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Having it take place in the 80s or 90s would have been pretty cool. I did find it weird that almost everything about the setting would have felt more real 20 years ago. I haven't even thought about Nazi punks since I was in high school.
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Aug 8, 2016 07:28
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I'm actually really glad they didn't set it in the 80's or 90's.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I'm actually really glad they didn't set it in the 80's or 90's. Same
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Aug 8, 2016 14:34
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Not only would it have been gratuitous, but it's a better aesthetic anyway, as huge swaths of the rural and semi-rural US just don't keep up with trends like city folk do.
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Aug 8, 2016 14:40
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Nazism is alive and well in the US, look at the Donald Trump.
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Aug 8, 2016 14:41
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Oregon is still heinously racist, and it was incredibly believable set in the current day.
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Aug 8, 2016 15:01
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Relevant: here's Rob Fish of 108 at This Is Hardcore the other night giving a speech about how the fascism of the late '80s/early '90s hardcore scene moved underground https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zpB1wkuEmU
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Aug 8, 2016 15:23
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Like, the entire point of the movie is that they're in the middle of nowhere in a little club in the boonies that they didn't even know about. They actually kind of acted taken aback at the fact that skinhead neo-Nazi punks were still very much A Thing. I don't think it would've worked as well in an era where the white power skins were just kind of mixed in with the scene.
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Aug 8, 2016 17:23
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I didn't think it was unbelievable because it was set in modern day, but I do think the story would have felt more at home in around 1995.
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Aug 8, 2016 20:51
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King Vidiot posted:Like, the entire point of the movie is that they're in the middle of nowhere in a little club in the boonies that they didn't even know about. They actually kind of acted taken aback at the fact that skinhead neo-Nazi punks were still very much A Thing. I don't think it would've worked as well in an era where the white power skins were just kind of mixed in with the scene. yeah that it's a weird little isolated cult compound kinda deal is sort of the point, that's why Darcy's able to exert such total control. they're not just run of the mill rear end in a top hat gangsters, they're these bizarre throwbacks who're particularly dangerous because they're so far out of touch with the rest of the world. IDK how plausible nazi skins bumming around the woods of Oregon is but they definitely called to mind some of the real shitholes here in the South where the Klan is still a big deal and that lurching sense of 'oh gently caress this is one of those towns' you get passing through A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Aug 8, 2016 |
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Aug 8, 2016 21:21
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:yeah that it's a weird little isolated cult compound kinda deal is sort of the point, that's why Darcy's able to exert such total control. they're not just run of the mill rear end in a top hat gangsters, they're these bizarre throwbacks who're particularly dangerous because they're so far out of touch with the rest of the world. IDK how plausible nazi skins bumming around the woods of Oregon is but they definitely called to mind some of the real shitholes here in the South where the Klan is still a big deal and that lurching sense of 'oh gently caress this is one of those towns' you get passing through Small towns in the South are way more likely to be controlled by various organized crime offshoots these days. And the vast majority of them are non-white, which makes the irony almost palpable.
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yeah, but there's drug dealers in every town and they're like recognizably part of the world we live in. little more offputting when you stop for gas and realize there's a chance if you're wearing the wrong thing you might get murdered by some redneck hills have eyes 1840s motherfucker and nobody from the 21st century ever gonna know.
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One of the guys who came to the crane training school I work at had 1/3 of his neck taken up by a Confederate flag tattoo and he had at least 5 swastikas visible along his arms. I Googled him afterward and found that he was part of American Front, a major (and very scary) white supremacist organization. An undercover police officer had infiltrated them and found that they had a compound in St. Cloud, Florida where they got a fellow white supremacist in the National Guard to train them in weapons handling and military tactics, illegally acquired guns, and plotted to use hidden weapons to attack an anti-racist skinhead protest as part of the opening battles in a race war. The undercover officer overheard plans (some of which were followed up on) to seek out and hospitalize other white supremacists who dissed them, or forcibly confiscate the patches of members who didn't pay their dues. The account by the officer in the affidavit gets pretty drat scary toward the end. The leader calls a meeting at the compound and announces that they have reason to suspect that they've got a mole, and immediately demands that everyone hand over their phones and SIM cards to be examined and smashed. They started noticing that the actual mole was looking nervous, and begin making veiled threats toward him and lots of nasty glares when they talk about cops. He realized that he was close to being blown and called in the cops, but last I heard they lacked enough solid evidence to lock the group away for good. Certainly not enough to keep a guy from showing up and certifying with us. Crazy Neo-Nazis with guns are still very much around and planning.
