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I'm in the no degree no certs grouping although I guess I technically have my PCNSE6 but who cares about Palo Alto. If I could go back in time I'd definitely get my MBA tho
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The Nards Pan posted:I'm in the midst of attempting a career change into IT and am currently taking classes at my local community college, which has (as far as I can tell) pretty good labs although I'm still pretty early on in the program. I'm taking the second part of my A+ next week and trying to decide on what cert to go after next. I seem to be pretty good at linux and enjoy it, is linux+ worthwhile? Or would it be better to try to go right to RHCSA? I'm mostly interested in working in some sort of cloud/aws/gce/docker type role. Skip Linux+ and go straight to RH*.
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Jul 29, 2016 01:49
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Sheep posted:Skip Linux+ and go straight to RH*. Seconded, skip Linux+ unless you're getting it for free as part of your program. RHCSA/RHCE are the better industry certs. And I'd definitely encourage you to stick with Linux if you like it! It's very hard to find good Linux people, and companies will pay accordingly.
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Jul 29, 2016 02:06
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Sepist posted:I'm in the no degree no certs grouping although I guess I technically have my PCNSE6 but who cares about Palo Alto. If I could go back in time I'd definitely get my MBA tho edit: all other things being equal, I would hire someone with a linux+ cert over someone without it, but it's probably better to invest that effort elsewhere.
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Jul 29, 2016 03:06
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I have a BS in Aviation, minored in Physics. I'm a goddamn commerical pilot! But that life sucks, better to work IT and buy your own plane.
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Jul 29, 2016 04:39
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DigitalMocking posted:No degree, I went the military route, its opened a lot of doors in my career, more than any degree would have. ptier posted:Virginia Tech - BS Computer Engineering Docjowles posted:For what it's worth I asked this exact question like 2 years ago and my favorite serious answer was Lead System Administrator (or Engineer if you prefer). But that was when I was at the team lead level implementing directives like "we are buying a shitload of Cisco UCS. Make it work well". If you're actually architecting the whole drat thing soup to nuts, go with an Architect title. I do tend to avoid engineer as a title because I feel like that's getting co-opted a bit by that kind of upper level helpdesk slash computer janitor role. Systems Engineer, ie I fix your computer.
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Jul 29, 2016 05:14
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Inspector_666 posted:Tufts University. Harvard (extension), B.A. History. :brofist:
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Jul 29, 2016 05:32
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Sepist posted:I'm in the no degree no certs grouping although I guess I technically have my PCNSE6 but who cares about Palo Alto. If I could go back in time I'd definitely get my MBA tho
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Jul 29, 2016 05:35
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Docjowles posted:Seconded, skip Linux+ unless you're getting it for free as part of your program. RHCSA/RHCE are the better industry certs. I think it's probably harder to find for home grown mc* than Linux now but then I don't work for tiny msp companies.
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Jul 29, 2016 05:57
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Dick Trauma posted:Oh god we're all History majors aren't we? 19 credits left on mine with an emphasis on ME history. Yay history
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Jul 29, 2016 06:17
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CloFan posted:I have a BS in Aviation, minored in Physics. I'm a goddamn commerical pilot! But that life sucks, better to work IT and buy your own plane. if only you had lived with this degree in the 90s, my dad was a commercial pilot make 120K+ a year and he was smart/lucky and did early retirement for a HUGE payout shortly before september 11th (the airline industry was headed in a bad direction management wise anyway) and that caused what pilots refer to as a "Pay Shortage"
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Jul 29, 2016 06:27
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jaegerx posted:I think it's probably harder to find for home grown mc* than Linux now but then I don't work for tiny msp companies. mc*? like MCSE, etc? Sheep posted:Skip Linux+ and go straight to RH*. Docjowles posted:Seconded, skip Linux+ unless you're getting it for free as part of your program. RHCSA/RHCE are the better industry certs. Thanks for the input. Being well paid would certainly be nice, but I'm mostly just excited to do something more interesting than what I'm doing now.
