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Podima posted:Said point is reproduced here for reference. I'd actually never heard of governor before, so I had to look it up. I can see a debate as to whether it's anti-town or an intelligent player's response to democracy not working, but either way using two shots within four days, as a claimed policy even, is horrible.
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Podima posted:I don't like the leap of logic that you're making whereby a doublevoter would only use it to throw down a lynch vote. I don't think that's a truthful assessment of your understanding of the role, although I'm currently having trouble figuring out why scum would claim ignorance on how governors work. Absurd Revolver posted:Okay, I'm a 2-shot Governor. "when I expend both shots" doesn't mean it has to be the hammer. 
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Aug 4, 2016 03:54
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I guess I'd just like better arguments than "POSSIBLE 3P!" for why we should lunch AR. I agree, we don't need to prioritize it. But I'd like to see people actually bring an argument to the table about him, unless I'm missing it in the sea of people just jumping on him lazily.
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Aug 4, 2016 04:01
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SirSamVimes posted:"when I expend both shots" doesn't mean it has to be the hammer. I still think it's a stretch, but my vote is elsewhere for right now. Propaganda Machine posted:I'd actually never heard of governor before, so I had to look it up. I can see a debate as to whether it's anti-town or an intelligent player's response to democracy not working, but either way using two shots within four days, as a claimed policy even, is horrible. I appreciate the response/clarification of mindset, and agree with your stated point of view.
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Aug 4, 2016 04:02
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Max posted:I guess I'd just like better arguments than "POSSIBLE 3P!" for why we should lunch AR. I agree, we don't need to prioritize it. But I'd like to see people actually bring an argument to the table about him, unless I'm missing it in the sea of people just jumping on him lazily. Not to be rude, but are you purposely ignoring my vote justification? For Day 1, I have no issue lynching a claimed role that is sketchy/potentially a fakeclaim at worst, and neutral town utility at best (especially in the hands of a player that won't be engaged with the game). That's far better than most D1s work out.
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Aug 4, 2016 04:03
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Also a thought I had while wandering up to my room (the bartender brought me my receipt after a beer and two whiskey sours, what in the heck) - we have a new player here (Atomic Soda) that hasn't posted much at all yet. Don't be shy, please - tell us what you think! As a new player, you're almost 100% immune to being lynched on Day 1 so you should feel free to post whatever thoughts you have!
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Aug 4, 2016 04:06
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Podima posted:Not to be rude, but are you purposely ignoring my vote justification? For Day 1, I have no issue lynching a claimed role that is sketchy/potentially a fakeclaim at worst, and neutral town utility at best (especially in the hands of a player that won't be engaged with the game). That's far better than most D1s work out. I think maybe we / just I am talking past you, because I'm pretty tired. But fair, it's day 1.
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Aug 4, 2016 04:07
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Podima posted:Also a thought I had while wandering up to my room (the bartender brought me my receipt after a beer and two whiskey sours, what in the heck) - we have a new player here (Atomic Soda) that hasn't posted much at all yet. Don't be shy, please - tell us what you think! As a new player, you're almost 100% immune to being lynched on Day 1 so you should feel free to post whatever thoughts you have! warning: despicable australian
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Aug 4, 2016 04:50
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This honestly feels like a really scummy push on AR. It's possible that he could be lying about his claim, but Ecco does seem to like using a Governor as a role and I don't think I've seen it be scum in her games. You can say it's a negative utility all you want, but it's also highly likely to be a town role so this kind of justification doesn't sit right with me: Podima posted:Not to be rude, but are you purposely ignoring my vote justification? For Day 1, I have no issue lynching a claimed role that is sketchy/potentially a fakeclaim at worst, and neutral town utility at best (especially in the hands of a player that won't be engaged with the game). That's far better than most D1s work out.
