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Mr. Nemo posted:
We were hearing voices, hallucinating a trippy evil shark monster, and had the worst case of the munchies imaginable. I think we already know how high we were.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:We were hearing voices, hallucinating a trippy evil shark monster, and had the worst case of the munchies imaginable. I think we already know how high we were. Adding to my vote that we ask one of our mihgty balls to spend 20 years cooking up the best weed ever. Diog, does Enkidel get high when smoking whatever ish smokes or is it like alcohol in that it doesn't affect him?
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Aug 14, 2016 02:10
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Lead out in cuffs posted:We were hearing voices, hallucinating a trippy evil shark monster, and had the worst case of the munchies imaginable. I think we already know how high we were. Hella. 
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Aug 14, 2016 02:11
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Lead out in cuffs posted:We were hearing voices, hallucinating a trippy evil shark monster, and had the worst case of the munchies imaginable. I think we already know how high we were. Plus, in serious talk, we were a 5 year old kid currently in a situation way the gently caress over our head on several levels. Our perspective would be skewed to begin with, so we probably THOUGHT we were way high up, because by scrawny child standards, we were. By 8' tall superhuman standards, we were high up, but not unmanageably so.
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Aug 14, 2016 02:31
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BEI +1 More kids idea, if Naomi is interested. Maybe more than one? I know sons are more valued in this hyper-masculine society, but Naomi wanted an actual girl. And since we turned Ruth into
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Aug 14, 2016 02:53
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the_steve posted:Plus, in serious talk, we were a 5 year old kid currently in a situation way the gently caress over our head on several levels. Our perspective would be skewed to begin with, so we probably THOUGHT we were way high up, because by scrawny child standards, we were. By 8' tall superhuman standards, we were high up, but not unmanageably so. We were 11 when the Zepathans came to town and we flew through the air. It was Danal who was 6. We saw what we saw, and Ish did some pretty crazy poo poo with the lightning. Maybe he isn't immortal, maybe he doesn't have wings, but he's still holding his cards close.
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Aug 14, 2016 02:58
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TacoNight posted:We were 11 when the Zepathans came to town and we flew through the air. It was Danal who was 6. I don't doubt that at all either. He obviously has access to tricks that other Blooded guys can't use, and he's already admitted there is stuff that even Tudiya isnt authorized to know despite the fact that he's freaking Tudiya.
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Aug 14, 2016 03:01
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TacoNight posted:We were 11 when the Zepathans came to town and we flew through the air. It was Danal who was 6. Ish pretty clearly isn't your average mighty dude. Regular mighty dudes can't cause flowers to grow from stone benches, or turn parts of that flower to stone and shatter said bench. They probably also can't put people into stasis for eternities, or do magic vasectomies, or cap someone's power at a specific level. If we can't see that he has wings, either he doesn't have them, or he can hide them even from us. He clearly knows more about the world and the workings of whatever we are, Nephilim/Rephaim/whatever, and speaks to the melachim probably at least as often as we do. I think during the most recent set of Q and A he confirmed that he is not what we are, but he must be something similar. If "lesser beings" can't see our wings, and the same holds true for Ish, either we're lesser and can't see them, or what might have happened is that he gave them up so as to avoid the exact sort of worship that he is worried will happen to us. Also, Diog, a question. Iron isn't worked as a metal in Ur, so how will Ish's knife/spork be rusty? Ish, what's rust? Olothreutes fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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Aug 14, 2016 03:22
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Olothreutes posted:I think during the most recent set of Q and A he confirmed that he is not what we are, but he must be something similar. If "lesser beings" can't see our wings, and the same holds true for Ish, either we're lesser and can't see them, or what might have happened is that he gave them up so as to avoid the exact sort of worship that he is worried will happen to us. That's a good point. Ishamal might have "removed" his wings, or stopped them from appearing at some point. Enkidel could regrow his body from nearly nothing, it wouldn't be far fetched for a more powerful being to modify their body at will. We know Melachim can appear in different forms, Azz did it before our eyes!
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Aug 14, 2016 03:31
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If Ish isn't a nephilim, couldn't he be the talmid of a particularly powerful one? What if he's not like us, but instead to Zepa like Paebel is to us?
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Aug 14, 2016 03:38
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Maybe 'spawn' is the son of a talmid? Sort of a proxy child for the nephilim. That's why the 'grandsons' established all the cities while Labaras and his 'sons' stayed in Baitel. Also explains why people are trying to prevent our balls from having kids with possible worshippers and why someone might have sterilised Paebel.
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Aug 14, 2016 03:41
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Yeah, we've seen pretty strong evidence that for a Melachim /Nephilim and perhaps even the strongly blooded, one's form can be altered relatively easily. In addition to the stuff that we saw during the incidents that were retconned, where it was clear that we could become literally anything (with the form affecting our personality however), there's been plenty of more mundane examples too. We've been altered to have only 5 fingers, for example, and Chait has almost certainly made himself far smaller and less noticible than what his true form would likely be. I have little doubt that Ishamal could manifest wings if he wanted to, but he cares a lot about the rules and it's fairly clear that wings in Ur/Zepath is a major no-no.
