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Mr. 47
Jul 8, 2008

Well, I guess I'll just go fuck myself, then.
What's the deal with that department-store smell? Everything from Kohl's on up to the high-end places have that same smell. What the hell is that?

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Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

thathonkey posted:

i'm old enough now that i dont give a gently caress that LL Bean isn't stylish. poo poo is super high quality and owns. have an awesome leather jacket from them but one of the buttons is messed up i'm probably gonna try and get it replaced before winter.

I looked at their site and they will give you a giftcard for the full cost of what you paid. I'm thinking of sending in my sweater and getting a pair of their boots or something.

I also have a wool peacoat I got from them like 7 years ago. I bet I could exchange it for a new one, especially since I've had to get the thing repaired a bunch of times.

Vernii
Dec 7, 2006

Mr. 47 posted:

For-profit "universities." In January I got laid off from one, where I was a business analyst. This didn't come as a total surprise, as I had just help run the numbers to determine who was getting cut at the various locations, and the CEO had conducted an employee appreciation luncheon in November where he said, "I've talked to finance and I think we could back in profit next year."

Anyway, it was a scam company and they were under investigation by three federal agencies and countless state AGs offices.

One of my prior employers, The College Network, is part of the for-profit education industry. They sell online textbooks and self-testing materials for nursing students to take and qualify for equivalency exams. Where they make their money is selling everything at ridiculous prices, and disguising the fact that their payment plans are actually loans (that start at a minimum of 12% interest).

I worked in their call center for a month before getting fired back in 2010. Since then they've been investigated/sued by both New York and Indiana's Attorney General, and the Federal Trade Commission. Basically they're hosed and aren't so much circling the drain as being flushed down it.

http://www.ibj.com/articles/55079-federal-lawsuit-college-prep-company-insolvent-owes-millions

It was a pretty toxic pit of bad management and scummy practices, so good riddance. Part of our training was if someone called in about trouble making loan payments, to tell them about our referral program where they could get a whopping $200 worth of credit with us if they got 5 friends to sign up. The company newsletter also praised a heavily pregnant woman for continuing to work past the point where she could have gone on maternity leave, IIRC.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
The speed at which for-profit schools are folding is pretty surprising.The University of Phoenix's enrollment has been cut in half, and it was one of the 'better' ones.

For context having kids diddled in their football program reduced Penn State's enrollment by about .003%. Schools just don't lose that many students that quickly.

MeatwadIsGod posted:

They're also really good with wages. I think the wage floor in the entire company is like $12.50 per hour.

Cashiers top out at just under $40k a year. Although I think it takes like 14 years to reach that point. Still, it's a job you can actually work as an adult and retire from.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
I know someone who works in "enrollment" at University of Phoenix (totally not a sales job!)

She told me that when the gainful employment rule came out from the government, they cut enrollment staff by over half. They also stopped running the 3AM TV ads, and most of the online banner ads because "although about half of our enrollments came from those sources, we have known for a long time that the sort of student that comes in that way is very, very unlikely to stick through and finish the program"

Good riddance. If I were King of the USA I would abolish all of those scammy companies

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Some for-profit law school in SD is under fire for saying "99% of our graduates get placed in jobs" on their recruiting material but conveniently leaving out that the stat includes ANY job not just in the field. So, if you graduate law school and end up having to work as a server bc there's no legal work available (or no one wants to hire you bc you don't have a better degree), you still count as part of their 'graduate with a job' numbers.

Also while we're on the subject Payday Loan places are modern day legal loan sharks and I don't get how they are legal still (well, I do, bc politicians own or get money from Payday Loan places but still). Preying on people in need and slapping them with a 400-500% interest rate is just wow how do you sleep at night.

Ein cooler Typ
Nov 26, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
I liked the loan commercial with the hot Indian girl but that company got shut down for being illegal loan sharking even though it's part of their culture

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
Cash Money in Canada has a kangaroo mascot but hey...kids!

http://imgur.com/a/5xO2T

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Bonzo posted:

Cash Money in Canada has a kangaroo mascot but hey...kids!

http://imgur.com/a/5xO2T

These people charge a 599.64% interest rate.

