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Neurolimal posted:The series is quite impressive in how consistently bad the lighting and editing is. More plot spoilers poo poo, I totally blanked. Joker's helicopter gets shot down and she manages to jump out on top of a building, thinking he's dead. She bumps into the rest of the team while she's on top of a car crying, then when they come through she puts on a brave face. That's just before the bar scene happens IIRC. Joker re-appears at the end and busts into the jail wearing full combat gear and goons dressed similarly with panda masks, and breaks her out. But after the point of the helicopter crash it's fairly negligible how much she adds to the story.
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I said come in! posted:These reviews have made me very worried now for Wonder Woman, and Justice League. Warner Brothers and DC need to get their poo poo together pronto. Back to back awful movies like this is not good in this genre. There seems to be plenty of quips in Justice League, don't worry.
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I could have sworn that I read somewhere that they were going with a MA+15/R rating for this. That's honestly really disappointing that they decided that it had to be available for all ages when Deadpool already showed that you can have a successful superhero film without a PG-13 rating.
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You can have a successful superhero film without a PG-13 rating if your character has been an internet meme for a decade.
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When I go to see a DC/Warners film, I am astonished when it's good. When I go to see a Marvel Studios film, I am astonished when it's bad.
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computer parts posted:The point is that box office success is not related to critical success, and that's what will determine anything about future films. I understood the simplistic point you were making, having critical bombs and divisive receptions are actually going to have a dramatic effect on future ticket sales for related movies. The first Transformers had the best reception critically, and the second movie had the best box office, despite worse reviews. Each subsequent movie after the second has done worse than the first movie if you adjust for inflation.
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Pirate Jet posted:You can have a successful superhero film without a PG-13 rating if your character has been an internet meme for a decade. They would have made mad bank on Harley Quinn alone.
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I said come in! posted:These reviews have made me very worried now for Wonder Woman, and Justice League. Warner Brothers and DC need to get their poo poo together pronto. Back to back awful movies like this is not good in this genre. Wonder Woman still looks pretty good, Justice League's trailer could be a bit better
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I never liked the look of the trailers. They seemed to be aiming for a Guardians of the Galaxy vibe but they lacked the color. Look at Captain Boomerang. In the comics he has a colorful blue costume but it seems the movie is embarrassed about that. And Enchantress ... holy christ. Only Joker and Harley Quinn look good.
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Kurzon posted:I never liked the look of the trailers. They seemed to be aiming for a Guardians of the Galaxy vibe but they lacked the color. Look at Captain Boomerang. In the comics he has a colorful blue costume but it seems the movie is embarrassed about that. And Enchantress ... holy christ. Only Joker and Harley Quinn look good. In Jokers case (for me personally), it's less that he looks good and more that he has a distinctive look. Everyone just have such muted and downplayed looks that Joker & Harley stick out from them big time. edit: Someone bought up Constantine a couple of pages ago and literally the only reason to watch it is because Tilda Swinton owns bones. Testekill fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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Heavy Metal posted:Granted, though I'm sure a few of them are critics, maybe some not deemed worthy by RT. Did you know they don't count reviews from AintItCoolNews for example? why would they ever count them.
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Kurzon posted:When I go to see a DC/Warners film, I am astonished when it's good. When I go to see a Marvel Studios film, I am astonished when it's bad. It's like a cycle at this point. MCU: GotG/Ant-Man/Civil War is gonna be the big flop guys! The Marvel bubble is about to burst! DCU: Ok that was kinda bad, but BvS/SS/WW is looking pretty good! I mean Wonder Woman actually does look pretty good but so did the first trailer of Suicide Squad.
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Up to this point there hasn't been a truly bad MCU film. Iron Man 2 is supposed to be the weakest but I enjoyed that one too. The source of MCU's success is not the creative talent but it's manager, Kevin Feige. Notice that he leaves relatively little control to directors and writers. It is said that the strength of the comic books rests on the editors, not the writers, and Marvel seems to understand this. It's no coincidence that the only studio that can reliably produce good superhero movies is actually owned and operated by a comic book publisher.
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Kurzon posted:Up to this point there hasn't been a truly bad MCU film. Iron Man 2 is supposed to be the weakest but I enjoyed that one too. They are all the same movie, so if you liked Iron Man 1, I can see why you'd feel that way.
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Kurzon posted:Up to this point there hasn't been a truly bad MCU film. Iron Man 2 is supposed to be the weakest but I enjoyed that one too. Most are actually bad, from what I've seen: Iron Man 1 is an apologia for celebrity worship, techno-fetishism, and the War on Terror. Iron Man 2 has already been mentioned. Iron Man 3 is a truther movie. Avengers is just all around terribly directed and written. Captain America 2 blames Neonazi infiltration for the ills of the American security complex. Captain America 3 is no longer even about America. quote:The source of MCU's success is not the creative talent... little control to directors and writers... the strength of the comic books rests on the editors, not the writers... Jesus loving christ. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Most are actually bad, from what I've seen:
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Kurzon posted:Wow you acclimated really fast, didn't you? Very conductive discussion.