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Aug 14, 2016 03:41
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Actually, relevant question for Ish: Is there any chance that Indra could detect that Paebel's memory has been modified?
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Aug 14, 2016 03:45
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What's Amok going to think next time he mind scans us? That we're melachim chump bootlickers, that's what. gj everyone. the thought police are now altering memories.
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Aug 14, 2016 03:48
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Altering his memory is fine, why are people salting so hard over this?
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Aug 14, 2016 04:24
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Tsyni posted:What's Amok going to think next time he mind scans us? That we're melachim chump bootlickers, that's what. gj everyone. the thought police are now altering memories.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:26
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JT Jag posted:Oh, good logic, worry about a different thought police instead No you see, it was fine that Amok mindraped us, because he gave us a couple answers and wings, and it totally justifies that gross violation.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:28
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I'm not really seeing the advantage of wings that we can never use without four months travel south. I kind of wonder about Amok's motive for sticking them on Enkidel. Who's to say that even is our 'natural' form in the first place? Body shape is fairly alterable at a certain power level (with attendant changes in mindset). Question for Diogenes: Can Enkidel perceive any difference in the way he thinks about the world or other people since he received the wings compared to before? Question for Ishamal: Can you (or whoever) safely remove my wings?
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Aug 14, 2016 04:32
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TheCog posted:No you see, it was fine that Amok mindraped us, because he gave us a couple answers and wings, and it totally justifies that gross violation. Your right, but at least he gave us something, and he was honest about everything. As far as he was concerned he had every right to do it. Not an excuse but at least a more acceptable rational.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:34
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I'm honestly willing to believe Ish is just that old, and therefore has Elder level powers that other people just can't access anymore. Now, maybe someone/thing is extending his lifespan, or maybe he's just that determined not to climb the mountain yet. Either way, I do believe he's just really old and Blooded
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Aug 14, 2016 04:35
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rex monday posted:Question for Ishamal: Can you (or whoever) safely remove my wings? Seconding this question. I'm really curious if the nature of the wings would effect the ability of say..Jael + Company..to surgically remove them.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:36
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There's also something about Zepath where really old badasses just go there to chill later in life. Remember Chait? Wasn't he like a King in another city? Dude makes bows in a backwater now.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:37
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rex monday posted:I'm not really seeing the advantage of wings that we can never use without four months travel south. I kind of wonder about Amok's motive for sticking them on Enkidel. Who's to say that even is our 'natural' form in the first place? Body shape is fairly alterable at a certain power level (with attendant changes in mindset). It was hinted that they were natural when our body tried to regenerate them after Tanaach. Ish seems to now accept that they are indeed part of us and not some addition. We won't use them day-to-day right now, and they won't get in the way at all (they will probably go unnoticed in the story except for possibly votes whether to break the rules under various circumstances. The biggest thing is the knowledge about who we are, but the wings will likely come in handy sometime in the far future and it will be good to practice with them when we have the chance.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:40
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No to trying to remove the wings. Even if we can't use them here and now, it's better to have them int he future and not need them than to end up in some far-away niche situation where they would be the difference between death and exile and not have them because we were cowards.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:41
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Guys, remember how, back when Ish had the talk about sterilizing us, he said it had to be done then or else there'd be nothing anyone could do about it, as eventually our body would just reverse any attempts to
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Aug 14, 2016 04:44
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Considering Ish's Rather I think the powers that be remember the giant shitstorm that occurred last time they took away our wings are are, wisely, choosing not to die on this particular hill again with Enkindel
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Aug 14, 2016 04:48
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Probably because we alone degree then without the knowledge of how to hide them. They would have been obvious to everyone so removal was the only option. Our brush with true power or whatever made them grow as they should be and won't be an issue unless we make them one. e: plus walking back from a true cataclysm with wings would have made everyone start worshipping us immediately.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:51
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I think Ish straight up said that we're being allowed to keep them this time on the word of a higher authority who has basically relented on the wings standpoint.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:52
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I don't have any real desire to remove them, I just want to know if it's possible to do now in the same way that Jael + Co used after Tanaach.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:55
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TacoNight posted:It was hinted that they were natural when our body tried to regenerate them after Tanaach. Ish seems to now accept that they are indeed part of us and not some addition. It was also hinted that Enkidel was subconsciously trying to grow wings during his regeneration because that's what he wanted/thought he was. I'm not buying this thing that Amok just gave us what us natural to us. He rewired our body so we'd look like him specifically. His conception of what a nephilim is includes wings and getting worshipped as a god. I'm pretty sure with the right power and circumstance (leaving our body in retcon #1) we could take any shape we wanted to. Different shapes affect our mind differently. Take notice of the "lesser beings" language. This has been used twice now. Our wings of course. And the Laurels, which we created/chose/whatever after we were altered against our will by Amok. After thinking about it tonight I've really turned around on Amok. The guy violated our both our mind and body without asking. Just because he let some info slip that didn't matter to him and just so happened to alter our body in a way that lined up with the desires of some posters we give him a pass? He did everything some folks constantly accuse Ishamal and the Melachim of doing but blatantly and without asking or apologizing. rex monday fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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Aug 14, 2016 04:54
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 What if whatever was undone that gave us wings also undid our vasectomy or whatever sterilization we underwent? Let's make our OWN babies!!!