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Aug 4, 2016 04:51
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it feels like a BS announcement to me cuz it came out of no where and then ar backpedaled by going "oh no I might not be able to stay so I wanted the biggest bang for my buck  "
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Aug 4, 2016 05:04
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Gamerofthegame posted:it feels like a BS announcement to me cuz it came out of no where and then ar backpedaled by going "oh no I might not be able to stay so I wanted the biggest bang for my buck It didn't really come out of nowhere though. He said something like 'Oh I'll be gone by like D4' and then like 3 or 4 people went 'What? Sounds like a 3P!!!' and started voting him before he claimed. I mean it was probably a bit premature and awkward, but I not sure if that's actually scummy.
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Aug 4, 2016 05:23
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TMMadman posted:It didn't really come out of nowhere though. He said something like 'Oh I'll be gone by like D4' and then like 3 or 4 people went 'What? Sounds like a 3P!!!' and started voting him before he claimed. that also came out of no where tho
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Aug 4, 2016 05:34
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Gamerofthegame posted:that also came out of no where tho Yeah, but that's more dumb than scummy. While it could be 3P, it's also just as likely to be town. And the people saying that he's scum are kind of dumb because what kind of scum would come out and say 'oh, I'll probably be gone by D4?'
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Aug 4, 2016 05:38
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Not liking the casing and justification going on for AR as the lynch candidate. I agree it's suss as gently caress to announce something like governor D1 with 0 pressure on him, but we need to also look at it from another angle in that we can potentially test his claim. I disagree that he should be the current lynch candidate for announcing it.  AR 2 questions 1.) Can you self pardon? 2.) Does you ability specify lynches or executions that you can pardon? We might be looking at a situation where we have a scum ability that can execute a player when they reach a certain number of votes, which is why I feel we should hold off voting AR for the moment (As there is still plenty of time left in the day) Current suspicions would be falling onto Podima, for flavour hunting. That's about it on a catch-up review.
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Aug 4, 2016 05:48
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Podima posted:With that as context, check out this post combo by Ninth Layer: Because I don't like joining out-of-nowhere bandwagons.
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Aug 4, 2016 06:39
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Podima posted:Ok, end of thread. I've settled on ##vote AR as follows: Governor is an inherently anti-town role? What Mafia game have you been playing?
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Aug 4, 2016 06:41
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It is a power that is easy to use in an anti-town way, but also a power that I don't think would ever be put in the hands of scum because it basically makes lylo one day earlier.
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Aug 4, 2016 06:43
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Governor is an incredibly strong role to give to scum, it's not a role that scum would ever want to claim if they didn't have to.
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Aug 4, 2016 06:44
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Meinberg posted:I can't make any promises that I'll be more active, but I'll try my darnedest. In my experience, Ecco is fairly good about providing fake claims, but usually only on demand. Why would a 2-shot governor be fine but a 2-shot governor that dies after #2 be a bridge too far? A lot of half baked logic and assumptions in this post. ##unvote ##vote Meinberg
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Aug 4, 2016 06:48
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Podima posted:I will never, ever, subscribe to a plan that calls for a potential chain lynch Day 2. It's just not worth it. I appreciate the sentiment, though. Do you have anything on him besides "he's a governor" because so far I haven't seen anything.
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Aug 4, 2016 06:53
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It was this post, re: TMM/Kashuno. Classic scumbo.Absurd Revolver posted:We're hardly being a thorn in scum's side with what looks like the most town on town argument I've seen erupt on day loving one.
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Aug 4, 2016 06:56
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The Ninth Layer posted:Governor is an inherently anti-town role? What Mafia game have you been playing? I can see it. If we're going with the logic that no-lynch days are bad, a bad governor shot nullifies both the lynch itself and whatever information that can be gleaned from the day. It's essentially a time-wasting mulligan unless the governor has good reason to believe that town is lynching very poorly. I wouldn't say it's inherently anti-town, just easily so. So given that, using it indiscriminantly in the first few days? Are you trying to say that's a good thing?
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Aug 4, 2016 06:57
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Propaganda Machine posted:I can see it. If we're going with the logic that no-lynch days are bad, a bad governor shot nullifies both the lynch itself and whatever information that can be gleaned from the day. It's essentially a time-wasting mulligan unless the governor has good reason to believe that town is lynching very poorly. No I'm saying that if AR can actually defer the lynch that makes me more inclined to think he's town.
