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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Kanos posted:

The anime pretty much covered everything in the manga related to Claudia. She's incredibly out of her depth, she cracks under pressure, gets slapped by Io, flees to her room to get super high on space drugs, finally decides "hey maybe I should try being a commander", then gets killed by a bitter subordinate when poo poo hits the fan. That's it. Her arc is pretty horrid and utterly pointless, and not even in a "we're trying to show how pointless war is" way, she just doesn't even need to exist as a character. You can make justifications for why she is the way she is, but it doesn't change the fact that she doesn't actually add anything to the show besides another female character to put on the BD art.

I think Karla is far better, even though I'm still not particularly fond of her. Her internal conflict(I was inspired by my disabled dad to become a prosthetics specialist but now I'm being blackmailed into using my specialization for a war I hate) is relatively okay and the sheer ironic agony she has to go through by deliberately dismembering someone she would ordinarily be trying to restore functionality to is pretty poignant and relevant to the show/manga arc's "Wow, war is really pointless, stupid, and wasteful" message. Unlike Claudia, her continued presence is actually somewhat important both as the developer/gatekeeper to the Psycho Zaku and an active inspiration to Darryl, whereas Io doesn't really care about or remember Claudia in the slightest during his final clash and Claudia has no function in the plot.

Claudia does have a function. It's just that her story is stretched out over multiple arcs, so we see the setup in the anime and not the payoff. This is one of the issues with just adapting the battle of the Thunderbolt Sector - it's really the prologue of the story proper, which is primarily geared at dealing with its fallout.

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Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
I'm confused how someone can exist, post in the Gundam thread and never have heard of VOTOMS. :v:

Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Jul 20, 2016

Ka0
Sep 16, 2002

:siren: :siren: :siren:
AS A PROUD GAMERGATER THE ONLY THING I HATE MORE THAN WOMEN ARE GAYS AND TRANS PEOPLE
:siren: :siren: :siren:
Are we doing confessions, I nothing nothing of the Brave series of robots, nor do I care about.

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
Here's mine:

95% of everything I know about mecha anime (Gundam included) comes from SRW.

TaurusOxford
Feb 10, 2009

Dad of the Year 2021

Ka0 posted:

Are we doing confessions, I know nothing of the Brave series of robots, nor do I care about.

GaoGaiGar is the coolest - that's all you really need to know.

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
I watched the first episode of the Brave series (Brave Exkaiser?) and have every intention of watching the rest, in part due to it's shared DNA with Transformers. VOTOMS and Macross are very much on my radar too.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I've been wondering how one would go about adapting Gundam to live action without it coming off too hokey. So far, I've decided that you would have to cast the Zabis as an Italian crime family.

Kuvo
Oct 27, 2008

Blame it on the misfortune of your bark!
Fun Shoe

Arcsquad12 posted:

I've been wondering how one would go about adapting Gundam to live action without it coming off too hokey.

step one would probably be not letting it be made in canada

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Kuvo posted:

step one would probably be not letting it be made in canada

Except to visit Amuro's mom in British Columbia.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Kuvo posted:

step one would probably be not letting it be made in canada

How are you going to do location shoots in the Arbrau capital, then?

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Arcsquad12 posted:

I've been wondering how one would go about adapting Gundam to live action without it coming off too hokey. So far, I've decided that you would have to cast the Zabis as an Italian crime family.

I think you could do the original series as a trilogy of big budget Hollywood movies. Especially with the success of Transformers as a way to convince producers/audiences to give it a chance.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Arcsquad12 posted:

Except to visit Amuro's mom in British Columbia.

She's Mexican, now, which is cool.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Lemon-Lime posted:

She's Mexican, now, which is cool.

Is that the Origin version? Any version of Amuro's mom lives somewhere on the Pacific Coast. I prefer the BC connection because of the Ocean Group dubbing the tv series.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Arcsquad12 posted:

Is that the Origin version? Any version of Amuro's mom lives somewhere on the Pacific Coast. I prefer the BC connection because of the Ocean Group dubbing the tv series.

Yeah, that's what they did in the Origin. The actual rationale is "it makes sense for them to detour through Mexico on their way from California to Jaburo (unlike detouring through Canada)" but it has the added benefit of making Amuro Latino.

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

Lemon-Lime posted:

She's Mexican, now, which is cool.

I know I should be happy about having increased diversity at what not, but man, as a Canadian, it sucks to lose the most highly skilled gundam pilot.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

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Lemon-Lime posted:

Yeah, that's what they did in the Origin. The actual rationale is "it makes sense for them to detour through Mexico on their way from California to Jaburo (unlike detouring through Canada)" but it has the added benefit of making Amuro Latino.

Well it sort of makes sense in the original TV series because North America was under Zeon occupation, so they land near the east coast and go northwest to skirt around the majority of the enemy forces. And then cross the Pacific, win the tide turning battle in Ukraine, fly across Europe to Dublin, and THEN go to Jaburo. So on their weird roundabout trip, having Amuro's mom be further north works. But in Origin they just make a beeline straight for Jaburo, right?

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
Does The Origin explain why Char doesn't wear a normal suit whilst piloting at all?

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

I've always felt it's the sort of thing that doesn't need a specific explanation. Char is just that cocky.

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

Srice posted:

I've always felt it's the sort of thing that doesn't need a specific explanation. Char is just that cocky.

I may be mistaken but I think Char has a line in which he basically goes " I don't go into battle with the intent to leave the suit behind" :smug: or something along those lines.

Char not wearing a normal suit just shows that he's arrogant. It's noticeable that he starts wearing one after lala dies, his confidence is shaken.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

BizarroAzrael posted:

Does The Origin explain why Char doesn't wear a normal suit whilst piloting at all?

