Scruffpuff posted:

We've called out a few positive moves from CIG during those excessively rare events. G0RF in particular is generous and takes pains to point out when CIG makes a good PR move with the videos they share. Usually it's related to the people they choose to broadcast, the material they choose to cover, etc.

Not everything CIG does is wrong. Just the overwhelming majority of what they choose to show, which is nothing more than a side-effect of having your failed actress unqualified idiot wife as VP of marketing. If CIG wanted to shut down our source of amusement almost overnight, they could hire someone competent for that role. We'd suffer humor starvation pretty loving quickly (at least until the collapse). The fact that Chris Roberts can't or won't do that is central to the mishandling of the entire enterprise.

Imagine what he could have accomplished. Dont' forget that many of us, myself included, backed. I'm not happy with what happened with CIG. But it is what it is.

Scruffpuff posted:

Bingo. That's really all this is. Lazrin and others like him try to play the "anonymous sources are worthless" card but that's not what that means. As long as the publication knows who these people are, that covers it. The reader has no inherent right to know. If Lazrin knew who the anonymous sources were, he'd be raping them in alleys and gunning down their children in broad daylight, because that's what a cult does. He calls for "proof" in a bid to appear that he's open to reason, but what he really wants is a list of targets.

Scruffpuff posted:

Bingo. That's really all this is. Lazrin and others like him try to play the "anonymous sources are worthless" card but that's not what that means. As long as the publication knows who these people are, that covers it. The reader has no inherent right to know. If Lazrin knew who the anonymous sources were, he'd be raping them in alleys and gunning down their children in broad daylight, because that's what a cult does. He calls for "proof" in a bid to appear that he's open to reason, but what he really wants is a list of targets.

Scruffpuff posted:

He calls for "proof" in a bid to appear that he's open to reason, but what he really wants is a list of targets.

Hav posted:

There's a darker side to someone coming up with that Stimpire poo poo, then publishing it where other people can see. it's a presumption of normalized deviance.

Streetroller posted:

Lazrin posted:

if you take an objective look at this thread, that's exactly what goons and your leader do.

everything positive is dismissed out of hand with a pre-fab retort.

Colostomy Bag posted:

Hooper: You were at the Austin studio?

Smart: What happened?

Quint: UK studio slammed two late code changes into our side, Chief. We was comin' back from a 24hr crunch session... just delivered 2.4. Persistent Shopping. One hundred men went back into the studio. Servers went down in 12 minutes. Didn't see the first shark for about a half an hour. Sandi. Fifty-eighter. You know... you know that when you're in the studio, chief? You tell by lookin' for wrinkles from the head to the feet. Well, we didn't know... 'cause our patch mission had been so secret, no tweet had been sent, huh. They didn't even list the patch overdue for a month. Very first light, chief. The shark came cruisin'. So we formed ourselves into tight groups. You know it's... kinda like 'ol squares in battle like uh, you see on a calendar, like the Battle of Waterloo. And the idea was, the shark goes to the nearest man and then he'd start poundin' and hollerin' and screamin' and sometimes the shark would go away. Sometimes she wouldn't go away. Sometimes that shark, she looks right into you. Right into your eyes. You know the thing about a shark, she's got... lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When she comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'. Until she fires ya and those black eyes roll over white. And then, ah... then you hear that terrible high pitch screamin' and the air turns black with pubes and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin' she'll come in and rip you to pieces. Y'know by the end of that first dawn, lost ten men! I don't know how many bugs there were... maybe a thousand! I don't know how many men, she averaged two an hour. On Thursday mornin' chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Ben Lesnick from Santa Monica. Developer, Director of Ships. I thought he was asleep, reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up and down on the couch, just like a kinda top. Up ended him into a scooter. Well... he'd just bitten a Twinkie in half. At noon on the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a lawyer saw us, he swung in low and he saw us. He was a sleazy lawyer, a lot sleazier than Mr. Hooper... anyway he saw us and come in low. And three hours later severance offers comes down and they start to pack us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin' for my turn. I'll never sign another NDA again. So, one hundred men went in the studio, fifty men come out, the shark took the rest, May the 29th 2016. Anyway, we delivered the patch.

Streetroller posted:

Ok, so after a while of dealing with Cloud Imperium Games...

Jason Sextro posted:

The mere fact that he claims to just want to see some positivity from us, when he originally came charging into the thread specifically to hurl feces at G0RF shows he's either really stupid or just trolling. G0RF is the only consistently positive one out of the seriousposters.

None of his rambling deserves any serious consideration. In conclusion:

Streetroller posted:

Ok, so after a while of dealing with Cloud Imperium Games, I have finally received a refund of $3000 USD.

After the terms of service change, I contacted CIG and requested a full refund.
Here's a full transcript with personal identifying information removed.







Essentially, a full denial.
I did exactly what I said I would, and ended up recovering $900 dollars through Amazon payments.


On June 29th, I received three official responses, pretty much identical in spirit, though the one I received from the District Attorney of Los Angeles was signed by Ortwin personally.





Two days later, I received Paypal responses about my inquiry of a refund. I received the following response on all my claims:


Then, on July 11th, I was contacted by an LA County Investigator inquiring information about CIG and RSI.
We had about an hour long conversation, where I detailed everything about CIG and how I felt it was a scam (my opinion)
He told me to get as many people as I can to write complaints into them, so they can build a case.
Here: http://dcba.lacounty.gov/wps/portal/dca
For clarity, I'M DEREKS SOURCE FOR THAT

Less than 24 hours later, I received the additional balance of what I was unable to recover.


I plan to record an upload a video to Youtube detailing my journey, but I promised to update the thread for you guys, so here you are.

Beet Wagon posted:

I don't want to take away from Streetroller's important update, but

Lazrin posted:

interesting choice, with career suicide by joining and posting in this forum

unfortunately all anonymous sources have to be summarily dismissed

Lazrin posted:

i don't want to see positivity. i want to see objectivity.

but you've proven you can't do it. take a look at the last 10-20 posts i've made, and the responses.

Streetroller posted:

ManofManyAliases posted:

Oh for gently caress's sake. Ok, whatever man.

Lazrin posted:

i don't want to see positivity. i want to see objectivity.

but you've proven you can't do it. take a look at the last 10-20 posts i've made, and the responses.

Scruffpuff posted:

I thought the exact same thing - it's a relief to see someone else comment on it. It was a bit disconcerting to say the least, however funny.

Lazrin posted:

i don't want to see positivity. i want to see objectivity.

but you've proven you can't do it. take a look at the last 10-20 posts i've made, and the responses.

Lazrin posted:

i don't want to see positivity. i want to see objectivity.

but you've proven you can't do it. take a look at the last 10-20 posts i've made, and the responses.

Nation posted:

conclusion: slime, it's a scam.