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Aug 4, 2016 06:58
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Propaganda Machine posted:If we're going with the logic that no-lynch days are bad, a bad governor shot nullifies both the lynch itself and whatever information that can be gleaned from the day Also keep in mind that the time to deadline shortens with each new day. So this could be the ~what a tweeeeest~ moment in an Ecco game.
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Aug 4, 2016 07:03
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The Ninth Layer posted:No I'm saying that if AR can actually defer the lynch that makes me more inclined to think he's town. But that puts us back at: "lol guess I got RBed," and, why the hell would he want to claim it? I get that it's Ecco-y, but...why? I'm voting him partly because I just don't buy it. This is my first Ecco game, but I'm quickly getting the impression that you could pick any role from mafiawiki to fakeclaim, and it would seem reasonable.
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Aug 4, 2016 07:06
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Propaganda Machine posted:But that puts us back at: I mean if he claims to be roleblocked then we hang him because he's claimed a day action? Weird argument to make.
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Aug 4, 2016 07:10
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Propaganda Machine posted:But that puts us back at: So do you think he's lying or what?
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Aug 4, 2016 07:14
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SirSamVimes posted:I mean if he claims to be roleblocked then we hang him because he's claimed a day action? Weird argument to make. This is fair. The Ninth Layer posted:So do you think he's lying or what? I think he's being disingenuous. There's something super fishy about it.
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Aug 4, 2016 07:17
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hey look at all those posts podima, i wish i had a lot to share at the moment but unfortunately i do not. trying to get a better handle on how people are playing but joke stage does not help/i am dumb. i have some of the same thoughts other people have about AR. why claim that role then, and how does that help his win condition? also i know dongsbot says he posted this as a joke but i'm also not sure what kind of governor could be considered prole friendly in this game. on that note jimson seems to be heavily breadcrumbing some sort of priest, and any revolutionary worth their salt knows the church is a tool of the ruling class. no gods no masters
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Aug 4, 2016 08:56
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The more I think about it, the more I don't like AR claiming a power role like that D1 with 0 pressure. ##vote AR until he answers my questions.
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Aug 4, 2016 12:11
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##unvote ##vote Absurd Revolver If it makes a difference to Ecco
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Aug 4, 2016 12:13
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More liek A nerd revolver
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Aug 4, 2016 12:16
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Gnight nerds. Saying this so people don't get mad at me for not posting for several hours.
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I don't get why AR would claim and I do not like such questionable players being left alive because they become a focal point of attention for future game days. Also if he has IRL stuff coming up and isn't replacing out he should be removed now for the good of town.
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Aug 4, 2016 13:10
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Podima posted:I will never, ever, subscribe to a plan that calls for a potential chain lynch Day 2. It's just not worth it. I appreciate the sentiment, though. This is correct enough.
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Aug 4, 2016 13:23
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CCKeane posted:This is correct enough. 
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Aug 4, 2016 13:41
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  Podima has been in this game for like 12 hours and has more posts than most of this game
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Aug 4, 2016 13:51
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Kashuno posted:
 Infinitum posted:Current suspicions would be falling onto Podima, for flavour hunting. I posted a bunch of reads as I caught up with the game, and you're fixating on my two setup flavor speculation posts? This is a manufactured opinion.
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TMMadman posted:Yeah, but that's more dumb than scummy. While it could be 3P, it's also just as likely to be town. What kind of town would do that, either? Way I think of it, it's either an absurdly dumb play that AR then doubled down on or some stupid 3p/scum gambit. "Alright, I'll do something dumb then you scumhunt me, scumbros, to get cred!!" I agree that he's garnered the focal attention of the thread, tho, at the expense of potentially anyone else. The just as easily possible flipside of this argument is scum is going ham on dumb townie/3p before someone else gets heat. As it stands, though, I think AR would be the best bet right now.
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