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Baloogan posted:My gut tells me that in the real timeline the USSR still exists. All those sci fi shows made before the Wall fell can't be wrong. Rhyno posted:Wasn't there a proposal for a Trek time travel series at one point? Assignment: Earth?
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Bush V Gore is the fulcrum point. That's when we veer headlong into AltBad Timeline. I can't really think of any thing before that which would start the dominoes falling, though. I posit that Hanging Chads are a symptom of the Badmess, but not necessarily a product of an earlier temporal fuckup. More than likely, the Zero point at the heart of Bush V Gore reverberated outwards in both +Time and Time- reference spaces. I have a strong suspicion that bitch Leslie cheating on me and then dumping me in 10th grade also has something to do with it. I need to gather more evidence for that though.
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I think a thorough examination of the timeline will clearly show that absence of President Michael Dukakis is what damaged our reality so severely.
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Paradoxish posted:This is a halfway reasonable "best of" list, but it's way, way too harsh if you're just trying to cut out the really bad episodes. The fact that "Conspiracy" isn't on the list for season one is a travesty too. That episode is ridiculous, but it's also awesome and you have to be one hell of a joyless motherfucker not to get any enjoyment out of it. You cannot skip "Ménage à Troi". The ending is just too loving priceless. "Mr. Crusher, set course for Betazed. ...warp nine."
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:You cannot skip "Ménage à Troi". The ending is just too loving priceless. Also, if it's a "first watchthrough" type thing, seeing the annoying Mrs Troi in TNG makes her relationship with Odo more important and more sweet in DS9
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So I've been giving the Animated Series my first real run through (I'd seen a couple episodes before, but couldn't get into it). The animation is pretty tragic and sometimes the voice actors aren't quite delivering, but otherwise I've been pretty pleasantly surprised by how much like real (good, weird) TOS it is. I just got to Walter Koenig's giant Spock episode. 
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Aug 9, 2016 07:08
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I want to like TAS, but I just can't get past how bad some of the voice acting is. Pretty much all non-main characters are crap.
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Aug 9, 2016 07:26
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I don't know, hearing Koloth sound just like Scotty was pretty hilarious.
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Aug 9, 2016 07:28
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Don't skip anything you weak rear end babies.
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Duckbag posted:So I've been giving the Animated Series my first real run through (I'd seen a couple episodes before, but couldn't get into it). The animation is pretty tragic and sometimes the voice actors aren't quite delivering, but otherwise I've been pretty pleasantly surprised by how much like real (good, weird) TOS it is. It would really be helped if it had been able to use the TOS music as filler. So much of that is part of the character of the show, its odd to see the bright 60s-color-heavy bridge with all the sounds... but without the music.
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Duckbag posted:So I've been giving the Animated Series my first real run through (I'd seen a couple episodes before, but couldn't get into it). The animation is pretty tragic and sometimes the voice actors aren't quite delivering, but otherwise I've been pretty pleasantly surprised by how much like real (good, weird) TOS it is. Where's TNGAS, everyone would totally be up for it.
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Aug 9, 2016 09:06
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TAS update, holy poo poo, magic is real! Also my ancestors who were tried at Salem were apparently aliens.
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Andorians confirmed for DSC! Please be Shran. Please be Shran. 
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I like that Picard is open with his friends in private but puts everyone in their place on the bridge. When Data interrupts Picard's horsie ride in the holodeck to say he talked to some random space kid, Picard actually says "ooops." Then when Data tries to bring the kid on the bridge, Picard is all "Get that thing off my bridge you stupid robot." Also, gently caress Berman to death. The music is soo good in the early seasons. In this episode, the soundtrack has some TOS style music and I thought "wow they are using the old theme in an interesting way." It was so distracting because it was good and I was used to just hearing "Generic cliffhanger statement. *BWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAM*" for so long. Berman created the very problem he thought he was solving. Cojawfee fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Aug 9, 2016 |
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Going back a few pages, so sorry, but I was busy being great at sports and answering fan mail from thousands of models.Sash! posted:First Contact isn't as good as it should be because it doesn't make sense to me. Of all the plot issues with the film, this seems minor. I really like FC, but there's a ton of bigger issues. - Why not time travel a safe distance away from Earth? - Why not, maybe, lead with your safe, simple, time travel plan, rather than doing it at the last second in full view of half of starfleet? - Why does stopping first contact matter? Why not just travel back to 1800, beam down 10 borg, and wait? - Why try this plan only once? It was fluke it was stopped the first time. - If all the borg die when then queen does, what happens when she exits the future timeline to go back to the past? Sure, all this can be waved away with dialogue that's too boring to include (the sphere was short range, also had a time-travel limit, the queen is one of many "local" queens, etc.) but if you're picking out stuff that doesn't make sense, I feel like the entire premise of the film qualifies. 
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With regards to the first point, because they'd prefer to assimilate the 24th century Federation. Much better resources for the Borg to feast on. Breaking history was the backup plan.
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Aug 9, 2016 14:57
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I'm not sure why they wouldn't just use those cool Andorian prosthetics from Enterprise unless Paramount chucked them all in the garbage
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Aug 9, 2016 15:00
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Would they not need to be custom fitted to each cast member wearing them?
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I don't see what the point of fighting the federation was anyway. If they prevented first contact, then Earth probably wouldn't be as advanced as they were originally and there's no point in assimilating them. The Federation wasn't seeking a fight with the Borg so the Borg could have just ignored the Federation and worked on assimilating other worlds.
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Cojawfee posted:"Get that thing off my bridge you stupid robot." 
