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Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Klyith posted:

which is another reason to skip fast boot: you have to keep hibernate enabled to use it. if you have a small-ish SSD that you want to get the most useful space from, that means losing 75% of your ram size to hiberfil.
I know it's beside the point, but for anyone who's not actively tracking prices, you can get a 480 GB SSD for under $100 nowadays.

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Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Vulture Culture posted:

I know it's beside the point, but for anyone who's not actively tracking prices, you can get a 480 GB SSD for under $100 nowadays.

true but
a) if you already have an ssd that works, getting something new just to have it is $100 you don't need to spend.
b) the rock-bottom price TLC drives kinda suck performance-wise. I'd rather spend my hundred bucks on a better 250gb 850evo (or whatever) and continue to move games around / disable hibernate / ruthlessly stomp on dumb programs that squander space.


but even if I had a 480gb ssd or a 2TB one, I'd continue to turn off hibernate because S3 sleep is already the perfect method for desktops

-Blackadder-
Jan 2, 2007

Game....Blouses.
So I guess CrashPlan it is?

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

-Blackadder- posted:

So I guess CrashPlan it is?

It does incrementals, so I can't recommend against it.

-Blackadder-
Jan 2, 2007

Game....Blouses.
The two others that seem to be mentioned a lot as competition are Backblaze and Carbonite. How do the compare?

The Slack Lagoon
Jun 17, 2008



Well, installed Office 2016 through HUP. We'll see if I end up getting in trouble!

crestfallen
Aug 2, 2009

Hi.
https://www.arqbackup.com/ is probably worth looking at too. I didn't expect to be super impressed by it but I like it a lot. I enjoy that you can pick a service (or multiple!) to back up to, in addition to the usual local or NAS options.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
This seems like a stupid question, but I can't seem to piece together an easy answer via google. I"m also not sure where to ask it so I'm putting it here.

I'm trying to copy the entire contents of my wife's laptop to my computer so that we can upgrade it to Win10. I want to do a clean install rather than an upgrade, since her laptop is a good 3-4 years old and has not had a clean install since she got it.

She's got a ton of stuff there. Mainly, she used some oddball/obscure software when she was in grad school, so I want to make sure I grab all the config files/whatnot on the off chance that she has to install that stuff and use it again. So, to avoid missing anything I tried to simply drag/drop the C:\ drive on to a network folder that resides on my computer.

It mostly did OK, but it encountered a few problems:

1) Several system files choked but I mostly don't care about them. I don't need the page file or other garbage...but I do want to make sure I grab stuff that may be hidden as part of a software package.

2) Several files have too-long filenames.

A lot of these are academic papers she purchased way back, and her organizational scheme has very long folder names...yeah. Rather than try to fix each instance, what's the best way to bypass this?

I've found on google that on the cmd prompt I can prefix the path with \\?\ which is supposed to ignore the 260 character limit. Is there anything else I need to know? My biggest concern is at that point I have to use the command prompt, so I don't know which switches to use to make sure I grab every single file and copy it over. Hidden files/folders, system files, everything...

Can I just use

code:
 copy \\?\C:\ \\NetworkComputer\RemoteFolder\ 
on the command prompt to do this?


So really, the question is: What's the easiest way to just blindly copy everything over from point A to point B? I'm going to need to repeat this process to copy everything back after I've installed Win10 on her computer. Obviously I won't copy it back to the C drive, but to some folder.

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

DaveSauce posted:

This seems like a stupid question, but I can't seem to piece together an easy answer via google. I"m also not sure where to ask it so I'm putting it here.

I'm trying to copy the entire contents of my wife's laptop to my computer so that we can upgrade it to Win10. I want to do a clean install rather than an upgrade, since her laptop is a good 3-4 years old and has not had a clean install since she got it.

She's got a ton of stuff there. Mainly, she used some oddball/obscure software when she was in grad school, so I want to make sure I grab all the config files/whatnot on the off chance that she has to install that stuff and use it again. So, to avoid missing anything I tried to simply drag/drop the C:\ drive on to a network folder that resides on my computer.

It mostly did OK, but it encountered a few problems:

1) Several system files choked but I mostly don't care about them. I don't need the page file or other garbage...but I do want to make sure I grab stuff that may be hidden as part of a software package.

2) Several files have too-long filenames.

A lot of these are academic papers she purchased way back, and her organizational scheme has very long folder names...yeah. Rather than try to fix each instance, what's the best way to bypass this?