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I should have said it wasn't just the Nazis. The band in general felt like something that would have been more at home in the 90s. It was kind of addressed that they were out of the norm for a modern band, but still a lot of the story felt like 1994 with cell phones. Basically there was just a lot of stuff about the movie that would have been a lot more commonplace 20 years ago than today. I don't know why everyone is feeling the need to prove Neo Nazis still exist because I don't doubt it. And I don't think that it taking place now really took much if anything away from the movie. Just more of an observation that it would have worked really well in that time frame.
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because sentences like thisNESguerilla posted:The band in general felt like something that would have been more at home in the 90s. It was kind of addressed that they were out of the norm for a modern band, but still a lot of the story felt like 1994 with cell phones.
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Isn't part of why The Ain't Rights (I just got that pun) aren't doing well financially is that it's 2016 and there isn't a big demand for garage punk bands anymore?
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was there ever a big demand for garage punk bands? I think that's always a thing that by definition involved a heavy amount of spanging and riding the rails
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Yeah it was addressed at the beginning. I guess my point is that the way their tour went was a really believable portrayal of a no name punk band from 20 years ago on tour, and yeah their sound would have been way more prevalent then too. As someone who went on tour with my friends lovely bands when I was like 20 it felt really familiar. Calling some random "promoter" dude, the show not working out, getting shuffled around and trying to find a place to play and probably playing a basement. They kind of had to explain away social media since that's how bands operate today. Like I said earlier, I'm not saying it was a flaw in the movie it just would have fit perfectly into that era, moreso than 2016 probably. It's not like there was anything about the movie that couldn't take place now. I was initially just agreeing with the person that said it felt like it was written in the 90's and was updated to be modern. Edit : and also in regards to the Neo Nazis, I'm not saying that nazi punks don't exist anymore, but once again that was something that was a big deal to people in the 90's that has sort of faded into the background. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Aug 8, 2016 |
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Coffee And Pie posted:Isn't part of why The Ain't Rights (I just got that pun) aren't doing well financially is that it's 2016 and there isn't a big demand for garage punk bands anymore? Hardcore punk bands have never done particularly well financially I agree with most of what NES is saying, and I too don't really think it's a flaw in the movie. Like I said, it does definitely feel like something that was written in the '90s and then updated to present day, but that gives it a lot of charm. Like Phone Booth, but way better. Plus the whole lack of social media presence serves a dual purpose of establishing the Ain't Rights early on as underdogs. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Aug 8, 2016 |
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I think what he's saying is that they didn't seem like the lovely rear end indie punk bands that actually exist right now, and that the mid-90s had better lovely rear end indie punk bands. And I more or less agree, actual regular punk bands are kind of a quaint anachronism in a lot of places these days, there's a lot more "-punk", like folk-punk or thrash-punk or crust-punk etc. Like I actually can't remember the last time I saw an indie punk band that wasn't playing (nothing but) covers. It's been years at least, and I go to a ton of shows. But that just maybe the areas I've been to, which are primarily limited to middle Tennessee, NYC, and California (both SF and Southern) And I also think all that anachronism was probably the filmmaker's intent anyway...
