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It was 25k like 2 years ago so don't get too comfortable with that number either.
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# ? Jul 15, 2016 16:13 |
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It's kinda weird to think about just how low book sales are. 20k domestic is good out of a population of 320 million. dang
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# ? Jul 15, 2016 18:24 |
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site posted:It's kinda weird to think about just how low book sales are. 20k domestic is good out of a population of 320 million. dang And yet last month the comics industry had its single most lucrative month in 20 years. It's just that there's SO MANY comics that the number of people reading any one title is going to be kind of low. And of course that 20k is not counting digital or trades. It's also not "good", its just kinda the point where your head is above water and you're out of the cancellation danger zone.
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# ? Jul 15, 2016 18:29 |
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prefect posted:If the publisher is a really big fan, that can keep a comic going. Endless Mike posted:This heavily depends on the publisher, and direct sales are only a portion of the puzzle. For Marvel and DC, 15k is about the cutoff number, though books that sell well in trades or digitally might be let continue. Or might not. Thanks a lot so 15k is a goodish indicator that the comic could be safe but as with everything in the entertainment industry a publisher could cancel a successful/keep a failing comic going.
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# ? Jul 15, 2016 21:10 |
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Ultragonk posted:Thanks a lot so 15k is a goodish indicator that the comic could be safe No. That would almost certainly be a dead comic. It looks like Marvel decided to do their first ANAD cancellations in the 20ks. I think of Gotham Academy as a publisher saved comic. It's one of the only DC You era comics returning for a full new series with the same creators and that's probably not for sales. e: Doctor Fate too. It's not coming back in Rebirth, but selling sub-10k copies, it's lasted 18 issues while everything else got 12 or cancelled early. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Do they publish these sale numbers somewhere?
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# ? Jul 15, 2016 21:29 |
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Diamond does, but they're the physical distributors, so that's all you get.
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# ? Jul 15, 2016 21:31 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:No. That would almost certainly be a dead comic. It looks like Marvel decided to do their first ANAD cancellations in the 20ks. Oh what's been cancelled?
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# ? Jul 15, 2016 21:39 |
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Ultragonk posted:Oh what's been cancelled? Black Knight, Weirdworld, Red Wolf, Angela and Howling Commandos died very quickly. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Xinder posted:Do they publish these sale numbers somewhere? Diamond publishes their direct sales numbers. They're available on comichron.com. Comic Beat does a monthly analysis of the numbers comparing to previous sales that's pretty good.
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# ? Jul 15, 2016 21:43 |
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Endless Mike posted:Diamond publishes their direct sales numbers. They're available on comichron.com. Comic Beat does a monthly analysis of the numbers comparing to previous sales that's pretty good. Oh this is cool
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# ? Jul 15, 2016 23:05 |
Endless Mike posted:Diamond publishes their direct sales numbers. They're available on comichron.com. Comic Beat does a monthly analysis of the numbers comparing to previous sales that's pretty good. Technically, ICV2 makes estimates of the sales numbers based on the sales rankings Diamond releases. Pretty much every pro triple-swears that these estimates are always wrong, but they can still show general trends pretty well.
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# ? Jul 16, 2016 00:36 |
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Senior Woodchuck posted:Technically, ICV2 makes estimates of the sales numbers based on the sales rankings Diamond releases. Pretty much every pro triple-swears that these estimates are always wrong, but they can still show general trends pretty well. Most shops take issue with the ICV2 numbers because there is no system in place to account for unsold copies of books which would often times tell a much different story. Also they rarely include adjusted data from returnable books correctly.
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# ? Jul 16, 2016 00:44 |
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Rhyno posted:Most shops take issue with the ICV2 numbers because there is no system in place to account for unsold copies of books which would often times tell a much different story. Also they rarely include adjusted data from returnable books correctly. Do you know if comichron does this?