:psyduck:

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
Toronto has thee people who have commercials played at least 10 times an hour

http://haroldjewellerybuyer.ca/
http://www.oliverjewellery.ca/
http://www.orenisbetter.com/

Bring us your jewelry, gift cards, gold, silver, no questions asked! Need money? A mortgage? no problem!

We Got Us A Bread
Jul 23, 2007

I've read a lot about how, behind the scenes, the amount of fighting that the Costco leadership has to do with it's shareholders is insane - it's nearly constant open warfare between the 'you're being stupid, the company is perfectly fine doing it this way' leadership and the 'pay employees less! Don't give them health insurance! More profits! etc.' shareholders. It helps, i'm sure, that the company founders are still actively engaged in the business, but you have to believe that the shareholders are salivating at the chance to gently caress things up once they retire/die.

It's astounding that no one else sees things like 'if we have people knowledgeable about electronic products, and makes sure that the customer knows what they're buying AND how to use it properly..then it doesn't come back, and we don't have to deal with a return' as a good thing.

naem
May 29, 2011

Martinpale posted:

I've read a lot about how, behind the scenes, the amount of fighting that the Costco leadership has to do with it's shareholders is insane - it's nearly constant open warfare between the 'you're being stupid, the company is perfectly fine doing it this way' leadership and the 'pay employees less! Don't give them health insurance! More profits! etc.' shareholders. It helps, i'm sure, that the company founders are still actively engaged in the business, but you have to believe that the shareholders are salivating at the chance to gently caress things up once they retire/die.

It's astounding that no one else sees things like 'if we have people knowledgeable about electronic products, and makes sure that the customer knows what they're buying AND how to use it properly..then it doesn't come back, and we don't have to deal with a return' as a good thing.

This is a really good metaphor for America too

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Martinpale posted:

I've read a lot about how, behind the scenes, the amount of fighting that the Costco leadership has to do with it's shareholders is insane - it's nearly constant open warfare between the 'you're being stupid, the company is perfectly fine doing it this way' leadership and the 'pay employees less! Don't give them health insurance! More profits! etc.' shareholders. It helps, i'm sure, that the company founders are still actively engaged in the business, but you have to believe that the shareholders are salivating at the chance to gently caress things up once they retire/die.

It's astounding that no one else sees things like 'if we have people knowledgeable about electronic products, and makes sure that the customer knows what they're buying AND how to use it properly..then it doesn't come back, and we don't have to deal with a return' as a good thing.

most people are retarded and that totally applies to the group called 'shareholders' regardless of what finance people like to say and how hard they get over efficient market theory

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Martinpale posted:

I've read a lot about how, behind the scenes, the amount of fighting that the Costco leadership has to do with it's shareholders is insane - it's nearly constant open warfare between the 'you're being stupid, the company is perfectly fine doing it this way' leadership and the 'pay employees less! Don't give them health insurance! More profits! etc.' shareholders. It helps, i'm sure, that the company founders are still actively engaged in the business, but you have to believe that the shareholders are salivating at the chance to gently caress things up once they retire/die.

It's astounding that no one else sees things like 'if we have people knowledgeable about electronic products, and makes sure that the customer knows what they're buying AND how to use it properly..then it doesn't come back, and we don't have to deal with a return' as a good thing.

At least the CEO tells all the various big money shareholders to pound sand when they whine about things like too much benefits.

Costco also offers education scholarship programs to help employee pay for school.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Titus Sardonicus posted:

That's a company-wide policy, there are no PA systems at Target stores so there's no music. I appreciate it when I shop there because if I have to hear that goddamn Michael Bublé song one more goddamn time, etc etc. It's interesting because I never really noticed it until I had to go to Walmart for some reason and heard whatever crap was playing over the speakers.