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precision posted:I think what he's saying is that they didn't seem like the lovely rear end indie punk bands that actually exist right now, and that the mid-90s had better lovely rear end indie punk bands. I don't think that's what he's saying at all, it's just a different climate. Frankly, people who aren't keyed into that scene will probably not notice that stuff in the movie at all. But people who are may have a brief moment of "hmm, nah." Which, as far as flaws go, is extremely minor, especially given how much the movie gets right.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I don't think that's what he's saying at all, it's just a different climate. Frankly, people who aren't keyed into that scene will probably not notice that stuff in the movie at all. But people who are may have a brief moment of "hmm, nah." Which, as far as flaws go, is extremely minor, especially given how much the movie gets right. Yeah, this. Maybe I'm sounding more vague than I'm intending to, because it's all little subtitles that brought me back to a scene I was into back when I was younger, which made it taking place in 2016 feel a bit off. It might not even be something that most people noticed or cared about when watching it. I haven't checked, but I'd be willing to bet the writer/director is about the same age as me and was into the same type of scene back in high school. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Aug 8, 2016 |
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precision posted:I think what he's saying is that they didn't seem like the lovely rear end indie punk bands that actually exist right now, and that the mid-90s had better lovely rear end indie punk bands. The DC area has a very active hardcore scene and a constantly shifting rotation of short-lived basement clubs but yeah I've seen what west coast punk looks like these days and nazis would be an improvement A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Aug 9, 2016 |
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Aug 9, 2016 00:11
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:The DC area has a very active hardcore scene and a constantly shifting rotation of short-lived basement clubs If nobody else does, DC drat well better.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:but yeah I've seen what west coast punk looks like these days and nazis would be an improvement I mean, I'm just saying, at least Skrewdriver knew how to write a song!
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say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, dude, at least they don't use ukeleles
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Coffee And Pie posted:Isn't part of why The Ain't Rights (I just got that pun) aren't doing well financially is that it's 2016 and there isn't a big demand for garage punk bands anymore? They also intentionally eschew any social media presence in favor of doing things the old fashioned way, which just makes it impossible for their music to get beyond a handful of people. Which, like NESguerilla said, was probably written in for a script that's existed since before bands started using Myspace and later Facebook and YouTube to get noticed.
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chitoryu12 posted:...An undercover police officer had infiltrated them and found that they had a compound in St. Cloud, Florida where they got a fellow white supremacist in the National Guard to train them in weapons handling and military tactics, illegally acquired guns, and plotted to use hidden weapons to attack an anti-racist skinhead protest as part of the opening battles in a race war. The undercover officer overheard plans (some of which were followed up on) to seek out and hospitalize other white supremacists who dissed them, or forcibly confiscate the patches of members who didn't pay their dues. Is this what that Daniel Radcliffe neo-nazi movie coming out is about? It says it's based on a true story. Back on topic, Green Room was loving great. Reading through this thread helped me get some of the plot intricacies down, but I think the lack of clarity in the neo nazis' motivations/plans actually helps draw you into the movie. It puts you into the same situation as the protagonists, wondering "why are they doing this?" and making it harder to predict what they'll do next
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DoctorG0nzo posted:Is this what that Daniel Radcliffe neo-nazi movie coming out is about? It says it's based on a true story. Not to my knowledge (Imperium is about a dirty bomb rather than attacking protests), but it's not the first time that kind of thing happened. It looks to be downright common for undercover officers to infiltrate white supremacist groups. Here's the affidavit detailing everything. Yes, the candidate I proctored for and personally helped out with customer service is named in that affidavit; I'll leave it ambiguous who it is just to protect which company I work for. It's a pretty scary look into the state of modern white supremacist groups.