I've found on google that on the cmd prompt I can prefix the path with \\?\ which is supposed to ignore the 260 character limit. Is there anything else I need to know? My biggest concern is at that point I have to use the command prompt, so I don't know which switches to use to make sure I grab every single file and copy it over. Hidden files/folders, system files, everything...

Can I just use

code:
 copy \\?\C:\ \\NetworkComputer\RemoteFolder\ 
on the command prompt to do this?


So really, the question is: What's the easiest way to just blindly copy everything over from point A to point B? I'm going to need to repeat this process to copy everything back after I've installed Win10 on her computer. Obviously I won't copy it back to the C drive, but to some folder.

Assuming it's all in her user profile, I'd move what you want to keep to some folder, I'm going to say a Folder called "Move" on the desktop. Open a command prompt and go:

code:
robocopy /mir "Desktop\Move" "\\Server1\ShareName\Wherever\"
It will copy everything underneath the "Move" folder recursively and skip anything that is the same time and file size in both locations (assuming you need to stop in the middle and start copying again later for some reason). Depending on your network speed, this can take some time. If you have a USB drive you can plug in, it'll go faster. Robocopy supports more than 260 characters in the file paths (Use quotes for any path with spaces)

NOTE Robocopy's mirror (/mir) command will delete anything in the destination that is not in the source, so make sure you do this to an empty target folder.

Arsten fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jul 27, 2016

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Make an image of the disk and sort out that crap when you are copying files back to the new install. With Macrium Reflect or whatever.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.

Arsten posted:

Assuming it's all in her user profile, I'd move what you want to keep to some folder, I'm going to say a Folder called "Move" on the desktop. Open a command prompt and go:

code:
robocopy /mir "Desktop\Move" "\\Server1\ShareName\Wherever\"
It will copy everything underneath the "Move" folder recursively and skip anything that is the same time and file size in both locations (assuming you need to stop in the middle and start copying again later for some reason). Depending on your network speed, this can take some time. If you have a USB drive you can plug in, it'll go faster. Robocopy supports more than 260 characters in the file paths (Use quotes for any path with spaces)

NOTE Robocopy's mirror (/mir) command will delete anything in the destination that is not in the source, so make sure you do this to an empty target folder.

So the main issue is I don't know where the important files are. I think the files she downloaded/used are in her user profile, but any oddball software she used might have created output files in other locations, so I don't want to lose those just in case. A lot of these things are related to her thesis, so while that's all done with, it's kind of important stuff to keep around just in case.

So that's why we wanted to just copy everything and sort it out later. She's currently using 175 gigs on a 1TB drive, so space is not an issue, just time. It's easier for us to spend a couple hours letting everything copy, rather than sorting through the important stuff and possibly missing something. This is all driven by the desire to get WIn10 installed before the 29th.

So will robocopy do the whole C drive?

code:
robocopy /mir "C:\" "\\NetworkComputer\RemoteFolder\"
edit:

So now that I know about robocopy, I found some stuff on google to help out here: https://michael.mckinnon.id.au/2011/06/27/how-to-do-windows-backups-with-robocopy-tips/

I'm considering doing the following:

code:
robocopy /Z /E "C:\" "\\NetworkComputer\RemoteFolder\" /XF pagefile.sys hiberfil.sys
Does this seem legit? It definitely ignores the page file, since I KNOW I don't need it, but should grab everything else near as I can tell.

DaveSauce fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Jul 27, 2016

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

DaveSauce posted:

So the main issue is I don't know where the important files are. I think the files she downloaded/used are in her user profile, but any oddball software she used might have created output files in other locations, so I don't want to lose those just in case. A lot of these things are related to her thesis, so while that's all done with, it's kind of important stuff to keep around just in case.

So that's why we wanted to just copy everything and sort it out later. She's currently using 175 gigs on a 1TB drive, so space is not an issue, just time. It's easier for us to spend a couple hours letting everything copy, rather than sorting through the important stuff and possibly missing something. This is all driven by the desire to get WIn10 installed before the 29th.