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Aug 14, 2016 05:18
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Ultimate Mango posted:
You're disgusting
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Aug 14, 2016 05:43
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Well, it would solve the question of is Tudiya against interbreeding between Urban's and non urians for basic racist reasons or is there something more. And also be almost Trump level grossness.
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Aug 14, 2016 05:53
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Grognan posted:Altering his memory is fine, why are people salting so hard over this? There is only one person salting hard.
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Aug 14, 2016 06:12
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Outrail posted:Well, it would solve the question of is Tudiya against interbreeding between Urban's and non urians for basic racist reasons or is there something more. We should totally watch a non-Urain give birth to see if the ensoulment thing happens with them too. Nearly everything that Kadnomin guy in Baitel talked about became relevant, this shouldn't be different (Kadmonim believe souls develop in the womb, not at first breath). I bet that it really is something unique to Ur, some sort of soul recycling that was set up (note that Kadmonim dude also told Enkidel about reincarnation, he was basically a goldmine of info we weren't equipped to interpret yet). Edit: It also fits stuff from Judah game, and what we saw at Amok's tomb. Blue orb in the sky is gone, people are so messed up by this entire empires collapse. Enkidel feels a visceral wrongness when he sees soul-stuff fade from fresh corpses (visceral wrongness being the one standard we're supposed to use to tell Jael to gently caress off). Mt. Har, which is something new to an old timer like Amok, draws in souls at death, then at birth pulses and sends something out. Meanwhile the Kadmonim, who turned out to have been right about a whole bunch of other stuff, believe reincarnation is the natural state of the world. Judah the necromancer, an Urian mighty boy, feels that whatever is going on with dead people is an endless journey to nowhere. It seems pretty clear by now Mt. Har was made as a poor replacement for whatever natural cycle of reincarnation used to exist. Blue orb god left for some reason and now everyone is pretty much just waiting around for the Apocalypse. Algid fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Aug 14, 2016 06:17
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rex monday posted:It was also hinted that Enkidel was subconsciously trying to grow wings during his regeneration because that's what he wanted/thought he was. I'm not buying this thing that Amok just gave us what us natural to us. He rewired our body so we'd look like him specifically. His conception of what a nephilim is includes wings and getting worshipped as a god. I'm pretty sure with the right power and circumstance (leaving our body in retcon #1) we could take any shape we wanted to. Different shapes affect our mind differently. lol ok
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Aug 14, 2016 06:54
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1) B 2) G, E but when they ask "Why" add something about us almost unlocking something that needed to stay locked. 3) J. I, with regrets. Try to placate our guilt by asking Paebel if he'd ever be willing to forget something if we asked him to forget it. When he asks what or why tell him having to ask the balls for secrecy has given us a lot to think about. 4) Question: Is Ishamel a fan of musicals?
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Aug 14, 2016 09:54
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rex monday posted:After thinking about it tonight I've really turned around on Amok. The guy violated our both our mind and body without asking. Just because he let some info slip that didn't matter to him and just so happened to alter our body in a way that lined up with the desires of some posters we give him a pass? He did everything some folks constantly accuse Ishamal and the Melachim of doing but blatantly and without asking or apologizing. LOL. Reading our minds for expediency and fixing our body from mutililation without asking is hardly good. But the results were completely positive. We found out a bunch of new information, had our body restored to us and gained a new ally. He could have been nicer about it, but it was hardly Hitler. You know what is Hitler? - Forcing you to get castrated after having your friends and family threatened with death - Getting our wings and extra fingers chopped off by creatures trying to do so while we were deathly ill, and then threatening to kill us if we didn't accept their request - Literal MIND WIPING without permission - Magical rape - Slavery - Witch burning - Hatred of any and all innovation
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Slaan posted:LOL. Reading our minds for expediency and fixing our body from mutililation without asking is hardly good. But the results were completely positive. We found out a bunch of new information, had our body restored to us and gained a new ally. He could have been nicer about it, but it was hardly Hitler. Dont forget the same things that mutilated us wouldn't lift a finger to save Tanaach from the doom.
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Slaan posted:You know what is Hitler? Holy poo poo I didn't think even you were THIS stupid
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