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Lurdiak posted:Zero's look in the original SNES X games is the coolest thing my kid self ever saw. Your kid self, like everyone's kid self, was actually kind of an idiot. I say this as someone who grew up thinking Zero was the coolest, second only to Gyro Man. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Jul 10, 2016 |
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:You're kid self, like everyone's kid self, was actually kind of an idiot. I say this as someone who grew up thinking Zero was coolest second only to Gyro Man. Look man, thinking MMZ Zero looks stupid isn't a controversial opinion.
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Jul 10, 2016 09:16
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do you really just not like his design because the character designer did his own thing with it
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Jul 10, 2016 09:19
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Lurdiak posted:Look man, thinking MMZ Zero looks stupid isn't a controversial opinion.
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Jul 10, 2016 09:21
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The Colonel posted:do you really just not like his design because the character designer did his own thing with it
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Jul 10, 2016 09:31
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Simply Simon posted:How do you feel about Inafune getting to do his own thing with MN9's design? Some of the MN designs are really great, especially in concept art. Most didn't transition well to the sub-PS2 3D modelling and animation, but the designs are kind of solid for the most part. Except Gunlord McShooter who makes Charge Man look like a miracle of design.
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Jul 10, 2016 09:34
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Simply Simon posted:How do you feel about Inafune getting to do his own thing with MN9's design? Mega man is dead forever and inafune killed it (after the series ran itself into the ground across every sub series it ever split into withe the best selling games literally being the ones designed to be the next yugioh ripoff)
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Jul 10, 2016 09:36
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...are you talking about BN when you say that? Because just so we're clear here, BN owns
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Jul 10, 2016 09:51
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im not sure what bn and yugioh have in common i mean yugioh didn't invent cards and even if it did bn has actual action/reaction based combat
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Jul 10, 2016 13:42
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if "ran into the ground" means making games as fun as BN, maybe more game series ought to be "ran into the ground"
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Jul 10, 2016 13:49
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The Colonel posted:do you really just not like his design because the character designer did his own thing with it I don't like his design because it's bad and looks nothing like the character it's supposed to be, yes.
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Jul 10, 2016 13:52
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Playthrough of Shitpost Man's stage. Also according to the video description, the three hit kudos buffer is just for the demo version (though it's featured in all trailer footage so far so I dunno). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAfGca9RvA
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Jul 10, 2016 22:37
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That's totally Flash Man's theme playing during the level. 100%
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Jul 10, 2016 23:17
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I will also chime in to say that I hate Zero's design in the Z series. It's a subjective opinion, of course, but to me he looks like he's fifteen in a bad anime. His design is odd, doesn't evoke his previous silhouette well, and is also consistently said to be identical to his original. The original MMX design looks like he was armored and taller than X, and clearly adult. The MMZ design is redone in a way that makes him look younger, smaller, and weaker. I just don't like it, and it's completely fine if someone else does and takes different things from it, but both opinions are valid.
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Jul 11, 2016 00:57
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megaman is a bad anime
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Jul 11, 2016 00:59
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Endorph posted:im not sure what bn and yugioh have in common Battle Network is more based off Monster Trainer stuff than CCG stuff anyway. Basically every plot point and character beat is pure Monster Trainer. It's more akin to the "one person with one partner" stuff like Digimon than "collect 'em all" like Pokemon though. Kurui Reiten posted:I will also chime in to say that I hate Zero's design in the Z series. It's a subjective opinion, of course, but to me he looks like he's fifteen in a bad anime. His design is odd, doesn't evoke his previous silhouette well, and is also consistently said to be identical to his original. MMZ's design is supposed to look smaller and weaker. He's supposed to look like he's been wrecked and sitting damaged in a random basement for hundreds of years and is now weaker and more vulnerable than ever before. The fact that the Omega Zero fight doesn't use his original design is sad because that really emphasizes that.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:00
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Endorph posted:megaman is a bad anime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS46EDfbD3o
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Jul 11, 2016 01:05
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ImpAtom posted:MMZ's design is supposed to look smaller and weaker. He's supposed to look like he's been wrecked and sitting damaged in a random basement for hundreds of years and is now weaker and more vulnerable than ever before. Bullshit. They just wanted to give him a new, worse look. At no point does anyone say "You look really different from the historical records" or show a flashback where he looks more like he did in the X games.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:07
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"I just wanted to give Zero a new, worse look" -Keiji Inafune
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Jul 11, 2016 01:08
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Lurdiak posted:Bullshit. They just wanted to give him a new, worse look. toru nakayama, designing characters for mega man zero: "finally my plan has come to fruition... i have been hired to draw the characters for the new mega man game... now, as part of my conspiracy plot with keiji inafune, we can finally give zero a bad design!!! a design that lurdiak will hate!!!"