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# ? Jul 16, 2016 01:02 |
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site posted:Do you know if comichron does this? No because there's no way to get all shops to report this data. Oh and ICV2 doesn't report on occasions like when Marvel and Diamond overshipped Civil War II #1 to select accounts by 10% to artificially bump their numbers.
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# ? Jul 16, 2016 01:06 |
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Unsold copies aren't particularly relevant, though. It doesn't take but a month or two for a retailer worth their salt to cut orders on a comic that's not selling. It just isn't borne out in this month's numbers. Publishers are only concerned with what they sell to Diamond, since most of the time what they're selling is non-returnable.
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# ? Jul 16, 2016 01:13 |
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Endless Mike posted:Unsold copies aren't particularly relevant, though. It doesn't take but a month or two for a retailer worth their salt to cut orders on a comic that's not selling. It just isn't borne out in this month's numbers. Publishers are only concerned with what they sell to Diamond, since most of the time what they're selling is non-returnable. The first three months of a massive relaunch are usually very relevant to sales numbers. And while it't not normal, we're now at 6 months of solicited Rebirth books from DC that are fully returnable.
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# ? Jul 16, 2016 01:18 |
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Unsold comic books aren't returnable unlike book books right? What happens when a store gets over shipped, and like you order 50 copies of Civil War II and get 55, but only sell 48, do you eat the cost of the 2 extra books you ordered or the full 7?
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# ? Jul 16, 2016 05:46 |
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Skwirl posted:Unsold comic books aren't returnable unlike book books right? What happens when a store gets over shipped, and like you order 50 copies of Civil War II and get 55, but only sell 48, do you eat the cost of the 2 extra books you ordered or the full 7? Most comics are not returnable, DC's current full returnability is loving bonkers. Generally when they overship those copies are returnable or they later issue a credit for them so they end up being free.
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# ? Jul 16, 2016 15:26 |
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Curious what are considered good numbers on non DC and Marvel books. Like what does Client, Dark Horse and Image consider a cut off point?
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# ? Jul 18, 2016 06:23 |
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Madkal posted:Curious what are considered good numbers on non DC and Marvel books. Like what does Client, Dark Horse and Image consider a cut off point? I don't think we have solid numbers for that, but according to writer/artist combos at Image they make more off a 15K selling (creator owned) Image book than a 40K selling book at Marvel. So the cut off is somewhere lower than 15K.
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# ? Jul 18, 2016 06:28 |
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Image, as a publisher, doesn't have a cutoff like work-for-hire companies due to how their deals work. The short version is that creators pay a set cost per issue (last I heard it was $5000), which Image takes out of the sales, then they get whatever else is made. Basically it comes down to the creators to determine what they're willing to risk, and you'll see plenty of Image comics sitting well below the 15k (and even 10k) level since they sell well in trades or digitally or whatever.
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# ? Jul 18, 2016 14:01 |
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Endless Mike posted:Image, as a publisher, doesn't have a cutoff like work-for-hire companies due to how their deals work. The short version is that creators pay a set cost per issue (last I heard it was $5000), which Image takes out of the sales, then they get whatever else is made. Basically it comes down to the creators to determine what they're willing to risk, and you'll see plenty of Image comics sitting well below the 15k (and even 10k) level since they sell well in trades or digitally or whatever. And again, according to (I think) Gillen/McKelvie, they make a lot more money off a 15k selling Image book than a 30K selling Marvel book.
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# ? Jul 19, 2016 06:38 |
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Skwirl posted:And again, according to (I think) Gillen/McKelvie, they make a lot more money off a 15k selling Image book than a 30K selling Marvel book. It's basically considered a super hit. He makes it sound like 15k Indie comics is more or less equivalent to one of the 100k DC/Marvel bestsellers: http://kierongillen.tumblr.com/post/121756273497/market-maven-is-the-wicked-the-divine-in
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# ? Jul 19, 2016 12:36 |
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So I got a question about previews. I've been starting to take a peak at the weekly releases thread and there's a lot of stuff coming out that i just have no idea what it is. Are the preview you guys talk about a thing that has like a short synopsis of upcoming books or are they just like straight bulk order pricing mags with no descriptions? I'm just trying to find something faster than just going down the list one by one and googling them.