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chitoryu12 posted:One of the guys who came to the crane training school I work at had 1/3 of his neck taken up by a Confederate flag tattoo and he had at least 5 swastikas visible along his arms. I Googled him afterward and found that he was part of American Front, a major (and very scary) white supremacist organization. An undercover police officer had infiltrated them and found that they had a compound in St. Cloud, Florida where they got a fellow white supremacist in the National Guard to train them in weapons handling and military tactics, illegally acquired guns, and plotted to use hidden weapons to attack an anti-racist skinhead protest as part of the opening battles in a race war. The undercover officer overheard plans (some of which were followed up on) to seek out and hospitalize other white supremacists who dissed them, or forcibly confiscate the patches of members who didn't pay their dues. Pretty hyped for this movie actually. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3lFBq7_CPk
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chitoryu12 posted:Not to my knowledge (Imperium is about a dirty bomb rather than attacking protests), but it's not the first time that kind of thing happened. It looks to be downright common for undercover officers to infiltrate white supremacist groups. Here's the affidavit detailing everything. Yes, the candidate I proctored for and personally helped out with customer service is named in that affidavit; I'll leave it ambiguous who it is just to protect which company I work for. It's a pretty scary look into the state of modern white supremacist groups. Thanks for the link. That's really interesting, and I feel it's relevant to the interests of anyone who enjoyed Green Room. ruddiger posted:Pretty hyped for this movie actually. So am I. Interesting subject matter, looks intense. Daniel Radcliffe hasn't blown me away yet, but he did good with a messy movie in Horns and was really fun to watch in Swiss Army Man, although Paul Dano had the real "acting" weight in that one. DoctorG0nzo fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Aug 11, 2016 |
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chitoryu12 posted:Not to my knowledge (Imperium is about a dirty bomb rather than attacking protests), but it's not the first time that kind of thing happened. It looks to be downright common for undercover officers to infiltrate white supremacist groups. Here's the affidavit detailing everything. Yes, the candidate I proctored for and personally helped out with customer service is named in that affidavit; I'll leave it ambiguous who it is just to protect which company I work for. It's a pretty scary look into the state of modern white supremacist groups. Is it normal for your company to hire known white-supremacists? I'm not trying to start an argument about it, I'm genuinely curious as to why the guy didn't have a harder time getting the job. Edit: Oh I see now, its a certification company. So its possible the guy never got an actual job working cranes.
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Basebf555 posted:Is it normal for your company to hire known white-supremacists? I'm not trying to start an argument about it, I'm genuinely curious as to why the guy didn't have a harder time getting the job. Yeah, we just do safety training and accredited certification for crane operators. The guy literally wears his politics on his sleeve (and neck), but you couldn't exactly stop training racists in the construction industry without grinding the whole thing to a halt. There were a lot of looks of trepidation around him and he did seem taken aback when told that he would have to talk to a customer service girl with a very African-American game, but otherwise we didn't know until he showed up. I did let the owner know after I got curious and Googled his name, figuring that anyone with so much overt Nazi symbolism had to have done something awful in the past. I wasn't expecting domestic terrorism. So yeah, the villains of Green Room are alive and well. I even located their compound on Google Earth. They're getting training from white supremacists who join the military and beating up their own guys for dissing them. Undercover cops and turncoats are some of the best ways to keep them from doing awful poo poo.
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DoctorG0nzo posted:So am I. Interesting subject matter, looks intense. Daniel Radcliffe hasn't blown me away yet I thought he was quite excellent as young Allen Ginsberg in Kill Your Darlings. Though he's not the best part of that film, he's close to it.
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quote:Others have reported that FAELLA is experiencing [sic] with attempting to make RICIN Oh holy poo poo 
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XIII posted:The idea basically WAS conceived a decade or more ago, as said by the director in that podcast episode linked earlier in the thread (btw, thanks to whoever posted it. I've really been enjoying it) Can you repost the link to this?
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precision posted:I thought he was quite excellent as young Allen Ginsberg in Kill Your Darlings. Though he's not the best part of that film, he's close to it. poo poo, been meaning to watch this forever and I hadn't even known he was in it. I'm just interested in the Beats a lot. Definitely gotta check it out
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omg chael crash posted:Can you repost the link to this? http://www.theqandapodcast.com/2016/04/jeremy-saulnier-green-room-q.html?m=1
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chitoryu12 posted:Not to my knowledge (Imperium is about a dirty bomb rather than attacking protests), but it's not the first time that kind of thing happened. It looks to be downright common for undercover officers to infiltrate white supremacist groups. Here's the affidavit detailing everything. Yes, the candidate I proctored for and personally helped out with customer service is named in that affidavit; I'll leave it ambiguous who it is just to protect which company I work for. It's a pretty scary look into the state of modern white supremacist groups. Haha that penned-in "R: White" is perfect.
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