So will robocopy do the whole C drive?

code:
robocopy /mir "C:\" "\\NetworkComputer\RemoteFolder\"

Yes, but it will give you errors on the Recycle Bin and System Volume Information folders. If you want the whole thing, go with Macrium Reflect like Flipperwaldt suggested. This will create an image file that you can then sift through later to find things you may want to keep. This way, after you restore the actual Desktop/My Document folders and she comes back and goes "OMGAW I totally kept tiffany's hair color in a folder called C:\not porn\real porn\hair.jpg and i need it badddd!" you can then go sift through for what you specifically need.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

I would image the drive to a clean disk and run the win10 upgrade in place. It seems to do a decent job keeping settings without loving up, so it's worth a shot. If it does go tits up you got the backup handy.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.
OK so I didn't realize the Macrium Reflect software is free...I was trying to avoid spending money on something windows can do natively, but a full image is more likely the way to go.

What's the unpacking process like? I don't intend to image it back to a clean drive, but just unpack all the contents to an "old computer" folder on her system once WIn10 is installed. I could just make a partition, but I don't want to accidentally run afoul of windows licensing crap by having a more or less live image of Win7 living on the computer.

Also, unimportant side note, but my wife's files have less to do with tiffany's hair color and more to do with genetic sequencing of chinese hamster RNA that she spent 6 years working on in grad school. So kind of important stuff for her to keep...that's the whole reason I'm trying to take EVERYTHING rather than trying to sort through stuff and potentially missing something.

DaveSauce fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jul 27, 2016

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

DaveSauce posted:

OK so I didn't realize the Macrium Reflect software is free...I was trying to avoid spending money on something windows can do natively, but a full image is more likely the way to go.

What's the unpacking process like? I don't intend to image it back to a clean drive, but just unpack all the contents to an "old computer" folder on her system once WIn10 is installed. I could just make a partition, but I don't want to accidentally run afoul of windows licensing crap by having a more or less live image of Win7 living on the computer.

I haven't unpacked Macrium specifically, but I doubt it'll be different than most imaging software and it will let you extract the entire thing as files. You will probably have to take ownership and full control of where you umpack it, though.

DaveSauce posted:

Also, unimportant side note, but my wife's files have less to do with tiffany's hair color and more to do with genetic sequencing of chinese hamster RNA that she spent 6 years working on in grad school. So kind of important stuff for her to keep...

Your wife has freaky ways of hiding her porn.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

If it's thesis type stuff, get that poo poo into a proper backup asap. We just had a long conversation about it in this very thread. :v:

I work at a research lab with a lot of post grads, and the worst loving thing is telling them everything is gone because their workstation hard drive croaked and they only had the one copy.

(Backups are the user's responsibility here)

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



DaveSauce posted:

What's the unpacking process like?
If you have Macrium Reflect installed on the new install, you can mount the image file as a new (read only) drive letter that you can copy stuff out of.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.

quote:

Your wife has freaky ways of hiding her porn.

I'm not judging her, just copying her files. OK, maybe judging a little bit, but mostly copying files.


xzzy posted:

If it's thesis type stuff, get that poo poo into a proper backup asap. We just had a long conversation about it in this very thread. :v:

I work at a research lab with a lot of post grads, and the worst loving thing is telling them everything is gone because their workstation hard drive croaked and they only had the one copy.

(Backups are the user's responsibility here)

Yeah, thankfully she's a few years out and is done, published, and has her piece of paper. But, her industry is so small that you're never really "done," so she wants to make sure she holds on to everything just in case she needs it. I'm fairly confident that anything that's REALLY critical is on the university's network.


Flipperwaldt posted:

If you have Macrium Reflect installed on the new install, you can mount the image file as a new (read only) drive letter that you can copy stuff out of.

That's perfect, thanks!

Kerbtree
Sep 8, 2008

BAD FALCON!
LAZY!

Flipperwaldt posted:

If you have Macrium Reflect installed on the new install, you can mount the image file as a new (read only) drive letter that you can copy stuff out of.

Use the built-in converter to change the image to .vhd and it'll mount natively and r/w :eng101:

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Kerbtree posted:

Use the built-in converter to change the image to .vhd and it'll mount natively and r/w :eng101:
I'm thinking read only is almost a plus in this case, but that's a good tip that I had no idea was an option.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
What are the actual pros and cons on upgrading to 10? I'm running out of time to decide.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Jewel Repetition posted:

What are the actual pros and cons on upgrading to 10? I'm running out of time to decide.
Upgrading from what?

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Jewel Repetition posted:

What are the actual pros and cons on upgrading to 10? I'm running out of time to decide.

I think the only real con is the one that's preventing me from doing it, I use a HDHomeRun with Windows Media Center and an Xbox as an extender as my cable box, and Windows Media Center isn't included in 10.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Jewel Repetition posted:

What are the actual pros and cons on upgrading to 10? I'm running out of time to decide.

