimidated
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Jul 9, 2016 16:30
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Calling us the band kids implies far more talent and popularity than we merit. We're more like the kids who volunteer in the school library and get mad at the anime club kids whispering too loud about Naruto at one of the study tables, not because we're that dedicated to our job, but because it annoys us that those guys have friends.
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Jul 9, 2016 16:32
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at the date posted:Maybe the author reads a lot of fantasy novels and likes the style. I was wondering what made Burning Rain say it sounded like it was from a fantasy novel - as in, what makes something sound like a fantasy excerpt rather than a lit excerpt if lacks obvious fantasy elements?
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Jul 9, 2016 16:33
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Enfys posted:I was wondering what made Burning Rain say it sounded like it was from a fantasy novel - as in, what makes something sound like a fantasy excerpt rather than a lit excerpt if lacks obvious fantasy elements? oh
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Jul 9, 2016 16:34
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blue squares posted:As if. Nobody made fun of me in high school because I sat in dark corners with my trench coat and cool guy hat and everyone was intimidated Yo blue how's your roommate
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Jul 9, 2016 16:37
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I think certain modes of dialogue can do it. Archaic speech patterns of certain types, use of older words, things like that. Some of this may be unavoidable in historical fiction. It's like how you can often tell a Victorian-era novel just by the language use. Contemporary style feels familiar at the time and dates a work to its age, so deliberately writing out of that can make it feel like genre writing.
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Jul 9, 2016 16:39
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i was a band kid
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Jul 9, 2016 17:06
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Yo blue how's your roommate Leaving soon! But so far no more disasters
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Jul 9, 2016 17:54
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On historical fic chat: I really recommend Cabeza de Vaca's Chronicles of the Narvaez Expedition for anyone looking to scratch that itch. It's an actual period account of a shipwrecked Spanish expedition who spend nine years wandering on foot through the Americas on their way to Mexico City, meeting and chronicling all of the indigenous cultures they meet and developing a reputation as miracle workers and folk healers along the way. It's really short, only about a 100 pages, and in translation at least it's super accessible and engaging.
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Jul 9, 2016 17:57
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Enfys posted:Why does the excerpt sound like it's from a fantasy novel? It engages in generalisations about the world and groups of people in an overblown language. Also, after the conversations we've had here recently, the image of the corpses of impaled sorcerers immediately bring fantasy novels to mind 
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Jul 9, 2016 18:04
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at the date posted:that was my point on the last page but it seems to have gone over mallamp & co 's heads
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Jul 9, 2016 18:17
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mallamp posted:seen my self-published novel with 4.5 rating on goodreads? Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Aaaaaaaaaaa Hahahahahahahahahaha Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Jul 9, 2016 18:39
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Bro, do u even self-publish?
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Jul 9, 2016 19:30
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Bro, do u even self-publish?
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Jul 9, 2016 19:40
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mallamp posted:Dude it was a pasta You haven't earned the benefit of the doubt
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Jul 9, 2016 19:46
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I'm unreliable narrator
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Jul 9, 2016 20:13
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That was mallamp's first good post give credit where it's due Mel
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Jul 9, 2016 20:26
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Corrode posted:That was mallamp's first good post give credit where it's due Mel begrudgingly
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Mallamp's first good post was ghostwritten
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Jul 9, 2016 20:41
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Haven't even shitposted in ages I wanted to talk about Celine or something but suddenly you guys are talking about loving magic systems
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Jul 9, 2016 20:46
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mallamp posted:Haven't even shitposted in ages Yeah you win this round tbh
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Jul 9, 2016 20:53