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Jul 29, 2016 06:36
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The Nards Pan posted:mc*? like MCSE, etc? However, I will say that, as someone with an MCSA on his way to an MCSE, they're also borderline useless at this point. I spend so much of my time studying Hyper-V material that I would refuse to implement, and OS functions and features that no one is using. e: Okay "borderline useless" is too strong, but the point stands, there's a lot of information on these tests that I'm never going to need. Contrast with the VCAP that I'm vaguely working towards - everything I learn towards that end feels like it's making me a stronger sys admin. MC Fruit Stripe fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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Jul 29, 2016 06:48
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VMware certs are the new hot poo poo but you really need an understanding of the os. You can easily bust out all the aws certs in 2 months if you try hard.
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Jul 29, 2016 07:03
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I too have a bachelor's in drinking and women's study from Party School U. At least my degree is a bachelor's of science and somewhat technical. I've thought of going back to school for a masters but I don't think it would help me in this field unless I wanted to get into management.
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Jul 29, 2016 11:16
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:
Yea I'll take my engineering degree from my highly ranked engineering school any day over those bow-tie wearing fools. Even if the physics department was in and out of accreditation when I was there.  Edit: they are both really good and I would work for either one if I could move later in life in a heartbeat.
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Jul 29, 2016 11:30
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My undergrad degree was in a foreign language, albeit from a school with excellent foreign language and international studies programs. I'm getting a master's in systems engineering partly for the interdisciplinary content and also so I can get a PhD and go do research if and when I get bored with the whole IT thing.
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Jul 29, 2016 12:30
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Langolas posted:19 credits left on mine with an emphasis on ME history. Yay history Sup fellow history major crew  Edit: Oxford University, if we're comparing colleges. Mine was built about half a millennium before your country even existed so suck it  feedmegin fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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Jul 29, 2016 12:37
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Vulture Culture posted:It sucks that all the AACSB-accredited programs on LI are so damned expensive. I started my MBA at LIU/CW Post back around 2009 and stopped after a single class because I ran out of money after I had to redirect it all to saving for my wedding. I'm sure that $3,000/course has only gone up substantially since. Huh you're in long island too? I think that's three of us regulars to this thread now. You could probably take it online - I remember a few years ago WGU was all the rage in sh/sc
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Jul 29, 2016 13:07
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Actually went to Wright State University in Dayton (or right state, wrong university as we like to call it) and got my degree in Social Studies education with additional concentration in Sociology and Psychology. I like to think it helped me in IT, because I apparently work for, with, and around a lot of man-children. Social Studies is still pretty close to a History major, so add another one to the group for whoever's counting.
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Jul 29, 2016 13:08
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Can confirm the fortune 10 company I recently got hired for who are aggressively insourcing IT talent pooled from people with all sorts of degrees- engineering, math, CIS, MIS, CS, etc. All that mattered was STEM, high gpa and interpersonal skills.
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Jul 29, 2016 15:30
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I got my BS in Information Technology at WGU, working on an MBA with IT Management concentration at SNHU.
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Jul 29, 2016 15:34
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a cop posted:Can confirm the fortune 10 company I recently got hired for who are aggressively insourcing IT talent pooled from people with all sorts of degrees- engineering, math, CIS, MIS, CS, etc. All that mattered was STEM, high gpa and interpersonal skills. Still a dumb policy. A while back, two successive companies refused to hire me because I didn't have a STEM degree. Two more came along, didn't give a poo poo, and each offered me 40k more than the other two (both of which were already offering me less than what I was currently making). Anecdotal, yeah, but it just reinforced my opinion that good companies don't let checkboxes stop them from recruiting.
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psydude posted:Still a dumb policy. A while back, two successive companies refused to hire me because I didn't have a STEM degree. Two more came along, didn't give a poo poo, and each offered me 40k more than the other two (both of which were already offering me less than what I was currently making). Anecdotal, yeah, but it just reinforced my opinion that good companies don't let checkboxes stop them from recruiting. I don't have a degree at all, and at this point I don't think it would help me either unless I wanted to move into management; and even then I might just move into management anyways where I am at which would then allow me to get a management position at other companies.