Michael Buble owns you fuckman

darkhand
Jan 18, 2010

This beard just won't do!
High finance seems like such a creepy world, thinking of employees as debts and liabilities. It also seems like something that could be automated by machines, wonder why they don't :ironicat:

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012

vyst posted:

Michael Buble owns you fuckman

lol what the gently caress

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
someone told me that finance kills what makes you human because you start thinking about everyone as just numbers and one day you wake up and realize you're dead inside when you see a news story about some super massive tragedy and all you're thinking about is what trade opportunities this presents

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Moridin920 posted:

someone told me that finance kills what makes you human because you start thinking about everyone as just numbers and one day you wake up and realize you're dead inside when you see a news story about some super massive tragedy and all you're thinking about is what trade opportunities this presents

It's like that scene in which Brad Pitt explains to the two hedge fund managers the human cost if their creative plan actually works and the highest rated tranches fall apart.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
This was a dated but good article on Costco. Still no mention of why they don't have aisle signs indicating the poo poo in a given aisle but that's the treasure hunt part I guess.

http://www.neatorama.com/2013/09/09/10-Most-Fascinating-Facts-About-Costco/

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




If Costco really hates their shareholders that much, would a stock buyback and going private be feasible

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

tenspott posted:

so far the only consensus seems to be the way for a business to succeed is to cater to rich WASPs first and foremost

it's really "lower to upper middle class" families irrespective of race. my costco is majority of hispanic/indian/asian families, but of course other locales will be 70% white people.

barnold
Dec 16, 2011


what do u do when yuo're born to play fps? guess there's nothing left to do but play fps. boom headshot

ThirdPartyView posted:

Still not sure how f.y.e. (Trans World Entertainment) is still in business.

the one in the mall near me just closed and i'm pissed because it had this sick multi-level design where the lower section was all DVDs and movies and the upper section was all music. Newbury Comics moved into that spot and they walled off the lower section and the cash registers sit where the stairs used to be. gently caress them

Mr. 47
Jul 8, 2008

Well, I guess I'll just go fuck myself, then.

Moridin920 posted:

someone told me that finance kills what makes you human because you start thinking about everyone as just numbers and one day you wake up and realize you're dead inside when you see a news story about some super massive tragedy and all you're thinking about is what trade opportunities this presents

Are they hiring?

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

darkhand posted:

High finance seems like such a creepy world, thinking of employees as debts and liabilities. It also seems like something that could be automated by machines, wonder why they don't :ironicat:

They did. :negative:

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Moridin920 posted:

These people charge a 599.64% interest rate.

:psyduck:

There are UK ones that charge 1000%+.

Carrion Luggage
Nov 24, 2006

They put in (or attempted to? who knows anymore) new regulations for pay day loans in the states. The borrower now has to be able to prove they can reasonably pay back the loan without the requirement of opening a new one right away. Or some such poo poo

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Martinpale posted:

I've read a lot about how, behind the scenes, the amount of fighting that the Costco leadership has to do with it's shareholders is insane - it's nearly constant open warfare between the 'you're being stupid, the company is perfectly fine doing it this way' leadership and the 'pay employees less! Don't give them health insurance! More profits! etc.' shareholders. It helps, i'm sure, that the company founders are still actively engaged in the business, but you have to believe that the shareholders are salivating at the chance to gently caress things up once they retire/die.

It's astounding that no one else sees things like 'if we have people knowledgeable about electronic products, and makes sure that the customer knows what they're buying AND how to use it properly..then it doesn't come back, and we don't have to deal with a return' as a good thing.

I've heard the same thing, it's pretty incredible that shareholders might have actual proof of an investment making steady money but think "If only they did the opposite of what is apparently making this investment profitable, profits will go through the roof! :shepspends:"

Like, if only CostCo could be more like K-Mart, they could be rolling in those returns.

Marv Hushman
Jun 2, 2010

Freedom Ain't Free
:911::911::911:

Darth123123 posted:

This was a dated but good article on Costco. Still no mention of why they don't have aisle signs indicating the poo poo in a given aisle but that's the treasure hunt part I guess.

http://www.neatorama.com/2013/09/09/10-Most-Fascinating-Facts-About-Costco/

Interesting read. I hadn't thought about it, but I prefer it as is. What would the signs have to say? Here are the Kirkland dress shirts. There are only 3 patterns. They're awesome. They're going to last for years. If you don't like them, kindly gently caress off and buy a cheesecake.

