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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Seriously, did anyone else think that Manfred was a vampire the first time they saw him?  Mankind ill needs a litigator such as you! What is a man? A miserable little pile of prosecutable infractions.
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Jul 20, 2016 19:03
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Added Space posted:Also, why does the Australian tax minster need reality warping powers? IANAL, but I'd suspect that it has to do with cutting deals in cases of tax evasion or stuff like that.
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Jul 20, 2016 19:15
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Vote for von Karma: Make Cravats Great Again Seriously though, what is up with the cravat/collar combo?
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Jul 20, 2016 20:08
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Added Space posted:Wait, the victim was shot in the heart with a 22 caliber pistol? That's borderline accidental. A 22 barely qualifies as lethal, it could be stopped by adult male ribs, and you'd have to miss the ribs to hit the heart. With a weapon as inaccurate as a pistol that's a lucky shot. I'm sure this is influenced by guns being illegal and thus very rare in Japan.
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Jul 20, 2016 20:50
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Seriously, did anyone else think that Manfred was a vampire the first time they saw him? Actually, when paired with the voice and the dark clothing, my first thought was a Puritan minister rather than vampire. I mean, he definitely has the "Calvinist interpretation of the law" down pat and the force of will and anger to back it up... but I suppose he wouldn't have as much bling if that were the intended allusion. But on the case, except for the pistol thing that was already brought up, I got nothing yet; it does look real bad. drat it, Edgeworth, why did you pick up the drat gun!? 
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Jul 20, 2016 23:46
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Three shots from the pistol, two heard, one accounted for. That's enough of a foundation to fight back from, but Von Karma's not going to make it easy thanks to his abusing the 'Almighty Prosecutor' power that Japanifornia gives them. Don't you run roughshod over the judge you Draculawyer 
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Jul 21, 2016 02:21
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The defense in this system can't just bring up any facts that seem relevant at any time. They have to specifically contradict something that a witness said or answer a question posed by the judge. This is not a "reasonable doubt" system where the defense can prevail simply by pointing out flaws in the logic that provide an alternative explanation. They have to debunk the prosecution's story directly, no matter how many times it changes as the trial drags on.
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Jul 21, 2016 02:42
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See also: Multiple series-wide counts of "Mr. Wright, you have conclusively proved that it is physically impossible for your client to be guilty, but you failed to finger the real culprit, so it's off to the chair with them."
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Jul 21, 2016 05:59
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Not every sentence handed down is a death sentence. It's curtains, sure, but not a death sentence, even for murder. This will be supported later.
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Jul 21, 2016 06:01
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See, I mean, you say that, but the whole point of this expedited three-day trial system is that there are too many trials and too many people in prison and there's not enough room. The Japanifornian legal system is 100% indistinguishable from a PETA dog shelter.
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Jul 21, 2016 06:53
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Does Wright ever have to *Gasp* defend a guilty person? Or does he magically never have a client who did it?
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Jul 21, 2016 06:53
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Please don't literally ask for spoilers.
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Jul 21, 2016 07:09
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Just guessing, but it would probably be a pretty boring series if you never defended a guilty person. There's definitely a lot of loopiness with this gun; it might help if Edgeworth was volunteering a little more information, because right now the picture of these events is really goddamned hazy. It looks like the best Wright can do right now is to try and forestall Dracula's wrath.
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Jul 21, 2016 13:41
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Elric posted:Does Wright ever have to *Gasp* defend a guilty person? I was in AA3 and I was on trail for shoplifting some beer and then I cracked a cold one right there in court. Makes Wright really question himself.
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Jul 21, 2016 14:00
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I was in AA3.5 for the crimes of arson, murder and jaywalking. That road had it coming I tell you! I had follow the chicken across it! It was in my way!