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Cojawfee posted:I don't see what the point of fighting the federation was anyway. If they prevented first contact, then Earth probably wouldn't be as advanced as they were originally and there's no point in assimilating them. The Federation wasn't seeking a fight with the Borg so the Borg could have just ignored the Federation and worked on assimilating other worlds. I feel this problem could've been easily fixed with a few lines of dialogue about that Borg sphere was going to use that fancy trans warp thing to get back to Borg space, but in preventing them from escaping the Enterprise accidentally sent them both back in time. And the Borg figured assimilating humans four centuries too early would have to be the best they could do. It would also explain them focussing on Cochrane and his crew of hillbilly rocket scientists, since they were working on the most advanced technology on the planet.
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In other news, the chief of police has issued a statement regarding the recent trend of cyber goths stealing iPhones around the city.
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Cojawfee posted:In other news, the chief of police has issued a statement regarding the recent trend of cyber goths stealing iPhones around the city. I would watch Borg in the City.
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Trent posted:I would watch Borg in the City. Only if it's a sitcom like Caroline in the City, starring Alice Krige as a harried Borg Queen just trying to make it through her 30s in the big city.
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do you think that hugh gets embrassed when he detaches cybernetic enhancments in front of the queen sorry if this ofends anyone but i thought it was a funny thing haha
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CharlieWhiskey posted:do you think that hugh gets embrassed when he detaches cybernetic enhancments in front of the queen Is this a tumblr quote?
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and i would like to know if any of you have any pics of hugh detaching enhacnements while he looks nervous or embrassed i just want to see it for a few laughs haha
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another thing i am wondering is what do you think the enhancements smell like haha im just curious for laughs haha i would like to smell them
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Baka-nin posted:I feel this problem could've been easily fixed with a few lines of dialogue about that Borg sphere was going to use that fancy trans warp thing to get back to Borg space, but in preventing them from escaping the Enterprise accidentally sent them both back in time. And the Borg figured assimilating humans four centuries too early would have to be the best they could do. Accidentally arriving on the eve of the most important day in human history seems worse than what we have now. I'm happier with a few unexplained questions I can fill in myself than the entire film hinging on the time-travel equivalent of a lottery win.
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Every single bit of the plot of First Contact makes no sense. Just... zero. I still get irrationally angry when I wonder why the Borg didn't just pop back in time while still in the Deltra Quadrant and then fly to Earth rather than risk everything by flying there in the present. Don't shoot anywhere near the deflector dish, only to immediately start shooting. Apparently this is the only possible time travel device the Borg could build, and once it's blown up that's it. The Borg take their ball and go home. I liked Alice Krige, but the Borg Queen idea just felt bland and somewhat counter to ideas put forth with Hugh. But the characters are absurdly fun. I do not apologize for loving: Troi getting drunk Movie Barclay/Broccoli making an appearance Cochran claiming to need to take a leak and Geordi just not getting it Neal McDonough is in it and this is reason enough to watch Robert Picardo is in it and this is also reason enough to watch It's a dumb, dumb movie but a very fun one. Also, I've started a full rewatch of all trek and am almost done with S1 of ENT for the first time since it originally aired. I don't get the hate. It's aggressively bland and isn't trying new things at ALL, but it's not bad. It's better than a large chunk of Voyager and early/late TNG. It has a wonderful aesthetic and design, though, even if the CG ranges from bad to lackluster. Double also it has Jeffrey Combs and no one can hate what he touches.
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Enterprise ranges from boring to pretty good. I don't know if it ever gets really bad like Voyager does. Also, the borg queen was just stupid and was made even more stupid by Voyager. The whole point of the Borg is that they are all one consciousness and there is no individual. Hugh was crazy because he became a sentient borg, then Lore grabbed some more of them. Why the hell do they need the queen? The fact that they needed her was proof that the collective didn't work.
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My head-cannon was always that the Queen (in First Contact, anyway) was supposed to be an embodiment of the collective in individual form. Like some sort of experiment in creating an individual form for the hive mind that ran concurrent with the Locutus episode. Then Voyager kind of hosed with that by having her give verbal orders to drones implying she was just some sort of big boss woman Borg.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm not sure why they wouldn't just use those cool Andorian prosthetics from Enterprise unless Paramount chucked them all in the garbage Studios don't leave stuff lying around for a decade or more on the off chance they might need it. That stuff was either binned or put up for auction.
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cenotaph posted:Studios don't leave stuff lying around for a decade or more on the off chance they might need it. That stuff was either binned or put up for auction. See, you say that, but Firefly reused the armor from Starship Troopers.
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WampaLord posted:See, you say that, but Firefly reused the armor from Starship Troopers. So did Power Rangers!
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Shows what I know. Although trek has a history of prop auctions. And paramount isn't involved in the new show.
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Certain things are kept around if they could be useful in other projects. What use are andorian ears when Star Trek is dead?
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Star Trek Porn Edit: I should say more Star Trek Porn. Sasha Grey 
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cenotaph posted:Studios don't leave stuff lying around for a decade or more on the off chance they might need it. That stuff was either binned or put up for auction. There was actually a huge auction several years ago that had all kinds of random poo poo dating back to the early movies. Like display panels from Spacedock from Star Trek 3 or 4, Chekov's huge ear from Star Trek 2, the closeup model section of the torpedo tubes from ST2/3, a whole lot of costume poo poo. So, yeah, Paramount actually did keep a bunch of poo poo around for well over a decade. EDIT: That said yeah there was that huge auction and it probably included any Andorian prosthetics that weren't already deemed too gross or worn out to throw away.
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Those just kinda look like placeholder antennae anyway, I'm sure the real ones will look better and move like on Enterprise.
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