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# ? Jul 20, 2016 06:09 |
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site posted:So I got a question about previews. I've been starting to take a peak at the weekly releases thread and there's a lot of stuff coming out that i just have no idea what it is. Are the preview you guys talk about a thing that has like a short synopsis of upcoming books or are they just like straight bulk order pricing mags with no descriptions? I'm just trying to find something faster than just going down the list one by one and googling them. http://www.previewsworld.com/newreleases
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# ? Jul 20, 2016 06:12 |
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Oh look it's exactly what i need. Thank you
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# ? Jul 20, 2016 06:18 |
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re: Hal Jordan, I always liked him for the superficial reason that Gil Kane's silver age redesign of his costume is some of my favorite graphic design in all of comics.
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# ? Jul 22, 2016 19:22 |
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Silver Age Hal is fine. It's everything after he comes back from the dead that was dumb and forced and boring.
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# ? Jul 22, 2016 19:23 |
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Edit: Wrong thread.
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# ? Jul 22, 2016 19:26 |
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I was talking about this with a friend the other day, but the Green Lantern/Aliens crossover from the '90s is pretty cool. First issue is Hal, rest of the mini is Kyle cleaning up his mess.
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# ? Jul 22, 2016 19:36 |
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Just finished Avenger's Childrens Crusade and it was pretty good. I was wondering if any comics address what the avengers do with the giant stone memorial statues for their fallen roster whenever one of them gets revived. Is their just a warehouse somewhere? Another dumb question, I have not read any of Miles Morales 616 adventures yet and wondering if they address the angst of moving from a dead universe or not. I got a feeling their going to sidestep it since there's supposed to be a 8 month time skip but it's pretty screwed up thing for a 15 year old to go through. Like even though most of his supporting cast carried over and their identical there's still people like Jessica Drew (A complety different incarnation, Cloak and Dagger , Kitty Pryde (Who were aged down in the Ultimate Universe), Gwen Stacy and Aunt May (The former which probably has been dead before Miles learned how to walk). I may have gotten attached to the Ultimate U more than I should have
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# ? Jul 29, 2016 02:35 |
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I don't think Miles, or anyone else, knows he used to be in a different universe.
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# ? Jul 29, 2016 02:55 |
Sinners Sandwich posted:Just finished Avenger's Childrens Crusade and it was pretty good. This is the first time that combination of words have been posted.
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# ? Jul 29, 2016 05:08 |
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Soonmot posted:This is the first time that combination of words have been posted. It had to happen eventually.
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# ? Jul 29, 2016 05:10 |
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Soonmot posted:This is the first time that combination of words have been posted. My first Marvel comic was Avengers Dissembled and Ive read every comic leading up to Childrens Crusade over the past 8 years. It was very nostalgic
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# ? Jul 29, 2016 10:40 |
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Soonmot posted:This is the first time that combination of words have been posted. And somewhere an all powerful supervillian has had all his powers switched off.
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# ? Jul 29, 2016 11:06 |
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I haven't read Children's Crusade but Avengers Disassembled is a bad comic
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# ? Jul 29, 2016 11:31 |
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Rhyno posted:It had to happen eventually. Truly, we are but a thousand monkeys banging at a thousand keyboards for all time.
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# ? Jul 29, 2016 12:02 |
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Just finished Avenger's Childrens Crusade and it was pretty good. I was wondering if any comics address what the avengers do with the giant stone memorial statues for their fallen roster whenever one of them gets revived. Is their just a warehouse somewhere? Hank Pym came back just recently (again) and one of the first things he did was go out an destroy his statue. (uncanny avengers, I believe)
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