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Let's talk about our favourite real literature fantasy. I've been meaning to completely reread John Crowley's Little, Big to see if I get it any better than the first time around. Favourite passage is in the chapter "Letters to Santa": quote:“Anyway,” he began again, “my desires this year are a little clouded. I would like one of those instruments you use to sharpen the blades of an old-fashioned lawn mower. I would like the missing volume of Gibbon (Vol. II) which somebody’s apparently taken out to use as a doorstop or something and lost.” He thought of listing publisher and date, but a feeling of futility and silence came over him, drifting deep. “Santa,” he wrote, “I would like to be one person only, not a whole crowd of them, half of them always trying to turn their backs and run whenever somebody”—Sophie, he meant, Alice, Cloud, Doc, Mother; Alice most of all—”looks at me. I want to be brave and honest and shoulder my burdens. I don’t want to leave myself out while a bunch of slyboots figments do my living for me.” He stopped, seeing he was growing unintelligible. He hesitated over the complimentary close; he thought of using “Yours as ever,” but thought that might sound ironic or sneering, and at last wrote only “Yours &c.,” as his father always had, which then seemed ambiguous and cool; what the hell anyway; and he signed it: Evan S. Barnable. It's Harold Bloom-approved, so don't worry about losing your adult credentials. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jul 9, 2016 |
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Corrode posted:"Worldbuilding" and "interesting magic system" are the two things I read most commonly from people praising whatever breezeblock fantasy epic is hot this month. I don't even know what the second one is meant to mean; it's a book not an MMO. In any case, almost always the protagonist is Special because they break the mechanics, at which point it's standard power fantasies being played out. The one fantasy author I really enjoy is Steven Brust, who uses a lot of the fantasy tropes (like "calling a rabbit a smreep" or whatever, which he is super super guilty of.) He has an elaborate "magic system," but he uses it in service of the narrative in a way that I think most fantasy authors wish they could. In his world there are two(ish) schools of magic, sorcery and witchcraft. Sorcery is available to everyone who lives in this particular region and powers everything from day to day things like lighting and personal security to lobbing fireballs at some rear end in a top hat that is attacking you. Witchcraft is generally seen as vulgar, time intensive and is associated specifically with a reviled group of people, so in the scope of the story it has personal identity associations for the main character as well as being an excuse to counterbalance the practical sorcery with the mystical witchery, since there are some things sorcery can't do or that witchcraft is better suited for. It works pretty well in that context, in my opinion, and I generally hate fantasy novels. He works what basically amounts to a video game class system into his world in a way that feels natural. It helps too that Brust is good at writing dialog and giving his main character an entertaining inner monologue. This post in no way constitutes a recommendation that anyone read a fantasy novel. Consult your doctor prior to use.
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Heath posted:The one fantasy author I really enjoy is Steven Brust, who uses a lot of the fantasy tropes (like "calling a rabbit a smreep" or whatever, which he is super super guilty of.) He has an elaborate "magic system," but he uses it in service of the narrative in a way that I think most fantasy authors wish they could. In his world there are two(ish) schools of magic, sorcery and witchcraft. Sorcery is available to everyone who lives in this particular region and powers everything from day to day things like lighting and personal security to lobbing fireballs at some rear end in a top hat that is attacking you. Witchcraft is generally seen as vulgar, time intensive and is associated specifically with a reviled group of people, so in the scope of the story it has personal identity associations for the main character as well as being an excuse to counterbalance the practical sorcery with the mystical witchery, since there are some things sorcery can't do or that witchcraft is better suited for. It works pretty well in that context, in my opinion, and I generally hate fantasy novels. He works what basically amounts to a video game class system into his world in a way that feels natural. It helps too that Brust is good at writing dialog and giving his main character an entertaining inner monologue. jesus christ smh
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Heath posted:The one fantasy author I really enjoy is Steven Brust, who uses a lot of the fantasy tropes (like "calling a rabbit a smreep" or whatever, which he is super super guilty of.) He has an elaborate "magic system," but he uses it in service of the narrative in a way that I think most fantasy authors wish they could. In his world there are two(ish) schools of magic, sorcery and witchcraft. Sorcery is available to everyone who lives in this particular region and powers everything from day to day things like lighting and personal security to lobbing fireballs at some rear end in a top hat that is attacking you. Witchcraft is generally seen as vulgar, time intensive and is associated specifically with a reviled group of people, so in the scope of the story it has personal identity associations for the main character as well as being an excuse to counterbalance the practical sorcery with the mystical witchery, since there are some things sorcery can't do or that witchcraft is better suited for. It works pretty well in that context, in my opinion, and I generally hate fantasy novels. He works what basically amounts to a video game class system into his world in a way that feels natural. It helps too that Brust is good at writing dialog and giving his main character an entertaining inner monologue. Qo back to tvtropes
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Sorry I offended your tiny baby brain by responding to a post
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yo so I also ordered "Aquarium" when one of you mentioned it was on sale for $5 and I really dug the prose style but there were several things about the story that bugged me and I think the 3.5 star rating on Amazon is deserved. Sorry Vann-wagon. then again i finished it like a week ago and I'm still thinking about it so that counts for something
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Tim Burns Effect posted:yo so I also ordered "Aquarium" when one of you mentioned it was on sale for $5 and I really dug the prose style but there were several things about the story that bugged me and I think the 3.5 star rating on Amazon is deserved. Sorry Vann-wagon. What bugged you?