Yes. It's basically arrogance. Char doesn't think he needs it. Lalah actually convinces him to wear the normal suit just before she dies which is why he is wearing one in the final battle.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Arcsquad12 posted:

Well it sort of makes sense in the original TV series because North America was under Zeon occupation, so they land near the east coast and go northwest to skirt around the majority of the enemy forces. And then cross the Pacific, win the tide turning battle in Ukraine, fly across Europe to Dublin, and THEN go to Jaburo. So on their weird roundabout trip, having Amuro's mom be further north works. But in Origin they just make a beeline straight for Jaburo, right?

Yup. They make stops, but the White Base is continually heading right for Jaburo.

Droyer
Oct 9, 2012

BizarroAzrael posted:

Does The Origin explain why Char doesn't wear a normal suit whilst piloting at all?

He is totally committed to not dying.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

Lemon-Lime posted:

She's Mexican, now, which is cool.

Unless you're Canadian :canada:

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Well, while we're on the topic, I'm nearly finished with The Origin, finally. Gonna pick up volume 12 this weekend. Surprising no-one, I like it.

But I also like how Job John is used throughout. He's not a crazy newtype badass like Amuro or Sayla, or as cool as Kai, but he's a solidly competent feddie pilot who manages to, through equal parts skill and luck, survive longer than any of the other regulars.

Any other ship, Job would be The Man. He's the loving new meat draftee, kid barely old enough to shave when General Revil called him up, and he outscores all the vets.

And on the White Base, he just fades into the background.

Caros
May 14, 2008

TheKingofSprings posted:

Unless you're Canadian :canada:

I am a Canadian with parents who live in Mexico. We call them snowbirds.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

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Caros posted:

I am a Canadian with parents who live in Mexico. We call them snowbirds.

There must have been an ecological disaster in the Universal Century that wiped out all the Canada Geese. Those could have fed the colonies for centuries.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Unicorn episode 5. This one was really good right up to the last five minutes. Once the Unicorn turned into a magic green space popsicle, things just got lazy. That last fight between the Sinanju and the General Revil was nothing compared to the great hand to hand battle between the Banshee and the Unicorn. It felt like the ending battle was tacked on to make Full Frontal look threatening and Char-like by having him take down a battleship, but slaughtering all those mobile suits in quick succession felt more like a copout. Disappointing end to an otherwise solid episode.

This show took years to finish, right? When exactly does the production delay happen, and is there a noticeable impact on the story? I started off pretty critical of the show's shortcomings, but episodes 4 and 5 have shown me there is some merit here.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Arcsquad12 posted:

This show took years to finish, right? When exactly does the production delay happen, and is there a noticeable impact on the story? I started off pretty critical of the show's shortcomings, but episodes 4 and 5 have shown me there is some merit here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mobile_Suit_Gundam_Unicorn_episodes#Mobile_Suit_Gundam_Unicorn_episodes

Episode 2: 9 months.
Episode 3: 4 months.
Episode 4: 8 months.
Episode 5: 6 months.
Episode 6: 10 months.
Episode 7: 15 months.

It took slightly longer for episode 7 to come out than 1-6 but there was no really noticeable production delay, given the scale of time involved.

Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Jul 22, 2016

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Gundaminfo is gonna have the MSG movie trilogy streaming on its channel for two months starting today, so if for whatever reason you haven't seen it or you want to get someone into Gundam, now's the easiest time to do so!

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Srice posted:

Gundaminfo is gonna have the MSG movie trilogy streaming on its channel for two months starting today, so if for whatever reason you haven't seen it or you want to get someone into Gundam, now's the easiest time to do so!

That's really cool, actually, because those are pretty hard to find. I don't think there's been an English release of the Blurays yet, either?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Will the movie versions have the old English dub with Steve Blum or the toonami dub?

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

afaik the youtube version is just sub only

The movies only had that old dub, the other was for the tv series

Pewdiepie
Oct 31, 2010

I watched Thunderbolt (the 4 episode series). It was pretty good. Is it worth my time to watch Thunderbolt (the movie)?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

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Pewdiepie posted:

I watched Thunderbolt (the 4 episode series). It was pretty good. Is it worth my time to watch Thunderbolt (the movie)?

The Dub is pretty good for December Sky. The only difference is a montage at the end which is essentially a preview for season 2.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Arcsquad12 posted:

The Dub is pretty good for December Sky. The only difference is a montage at the end which is essentially a preview for season 2.

There may be little extra bits of extra footage throughout the movie, as well. December Sky is the definitive version of Thunderbolt. There's no reason to watch the original shorts now it's out.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

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Darth Walrus posted:

There may be little extra bits of extra footage throughout the movie, as well. December Sky is the definitive version of Thunderbolt. There's no reason to watch the original shorts now it's out.

There's no extra stuff apart from the ending montage. I watched both versions close enough together to notice. I do think the original shorts are better because I feel like the extended ending is little more than a preview, while the original ending is a pretty ominous cliffhanger.

OZC
Jan 28, 2008

Lemon-Lime posted:

That's really cool, actually, because those are pretty hard to find. I don't think there's been an English release of the Blurays yet, either?

Nope, and according to RightStuf, Sunrise opted not to release BDs overseas because they didn't think they'd sell (same with the Zeta trilogy). So the new DVDs use the HD transfer made for the Japanese BDs, but obviously at SD resolution. They're also sub-only per Sunrise because the old dub is not looked at favorably.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



The Most (And Least) Relatable Gundam Heroes

Dunno why Heero is there but not Setsuna.

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Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
I find none of these boys relatable, except for Kamille.

Where is Kai, I am an rear end in a top hat who doesn't know how to stop making jokes.

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