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Jul 11, 2016 01:10
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Lurdiak posted:Bullshit. They just wanted to give him a new, worse look. At no point does anyone say "You look really different from the historical records" or show a flashback where he looks more like he did in the X games. You can do design changes without having in-universe reasons for them that still have actual reasons beyond them besides hating you specifically, Lurdiak.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:11
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I think it's neat that the bots gain more humanlike proportions over time.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:11
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Yeah I don't really think the design being different is supposed to represent anything in the story. It's not like sitting around for years would change you in that way anyhow, that doesn't really make sense that said the MMZ look is better than the MMX look
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Jul 11, 2016 01:12
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yeah, it's cool, especially in the context of pretty much everything slowly leading up to legends. it sort of shows a huge part of how the world progressed to that point in legends, where reploids and human beings have pretty much become one and the same. you can already see things reaching that point in zx
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Jul 11, 2016 01:13
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To be pedantic: e: And if you need an in-universe explanation, Zero probably got refitted to look like that prior to being put to sleep; they'd already been slimmed down for X8. Motto fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Jul 11, 2016 01:14
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You guys are really misinterpretating ImpAtom. He's saying that it's a reason from a design perspective, not an in-universe one. A character's design is meant to evoke certain feelings. Zero looking slimmer, younger, and weaker in the GBA games A) distinguishes the games from the PSX ones B) allows you to take this zero as a 'new' character on his own terms C) gets across the gameplay differences D) explains why zero isn't as much of a cheatcode as he was in the PSX ones
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Jul 11, 2016 01:16
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zero is not a cheatcode, not against web spider though that's probably just because i have an awkward time adjusting to how he controls in x4 after zero
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Jul 11, 2016 01:18
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 ask me about my weird green glass titties and huge feet (also I never really liked the amount of white+red they used for him, not a fan of the color choice)
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Jul 11, 2016 01:19
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Endorph posted:You guys are really misinterpretating ImpAtom. He's saying that it's a reason from a design perspective, not an in-universe one. A character's design is meant to evoke certain feelings. Zero looking slimmer, younger, and weaker in the GBA games Yeah, that's a more coherent explanation than the one I gave, thank you
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Jul 11, 2016 01:20
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I like the enemy robot design in the Zero games a lot and I also enjoy that they have dumbass names like Kuwagust Anchortus, brother of Herculious.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:20
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im sad well never get another mainseries mega man game
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Jul 11, 2016 01:23
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Motto posted:I think it's neat that the bots gain more humanlike proportions over time. This but also MMZ's playstyle probalby wouldn't work as well with the old, bulky limbs/chest/helmets. It's the same thing that makes them look more robotic, like they're made out of big robot parts instead of wearing armor and boots. I like the Zero/ZX character designs, but Omega should have looked like old Zero.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:24
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i wonder if capcom wouldn't let omega look like old zero, like how they wouldn't let actual x be the bad guy. it's the only explanation i can think of for why omega doesn't look like him.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:27
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I just want to see the cartoon tie-in game already.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:28
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Kurui Reiten posted:I will also chime in to say that I hate Zero's design in the Z series. It's a subjective opinion, of course, but to me he looks like he's fifteen in a bad anime. You've just described every design of Zero. Lurdiak posted:Bullshit. They just wanted to give him a new, worse look. At no point does anyone say "You look really different from the historical records" or show a flashback where he looks more like he did in the X games. According to the continuity of the series, Zero looks the same as before. But from our view point, separated from the fiction of the games, Zero looks smaller and weaker.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:35
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Caphi posted:I like the Zero/ZX character designs, but Omega should have looked like old Zero. I remember being told the original Zero graphic is actually present in the Zero 3 sprite data. I don't know if that's true (The Cutting Room Floor doesn't mention it) but it'd have been cool. It really was a missed opportunity.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:41
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Schwarzwald posted:You've just described every design of Zero. MMX Zero clearly looked like an 18 year old from a bad anime.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:41
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Yeah, they just pulled an Endless Waltz and said "As far as this series is concerned, this is how they've always looked". Same character just through a different filter, you could say. So the X we see in Z2 is the same X we've played, and so on and so forth. For my personal record though, I like all the designs. X, Zero, ZX, Legends, Battle Network (Okay maybe not BN Zero but even I have to draw a line somewhere), whatever.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:44
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I think Copy X and scientist X look fine, for the record. It's not a matter of hating the art style (although it's weird how everyone is super skinny). I just really don't think Zero himself looks good.
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:Okay maybe not BN Zero 
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