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Jul 10, 2016 00:03
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Finally think I get Confederacy. It's sending up liberal progressives! Ignatius reminds me of these two https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY1H1rZL53I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilCmywMin8I You're right, very funny!
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the_homemaster posted:Finally think I get Confederacy. It's sending up liberal progressives! Hey guys look at me I am trolling Look at how I troll guys I bet all of you want to respond to me trolling lol
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I'm serious, that's exactly what it reminds me of. Lampooning intellectualism is too obvious, and reading between the lines it's quite clear he is satirising progressiveness.
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Heath posted:The one fantasy author I really enjoy is Steven Brust, who uses a lot of the fantasy tropes (like "calling a rabbit a smreep" or whatever, which he is super super guilty of.) He has an elaborate "magic system," but he uses it in service of the narrative in a way that I think most fantasy authors wish they could. In his world there are two(ish) schools of magic, sorcery and witchcraft. Sorcery is available to everyone who lives in this particular region and powers everything from day to day things like lighting and personal security to lobbing fireballs at some rear end in a top hat that is attacking you. Witchcraft is generally seen as vulgar, time intensive and is associated specifically with a reviled group of people, so in the scope of the story it has personal identity associations for the main character as well as being an excuse to counterbalance the practical sorcery with the mystical witchery, since there are some things sorcery can't do or that witchcraft is better suited for. It works pretty well in that context, in my opinion, and I generally hate fantasy novels. He works what basically amounts to a video game class system into his world in a way that feels natural. It helps too that Brust is good at writing dialog and giving his main character an entertaining inner monologue. this sounds like stupid crap my friend
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What's the consensus on Flaubert's overall bibliography? I'm wondering where to go after finishing Madame Bovary.
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Tim Burns Effect posted:I think the 3.5 star rating on Amazon is deserved. Sorry Vann-wagon. That's a good rating.
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My son, Tuggy, is dead
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Heath posted:The one fantasy author I really enjoy is Steven Brust, who uses a lot of the fantasy tropes (like "calling a rabbit a smreep" or whatever, which he is super super guilty of.) He has an elaborate "magic system," but he uses it in service of the narrative in a way that I think most fantasy authors wish they could. In his world there are two(ish) schools of magic, sorcery and witchcraft. Sorcery is available to everyone who lives in this particular region and powers everything from day to day things like lighting and personal security to lobbing fireballs at some rear end in a top hat that is attacking you. Witchcraft is generally seen as vulgar, time intensive and is associated specifically with a reviled group of people, so in the scope of the story it has personal identity associations for the main character as well as being an excuse to counterbalance the practical sorcery with the mystical witchery, since there are some things sorcery can't do or that witchcraft is better suited for. It works pretty well in that context, in my opinion, and I generally hate fantasy novels. He works what basically amounts to a video game class system into his world in a way that feels natural. It helps too that Brust is good at writing dialog and giving his main character an entertaining inner monologue. You realize that like the entire point of his books is that they're Dashiel Hammond fanfic in a fantasy world, right? They're hardboiled detective fiction that goes overboard on the fantasy stuff so that he has things to hang the hardboiled detective fiction on. Then secondarily it's a bunch of social commentary on what being an assimilated immigrant kid who will never entirely fit in but only sometimes is capable of acknowledging that and doesn't have anything in common with more recent immigrants lower down on the assimilation chain is like, which makes sense given Brust's actual background and how politicized he is, and then finally just an excuse for him to play around with the structure of the books a little bit because he got bored pretty quickly with writing noir-detective-in-fantasy-world straight. Then there are the Dumas pastiches set in the same world that he couldn't have done without all the previous worldbuilding, which do in fact start out fantastic. Your wall of text is not really doing the guy's books any favors.
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Jesus Christ, I wrote one paragraph about a magic system in a fantasy series I read and enjoyed as a teenager. I know you all are really loving bitter that this forum wallows in junk food lit, but do you ever stop and think that this might be why?
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the_homemaster posted:I'm serious, that's exactly what it reminds me of. Lampooning intellectualism is too obvious, and reading between the lines it's quite clear he is satirising progressiveness. This is literally Ignatius. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Q1jZ-LOT0 i.e. a cringe fest.
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