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Kurzon posted:Up to this point there hasn't been a truly bad MCU film. Iron Man 2 is supposed to be the weakest but I enjoyed that one too. Yeah, but none of the movies save Guardians are really all that spectacular. Everyone gets mad when I make the comparison, but they're all on par with the first Transformers movie, IMO (except the ones that are worse, like Avengers and Thor). The first Transformers movie was pretty fun to watch, but it's not something that really shines brightly.
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Already been called out in this thread but "The characters are the ultimate in squad goals" -- http://www.arcamax.com/entertainment/entertainmenttoday/s-1857980 ughghghghghghhghghghgh
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Testekill posted:They would have made mad bank on Harley Quinn alone. One wonders why they didn't just make a movie actually about her/her and the Joker. It's kind of baffling, unless they're keeping that film in the chamber out of a misguided confidence that they'll have time to get around to it later.
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precision posted:One wonders why they didn't just make a movie actually about her/her and the Joker. It's kind of baffling, unless they're keeping that film in the chamber out of a misguided confidence that they'll have time to get around to it later. I feel like a Joker/Harley movie would be interesting if they did a Natural Born Killers thing with it.
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PenguinKnight posted:Wonder Woman still looks pretty good, Justice League's trailer could be a bit better Yeah, you'd have to really gently caress up to have "Wonder Woman fights the god damned Nazi War Machine" bomb in theaters. Especially since her showing up and starting to cut loose was one of the highlights of Batman v Superman. That god damned theme music. 
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Wade Wilson posted:Yeah, you'd have to really gently caress up to have "Wonder Woman fights the god damned Nazi War Machine" bomb in theaters. Especially since her showing up and starting to cut loose was one of the highlights of Batman v Superman. I hate to break it to you, but Wonder Woman is set in WWI, so no Nazis.
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Yoshifan823 posted:I hate to break it to you, but Wonder Woman is set in WWI, so no Nazis. When did that change happen? Back when the original reports of the script were going around it was set in WWII. EDIT: Okay, World War II is planned for the sequel if it gets a sequel. My original point stands if we get that far, either way, Wonder Woman loving up a war zone is still going to be fun to watch.
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Kurzon posted:Up to this point there hasn't been a truly bad MCU film. Iron Man 2 is supposed to be the weakest but I enjoyed that one too. And here we have the advocation of executive/committee/management based movie making and arguing for the death of an actual creative voice behind a film. We are actually celebrating mediocrity and the idea of building franchise films devoid of any creative voice or identity by just following a homogenised formula set by some upper level management. This more than anything else is why the MCU is so terrible. They've successfully sold a narrative where executive meddling is celebrated and everyone cheers while utterly average, bland, forgettable movies with workmanlike cinematography that any half decent cable TV show easily surpasses get churned out on a regular basis to critical acclaim.
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:This more than anything else is why the MCU is so terrible. They've successfully sold a narrative where executive meddling is celebrated and everyone cheers while utterly average, bland, forgettable movies with workmanlike cinematography that any half decent cable TV show easily surpasses get churned out on a regular basis to critical acclaim. Jesus Christ man, is it cold all the way up there on your mile high horse? It's okay to dislike things without resorting to intimating that they're objectively terrible. Even in CD.
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How dare you intimate that your opinion is objective.
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Honestly, liking a movie like Batman v Superman out of spite makes as much sense as anything else
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precision posted:It's okay to dislike things without resorting to intimating that they're objectively terrible. Even in CD. What are you even saying here? That it's wrong to voice the idea that movies you dislike are terrible and explaining why you find them bad or why you hate the process of how they are made is conceited?
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The biggest problem with adopting this idea that all Marvel films are identical and sap creative control from the directors is that it makes the presumption that Kevin Fiege is a monotonous drone incapable of creative input; that instead of cooperation the system is engaging in oppression. This is an absurd concept with no basis in reality; for every "Edgar Wright alienated from Ant Man!" story we have several similar instances of names dropping from Justice League, Wonder Woman, and Flash. The Abominable Devil Kebin Feege is as much a slave driver and oppressor of creative control as George Lucas was for the original Star Wars trilogy. It's cooperation to match an aesthetic.
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computer parts posted:Paramount seems to be doing just fine with known critic bomb Transformers. Those films make a lot money outside the US. The same cannot be said for the DCEU.
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computer parts posted:There seems to be plenty of quips in Justice League, don't worry. Lack of quips is not the problem. Bad filmmaking in a pretty package is the problem.
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Marketing New Brain posted:Each subsequent movie after the second has done worse than the first movie if you adjust for inflation. Which no one does.
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Whoa Ayer did Harsh Times? That movie is so loving good!
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Pirate Jet posted:You can have a successful superhero film without a PG-13 rating if your character has been an internet meme for a decade. You are hilarious if you think Deadpools succes was due to the character being a "meme".
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Judakel posted:Lack of quips is not the problem. Bad filmmaking in a pretty package is the problem.
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The best thing to come out of the smear campaign against WB/DC is that it's forced David Ayer to reveal his primary inspiration is Emiliano Zapata, and that like Snyder he considers filmmaking to be a fully political act.
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Wade Wilson posted:When did that change happen? Back when the original reports of the script were going around it was set in WWII.
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