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Case 4 - Turnabout Goodbyes Trial (Day 2) - Part 2    : Court is back in session. : Mr. von Karma, call your witness.: Yes. : Will Ms. Lotta Hart take the stand? : Lotta Hart, you are a research student at a university? : That I am.: Good. Begin by telling us what you saw the night of the incident. and don't add anything trivial or subjective.: Understand? : ... Y'all need to learn some manners. : UNDERSTAND? : Y-yeah, I understand, I understand!: Er... very well. Your testimony, please.        : Enough.: Huh?: Judge! She happened to take a photo of the incident! : W-well! This is a surprise!   : O-Order! I will remove you from the court if I do not have order immediately!: As the witness testified, she looked at the lake when she heard the shot. There were no other boats on that lake! So, the man in the boat with the victim must have been the one who shot him...  : Yes. It was the defendant, Miles Edgeworth!!!: Order! Order! Order...! I will have order!: ...   : The evidence is... decisive.: I have very little doubt about this case.: Very well, this court finds the defendant...  : W-wait! Your Honor! : I haven't cross-examined the witness yet!: A cross-examination?  : This photo is worth a thousand words... and they all read "guilty"!: You lose. Or...: Do you claim to have found a contradiction in her testimony!? : ...!: Very well. If you have to, you may cross-examine the witness. You will only flounder and ask meaningless questions!: You will fail to find anything!: And then, I will have you held in contempt of court! : Uh, Nick... contempt...? : "Contempt of court," you know?: I... guess I understand. : Well... what are you going to do?  : I... think I noticed one little thing... : Wow, I'm impressed, Nick! I didn't notice anything!: Right! Let's take him on!: Y-yeah... (I got a bad feeling about this...) : Honestly, I found nothing.: I dunno, I thought her testimony was strange. She was so vague about everything!: I bet von Karma probably fed her her lines.: But...: But if you don't cross-examine her, the judge will...: He'll bang down that "flimsy gavel" of his and declare Edgeworth guilty.: I guess we'll just have to bluff it.: But if we mess up... contempt of court.: Hey, if we lose we'll be held in public contempt!: Er... right.Convergence.  : I understand... I will cross-examine the witness!: Tsk tsk tsk... Very well!: I pray for your sake this isn't a waste of time.    : "Just after midnight," you say?: In other words, it was no longer Christmas Eve... but Christmas Day! : Huh? Uh, yeah, well, yes.: I know you want to find contradictions, but really! : Mmmph.: I hope your next contradiction is a little more relevant to the trial. Witness, continue your testimony. : Why were you camping there, anyway? : I'm a research student at my university.: I was taking pictures to use in my research. : Ms. Hart. Could you be more specific about your "research"?: What does the witness's motive in camping by the lake have to do with this case!? The answer is "nothing"! I object to this line of questioning! Objection sustained!: W-w-wait, now, I'm the one who says that!: Well, then say it already!: Objection sustained.: (Thanks for nothing, Your Honor...) : So, you weren't looking at the lake at that time?: Nope. I looked after I heard that noise.: She's said that already! I asked you to find "contradictions"!: Not leisurely chat with the witness!: (Urk...) : Could you clearly see the two men? : Just look at the picture! Clear enough for you? : Wait a second! I wasn't asking you about the photo!: I was asking if YOU saw the two men!: Uh, yeah, well, of course...: The witness has testified that she saw them! There's also a photo! You'd best look elsewhere for your precious contradictions!: (He jumped in quick... He's hiding something!) : Were you watching the very moment the shot rang out?: Well, yeah, sure...: You're asking meaningless questions! Meaningless!: "Contradictions," Mr. Wright. Not meaningless babble!: (von Karma, I think I hate you. He's trying to keep me from talking to the witness... To what end...?) : Are you sure about that?: Yeah, sure as a country gal can be! : How come you're so sure?: Well, heck, I scanned the whole lake.: ("Scanned the whole lake"? It almost sounds like she was more interested in the lake than the boat...): Ms. Hart... you--: Mr. Wright! The witness has answered the question in full.: Mmph!: No need for further questions! Objection sustained!: U-uh, that's what I'm...: Sustained!: Y-yes, of course.: (Oh great...): Enough!: I think we've heard all we need to hear, Mr. Wright. It seems you are unable to find a contradiction in the testimony worth noting.: B-but, Your Honor!: You keep your promise!: Mr. Wright. I am afraid that I will have to penalize any further outbursts...: By holding you in contempt of court!: And if that happens, you will have to leave the courtroom immediately!: Understood...?: Uh... uh huh.: Nick...! Lotta's testimony is fishy, Nick! Real fishy!: I... know what you mean. But... If I can't say anything, what can I do?: I believe we've covered the evidence sufficiently to make a decision.: Then, pass your judgment!: Very well. Mr. Miles Edgeworth, please take the stand.   : (Maya!): I-is something wrong? D-do you need to use the facilities? : No, I do not! Lotta Hart! Your testimony stinks! It's unclear whether you were actually looking at the lake! It's highly doubtful that you actually saw Mr. Edgeworth! Tell us the truth! This is a matter of life or death! : Lotta! Did you really clearly see Mr. Edgeworth that night!? Did you see him fire that pistol!?: You will stand down!: The court does not acknowledge the defense's outburst!: Answer me, Lotta!: What's the big idea, treating me like some kind of criminal!? I saw him! I swear it! I saw Edgeworth...: Enough! Judge...: Declare the defense in contempt of court!: Y-yes... yes, of course.: I'm sorry, but you WERE warned.: Guard! Escort Mr. Wright out of the courtroom! He is in contempt of court, and must leave.: (No... No...!) : I-I was the one who made the outburst, Your Honor! Nick is innocent!: Hah! What's the difference? All that remains is for the guilty verdict to be declared!  : (Dammit, he's right...): N-Nick! There must be something we can do!: I... don't think there is. The cross-examination is over already!: B-but... but didn't Lotta just say she saw him? She did, Nick! She just said that she saw Mr. Edgeworth!: She didn't say that in her testimony, did she?: ...! Y-you're right!: Your Honor!  : Wrong!: What!?Convergence. : Did you hear what Ms. Hart just said?: She said she clearly saw Mr. Edgeworth! : That was not in the testimony! That changes her testimony, and I have a right to cross-examine her again!: Order! Order! Order! Order! Order! Order!: You're in contempt of court! It's too late for wild claims! Judge! Sustain my objection! : ...: I'm sorry, Mr. von Karma, but I cannot.: What!?: Ms. Lotta Hart has made a new testimony.: The defense does have a right to cross-examine her again.: B-but he is in contempt of court!: No, I am! If you're going to arrest someone, arrest me!: Hmm...: Very well. Maya Fey! You will leave this courtroom immediately.: Nick!: I did what I could...: You have to do the rest! Good luck!: M-Maya...!: Peh! I care not for this melodrama! Listen well, Mr. Wright!: I do not tolerate badgering of my witnesses!: (I'm running out of time... I'd better find a contradiction in here or else...): Mr. Wright! Begin your cross-examination!  We can press, but that may not be the best plan. : Well, what about the other man?: You cannot expect to be allowed to blithely ignore your promise, Mr. Wright! I believe you claimed there was a contradiction in the witness's testimony! Well, find it!: If you can! : (drat...!): (That's it...? Uh oh. I don't know if I can find anything in that...): (What will Maya say...?)Can you spot it? Next time: Objection. R.S.N.S., chapter 269, section 3 (Nova Scotia) posted:Every keeper of a public eating place where margarine is served shall Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Jul 23, 2016 15:00
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Mors Rattus posted:
I'm pretty sure the first one should be Phoenix, not Maya.
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Jul 23, 2016 15:14
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Fixed.
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Jul 23, 2016 15:16
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: Declare the efense in contempt of court! Efense?
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Jul 23, 2016 15:23
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Kurui Reiten posted:: Declare the efense in contempt of court! Eclair the defense! Mmm, tasty. E: Content, they do a really good job of making you hate Von Karma very fast, in contrast to Edgeworth who mostly just gets entertainingly embarrassed (Oldbag  ).
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Jul 23, 2016 15:29
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People from Nova Scotia must really hate margarine. That law seems like it was pushed trough by the diary lobby, to make it so inconvenient that butter looks good by comparison. The contradiction is probably that she couldn't have been able to see Miles from the car in this fog. The car is even farther away from the lake than the camera and that only showed vague shadows too. Also she didn't claim to have seen anything the last time you talked to her. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Jul 23, 2016 15:37
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Mors Rattus posted:
That didn't seem like a terribly rude request. Mors Rattus posted:Next time: 
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Jul 23, 2016 16:10
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Air is lava! posted:People from Nova Scotia must really hate margarine. That law seems like it was pushed trough by the diary lobby, to make it so inconvenient that butter looks good by comparison.