Just run a full backup of your current system so you can be sure you can go back to your current environment, and do the upgrade.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

fishmech posted:

Just run a full backup of your current system so you can be sure you can go back to your current environment, and do the upgrade.

I don't think I have the hard drive space for that.

Saukkis
May 16, 2003

Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.

DaveSauce posted:

I'm considering doing the following:

code:
robocopy /Z /E "C:\" "\\NetworkComputer\RemoteFolder\" /XF pagefile.sys hiberfil.sys
Does this seem legit? It definitely ignores the page file, since I KNOW I don't need it, but should grab everything else near as I can tell.

You'll probably also want to add /XJ to avoid endlessly looping directory structure.


Jewel Repetition posted:

I don't think I have the hard drive space for that.

Loan or dumpster dive an old harddrive from somewhere, install Win10 on it with your old Win7 key, receive the digital entitlement, throw the harddrive back in the dumpster.

Michael Scott
Jan 3, 2010

by zen death robot
Just upgrade. There are no cons.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
My new build is going to happen just after the free upgrade ends. If I upgraded a machine from 8.1 to 10 is there any way to transfer my 10 license? I've already priced in an OEM license so no big deal if not.

Also did anyone ever bother with Storage Spaces or am I better off doing RAID1 via my motherboard?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Shumagorath posted:

My new build is going to happen just after the free upgrade ends. If I upgraded a machine from 8.1 to 10 is there any way to transfer my 10 license?
Possibly MS will start allowing people to take a free upgrade license across a hardware upgrade if you tie it to a MS account (and activate with the MS account on the new hardware).

But it's unconfirmed stuff that we won't totally know how it works until after the anniversary update comes out. Which is Aug 2.

quote:

Also did anyone ever bother with Storage Spaces or am I better off doing RAID1 via my motherboard?
Why not simple volume mirroring in software, via disk management? I've been using that for years now to mirror my files partition, it works fine. (Started using it because I had unequal size drives, which software handles easily.) And the speed difference between windows mirroring and mobo RAID is pretty negligible, especially for writes.

Storage spaces just seems way too complicated for a relatively simple operation like mirroring. It's also slow, and I'd worry about data recovery if something bad happened. Like if the OS was totally hosed and I wanted to boot a linux USB stick to do an immediate safety backup. Linux can't read from storage spaces, you'd have to yank a drive and put it in another windows 8/10 PC.

Windows software mirrors require dynamic disks, which are a pain if you want to dual-boot linux, but at least linux can read them.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Klyith posted:

Why not simple volume mirroring in software, via disk management?
That doesn't work with BitLocker, which I'm trying to use on every drive that will host something besides Crashplan archives or movies too big to fit anywhere else.

Zortzico
Jul 3, 2007

We're Just Running In The 90's
Just a question in regards to MS ending their free upgrade period for Windows 10. I chose not to update, and didn't want the forced update to happen so I disabled the auto-updates on Win 7. What I'm curious about is what will happen now if I did the windows updates? Will it force the auto-update or just harass me with unavoidable notifications?

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Zortzico posted:

Just a question in regards to MS ending their free upgrade period for Windows 10. I chose not to update, and didn't want the forced update to happen so I disabled the auto-updates on Win 7. What I'm curious about is what will happen now if I did the windows updates? Will it force the auto-update or just harass me with unavoidable notifications?

I've left windows updates on for my Win7 machine the whole time and just kept closing the nag screen. I did an upgrade on a secondary disk so I can upgrade when I want to in the future, but I left my system on 7 for now. The Windows 10 nagger in the system tray is gone and it hasn't bothered me since around 20 hours left on the upgrade period. I think you'll be fine to just turn updates back on.

Orgophlax
Aug 26, 2002


Not sure where to ask this, so I'll try here:

What's a good program to convert video files with 6 channel audio to 2 channels that doesn't make the voices too quiet?

I used XMedia Recode but the voice audio was practically non-present.

mr_package
Jun 13, 2000

Orgophlax posted:

Not sure where to ask this, so I'll try here:

What's a good program to convert video files with 6 channel audio to 2 channels that doesn't make the voices too quiet?

I used XMedia Recode but the voice audio was practically non-present.