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Jul 29, 2016 16:05
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feedmegin posted:Sup fellow history major crew CompSci/Maths from Staffordshire, a '92-era shithole. Currently working with people with degrees in physics, compsci, law, and an ex-BT engineer/taxi driver. An acquaintance who worked in the NOC at NASA got the job with a creative writing degree.
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psydude posted:Still a dumb policy. A while back, two successive companies refused to hire me because I didn't have a STEM degree. Two more came along, didn't give a poo poo, and each offered me 40k more than the other two (both of which were already offering me less than what I was currently making). Anecdotal, yeah, but it just reinforced my opinion that good companies don't let checkboxes stop them from recruiting. I should have mentioned that my example was sort of a special case, as they were specifically seeking X% new college grads as a part of their hiring strategy. The rest are experienced hires. Just meant to say that yeah, degree can definitely help.
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Semi Annual review day. 119% utilization rate for the first half of the year (THAT's why my wife has been annoyed with me  ). The up side is being named Principal Consultant :jotj: bump in pay, commission on billables retro'd back to the start of Q2. Action items: Better work life balance. Also RE: Degree talk. Hard Knocks/Military here. Lucked into a few good jobs at the start and climbed my way up. Degrees are not required, but they certainly can help make things easier.
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Jul 29, 2016 16:47
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B.S. Aeronautical and astronautical engineering from U of Illinois. M.S. electrical engineering from the Navy Postgraduate School. Do I win the degree war?
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Jul 29, 2016 16:52
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Degrees are very good and useful, especially STEM degrees. People who whine about them and say they aren't, usually don't have one.
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Jul 29, 2016 16:56
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CLAM DOWN posted:Degrees are very good and useful, people who whine about them and say they aren't, usually don't have one. Or have one in something not fully useful such as History and want to use the degree directly and give up when nothing requires a "History Degree" Even though you could get into several fields just by showing you can see things to the end and that you have a willingness to learn on the job.
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Jul 29, 2016 16:57
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CLAM DOWN posted:Degrees are very good and useful, especially STEM degrees. People who whine about them and say they aren't, usually don't have one. People who have STEM degrees generally over-inflate their worth and how useful they are.
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Degree doesn't matter except for getting in the door or if you want to go into management.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Degrees are very good and useful, especially STEM degrees. People who whine about them and say they aren't, usually don't have one. I only have an AS because of a bunch of poo poo that happened while I was at a university that led to me having to drop out. It makes me sad every time I see a classmate on LinkedIn with a programming job, especially since it's getting to the point where they are all moving into intermediate positions.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Degree doesn't matter except for getting in the door or if you want to go into management. Getting in the door was the context that began this whole conversation, but I'd say they are also very helpful from a soft skills standpoint and working with teams from design through deployment. Depending on the degree anyways...it's often night and day as far as soft skills go with the CS vs CIS people here. Makes me a lil sad since they are obviously skilled dudes but it's clear how it'll hinder them in the corporate world.
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Sepist posted:Huh you're in long island too? I think that's three of us regulars to this thread now. You could probably take it online - I remember a few years ago WGU was all the rage in sh/sc
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a cop posted:Getting in the door was the context that began this whole conversation, but I'd say they are also very helpful from a soft skills standpoint and working with teams from design through deployment. Depending on the degree anyways...it's often night and day as far as soft skills go with the CS vs CIS people here. Makes me a lil sad since they are obviously skilled dudes but it's clear how it'll hinder them in the corporate world. I mean soft skills are just another skill to pick up and if you don't have them it's just as bad as if you were poo poo at coding/networks or w/e. Just never stop learning stuff in general.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:I mean soft skills are just another skill to pick up and if you don't have them it's just as bad as if you were poo poo at coding/networks or w/e. Just never stop learning stuff in general. Yeah totally. I was just looking at it from a 'first IT job' perspective.
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I literally just found out I have a stem degree. Nobody has ever cared but I guess it's good to know.
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Bigass Moth posted:I literally just found out I have a stem degree. Nobody has ever cared but I guess it's good to know. You...forgot you had a degree? Do you have some kind of catastrophic brain injury?
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CLAM DOWN posted:You...forgot you had a degree? Do you have some kind of catastrophic brain injury? I have a CBI caused by too many stupid tickets
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