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Jul 23, 2016 16:37
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I believe that they can use Margarine in Nova Scotia without any issues or signs in a public place. How would you enforce a law like that anyways?
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Jul 23, 2016 17:04
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:That didn't seem like a terribly rude request. You're obviously not a Southerner.
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Jul 23, 2016 17:11
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Doesn't Lotta's camera take pictures when it picks up loud explosions? So shouldn't there be two photos instead of one if she claims there were two shots from the boat?
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Jul 23, 2016 19:11
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IAmTheRad posted:How would you enforce a law like that anyways? Presumably, that would be done by the health inspector, the next time he's around. As I said, that law is purposely designed to be a hassle.
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Jul 23, 2016 22:05
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Mors Rattus posted:
This exchange made it into the film adaptation and it's one of the best scenes.
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Jul 23, 2016 22:26
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Ah yes, Von Karma. He knows there's weaknesses in his witness' testimony but rather than even attempt to play along with proper procedure he attempts to bulldoze through everything to get his verdict. Edgeworth might have been described as ruthless but he's nothing compared to Von Karma (as he warned.) It's great
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Jul 23, 2016 22:56
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Mors Rattus posted:
Typo here. Man, Von Karma's even more overbearing than I realized.
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Jul 23, 2016 23:00
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I don't think I played this case since I first got the game about ten years ago. Man, I forgot how far it goes to make you feel like you're hanging on by a thread the whole way through.
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Jul 23, 2016 23:31
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EponymousMrYar posted:Ah yes, Von Karma. He knows there's weaknesses in his witness' testimony but rather than even attempt to play along with proper procedure he attempts to bulldoze through everything to get his verdict. Edgeworth might have been described as ruthless but he's nothing compared to Von Karma (as he warned.) Yeah, when Phoenix is talking about Edgeworth initially, he says things like "I hear he doesn't bleed, feel emotions, or pain." or something along those lines. Von Karma is actually embodying those traits.
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Jul 24, 2016 00:08
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He's not even that good of a lawyer, he's just bulldozing the judge who isn't holding him in contempt of court for some reason.
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Jul 24, 2016 00:56
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Double Plus Undead posted:He's not even that good of a lawyer, he's just bulldozing the judge who isn't holding him in contempt of court for some reason. Anime powers. Also, I imagine it's pretty easy to look like a skilled lawyer in Japanfornia so long as you're prosecution, since most prosecution in this system seems to be the equivalent of hunting a tied down quail with a shotgun.
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Jul 24, 2016 01:37
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Being a prosecutor is basically easy mode in Japanifornia given that they basically control the police, the evidence, the judges, etc.
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Jul 24, 2016 01:39
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Being a prosecutor is basically easy mode in Japanifornia given that they basically control the police, the evidence, the judges, etc. They also get to casually ignore the law themselves as long as they're in court, judging by the accusations already thrown about as far as perjury/forging evidence as well as Von Karma's own flagrant disregard for the concept of contempt of court applying to the prosecutor's bench.
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Yeah, it's much less impressive to hear "40 years undefeated!" when you know the context is "Japanifornia has a 99% conviction rate and defence attorneys are treated as subhuman scum who have to commit multiple misdemeanours themselves just to get the evidence that they should be given freely." Honestly, I thought he would have a stronger counterplay to Phoenix's "No, let's actually have a trial" defence. If he starts fracturing as soon as his bubble is broken it'll honestly be a little disappointing (although still very satisfying, considering what the prick's done already).
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Jul 24, 2016 09:59
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Yeah, I am curious about the other one or possibly two photos. We'll see what's happened to them. ...I wonder if she held onto them for some reason.
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Speculation time again, since we're now on a case I've never seen.: I think the contradiction in her testimony is that she clearly saw Edgeworth in the boat. We can present the photo as evidence: it's a very good camera, and it couldn't see Edgeworth's face in the dark. How could she have seen Edgeworth's face? She knew later on that it had been Edgeworth and the victim in that boat, but not at the time -- but her current testimony is that she knew at the time that it was Edgeworth.
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