Don't know another recommended app off hand but it sounds like Recode set the center channel too low. Or perhaps there's a phase issue introduced. Best solution might be to check if Recode has any settings/options around audio mixdown and try them. Bumping center channel +3db (maybe +6db if it's really 'on existent'?) If you have the skills to de- and re-mux audio to/from video files, you could do a custom audio mixdown in a 5.1 capable audio app. This is the approach I would take but that's just because it's my area of expertise and it's normal to go with what you know (every problem looks like a nail as they say). It might be an issue with your source as well, maybe the dialog isn't in the center channel at all so the Recode algorithm handles it poorly, doesn't detect the center channel.

Actually now that I think about it, I suspect Recode didn't actually mix down to stereo at all-- I bet you're just getting L/R channels and no center mixed in at all-- that would make dialog practically non-present indeed..

neogeo0823
Jul 4, 2007

NO THAT'S NOT ME!!

Hey, my wife's getting the black screen hang up when trying to start her laptop into Windows 10. It shows the windows logo, then goes black before she can log in and doesn't display a mouse cursor. I've been trying to do everything I can to get it to start up in one way or another so that I can update the display drivers to see if that might fix it, but the computer is fighting me every step of the way. I can't even get it to boot into safe mode from the recovery USB, as it doesn't offer that option. I go to repair > Troubleshoot > Advanced Options, and all I see are System Restore, System Image Recovery, Startup Repair, Command Prompt, and Go Back To Previous Build. There's no Startup Options option available for booting to safe mode or anything. Anyone got any ideas here? I'm at a loss for where to go next.

EDIT: I was able to use the command prompt to enable the F8 startup menu. I selected safe mode with networking, and the computer restarted aaaand... black screen with no mouse. :sigh:

EDIT2: I was able to get into safe mode by hitting the F9 key repeatedly. This is not documented anywhere. I'm updating the drivers now.

neogeo0823 fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Aug 5, 2016

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
I just got a new fiber connection and router so I stopped paying for the cheap Kimsufi server I was using for Plex and NZBGet and just moved these two back onto my desktop. The internet works fine when I'm physically there and using the computer, but I've noticed that my desktop drops its connection to the network presumably when it goes to sleep and doesn't/unable to reconnect when I wake it back up. The only way to fix this issue I've found is to disable the NIC and reenable it again. Running ipconfig /release and /renew doesn't do anything because it just stalls on the /renew part. I think it only disconnects itself when the computer goes into sleep mode because I've only notice having no network connection when I wake up in the morning and when I get home from work, but when I'm actually home and using the computer my internet is fine. It's really annoying because NZBGet isn't downloading anything overnight anymore and for example right now my Plex server is down so I can't access it remotely (yes I have it configured properly). How can I fix this issue or find out whats going on?

The desktop is running the latest version of Windows 10 with this ASRock Z97M-ITXac motherboard. I disabled the wifi card in the UEFI and it's connected to the network via desktop -> switch -> router -> fiber unit > wan. It gets its IP address via dhcp but in my router I have it set to assign the same IP to it (needed for the Plex portforwarding for remote access). The website says the NIC is a "Qualcomm® Atheros® Gigabit LAN" and I'm using the latest firmware downloaded from the ASRock website. In the Windows 10 network settings I've disabled the option to let Windows turn off the NIC for powersaving.

e: Went home for lunch and the computer was disconnected from the LAN again. I uninstalled the NIC driver, rebooted, and had Windows search for a driver update and it told me it was using the newest version. The NIC is a Qualcomm Atheros AR8171/8175 according to the device manager. Left the computer alone and went and got lunch and when I came home and woke up the computer the LAN was disconnected yet again. I just configured the NIC to grab a static IP (the one I assigned it at the router) instead of using dhcp so I'll see how that goes. I also rebooted the router for good measure.

Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Aug 5, 2016

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

Philosophical question:

Since Microsoft is more or less dropping phones, does UWP even still make sense?

I get that the upsides are "Single Package abstracted from the system" which is security-nice, but wasn't the core idea of them to be portable to iPads running Windows?

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

They want them running on the xbox too.

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

xzzy posted:

They want them running on the xbox too.

What's the benefit of being able to do that? No porting games from the XBox to Windows?

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xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Arsten posted:

What's the benefit of being able to do that? No porting games from the XBox to Windows?

Microsoft wants to play a role in the living room. If people are buying fewer PC's at home Microsoft is going to need to keep their presence felt somewhere, and opening up the apps that can run on a game console might help with that.

To me it seems like a valid next step, Apple got everyone comfortable with walled gardens and if I can buy Halo 2020 edition and the same purchase runs on both my desktop and my xbox that's a pretty cool feature.

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