Signage and product claims are probably seen as just another litigation vector for retards. Like this one:

http://fortune.com/2016/01/20/costco-slavery-lawsuit/

Because Sud was a Costco member, the retailer was able to track her purchase history. The record didn’t show that she had purchased shrimp imported from Thailand, but she had instead purchased a product imported from Vietnam and Indonesia. Because her complaint specified Thailand, the court granted Costco’s motion.

Owned.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





As I've been gearing up for some backpacking at REI some of the workers would tell me of people hanging onto gear for a decade and it being in tatters when it was returned. REI is cool but drat did people abuse that return policy.

Fasdar
Sep 1, 2001

Everybody loves dancing!
I mean for gently caress's sake the problem isn't capitalism, it's this fantasy football version of reality that venture capitalists and shareholders live in. Capitalism is great for moving money and goods around with minimal ritualism and institutionalization, and a fantastic game for encouraging novel approaches to old problems. But when you get shareholders involved it strips every shred of humanity from the system, negates truly creative impulses, and reduces everything to some min/maxed version of a once useful system.

Basically we need a new Marxism, but this time we need to focus on the basic cognitive and psychological lacunae that define shareholder driven economies. Something about the alienation of management...

naem
May 29, 2011

We just need a representative government that puts the needs of its people first to regulate that market

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012

Moridin920 posted:

someone told me that finance kills what makes you human because you start thinking about everyone as just numbers and one day you wake up and realize you're dead inside when you see a news story about some super massive tragedy and all you're thinking about is what trade opportunities this presents

i remember one time on facebook this kid i knew i college that started working at a hedge fund in the aftermath of the housing market crash and posted statuses nonstop bitching about how his job was extra hard because a bunch of deadbeats who couldnt pay their mortgages :allears:

unrelated but after the orlando shooting same person said he wasn't going to get upset about quote "a bunch of faggots getting killed" on FB.

so yeah i'd say people who work in finance are pretty broken. on the other hand i think he has a sick apt in manhattan

ColoradoCleric
Dec 26, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
So what's going to happen to big oil once the market crashes?

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

ColoradoCleric posted:

So what's going to happen to big oil once the market crashes?

Isn't oil already crashing again? I think it's back down to the low 40's.

I read an article today saying some big fracking producers can break even at $3 a barrel due to advances in technology. Which kind of fucks with the Saudi's attempt to dump oil and bankrupt everyone.

theacox
Jun 8, 2010

You can't be serious.

Krispy Kareem posted:

Isn't oil already crashing again? I think it's back down to the low 40's.

I read an article today saying some big fracking producers can break even at $3 a barrel due to advances in technology. Which kind of fucks with the Saudi's attempt to dump oil and bankrupt everyone.

Can you post a link? I find that impossible to believe.

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
Didn't at least one of the two biggest fracking companies declare bankruptcy earlier this year? There's no way 3 dollars is accurate, even 30 is pushing it.

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
I remember the good oiled days when poo poo was 100 a barrel or more

Lmao at 3$/barrel though

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Moridin920 posted:

Also while we're on the subject Payday Loan places are modern day legal loan sharks and I don't get how they are legal still (well, I do, bc politicians own or get money from Payday Loan places but still). Preying on people in need and slapping them with a 400-500% interest rate is just wow how do you sleep at night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rAYo0_GEuI

The fine print at then end: "The APR for a typical loan of $2600 is 99.95% with 42 monthly payments of $216.55." Borrow $2600 and pay back over $9000. You might be better off going to an actual loan shark since they probably have better rates.

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ColoradoCleric
Dec 26, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Cliff Racer posted:

Didn't at least one of the two biggest fracking companies declare bankruptcy earlier this year? There's no way 3 dollars is accurate, even 30 is pushing it.

In some of the articles there was a throw away quote of someone saying they could produce for $2 a barrel but another one said the north dakota region's break even is $27

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