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It's pretty standard procedure for seaplanes to make a low pass over lakes to look for obstructions and to warn people to get the gently caress out of the way. Also I find it absolutely laughable that you would critique the pilot instead of the clowns who put themselves directly in danger. Go ahead and post if you have Bombardier 415 time and let me know whether or not you think that approach met the appropriateness of the situation.
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He cleared an obstacle by some minute fraction of a second. That will always be a safety of flight issue.
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Aug 15, 2016 18:39
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My uncle flies CL415s and (jointly with his co pilot) holds the world record for the most loads of water collected and dropped onto a fire on a single fuel load. Should I ask him what he thinks of that approach?
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Aug 15, 2016 18:45
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Dudes by the shore were not the issue. Clearing the cement/rock bartier by less than a foot is the issue. Hit a person might dent the plane, hit that cement will destroy that plane at the speed he was approaching
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Aug 15, 2016 18:48
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Only if he also is a Transportation Safety Board of Canada (Bureau de la sécurité des transports du Canada) inspector!
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Sagebrush posted:My uncle flies CL415s and (jointly with his co pilot) holds the world record for the most loads of water collected and dropped onto a fire on a single fuel load. Yes absolutely! Record his reaction while watching the YouTube video!
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Aug 15, 2016 18:49
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Here's another example of terrible bystanders. Approach looks solid. 
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Captain Apollo posted:Here's another example of terrible bystanders. Approach looks solid. Lets say its a land based aircraft. You, as an FAA certified flight instructor, would say "great landing, don't change a thing!" if your student came within a wheel's length of hitting a sea wall on final?
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hobbesmaster posted:Lets say its a land based aircraft. You, as an FAA certified flight instructor, would say "great landing, don't change a thing!" if your student came within a wheel's length of hitting a sea wall on final? OhsH posted:That's Our Apollo! (TM)
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I'm sure Asiana is always hiring western check pilots.
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Captain Apollo posted:Go ahead and post if you have Bombardier 415 time follow your own advice, friendo I'm sure you think you are very clever, but you're really not. sorry to break this news to you that your gimmick is showing. Psion fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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hobbesmaster posted:I'm sure Asiana is always hiring western check pilots. Beat me to it.
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To answer some points: - Yes, they were fighting fire. The plane did not dive into the lake because it was on vacations and wanted to go for a swim. - Yes, it was very windy. - Yes, the approach was too low. - Yes, the wind is partly the cause of the pilot flying lower than intended.
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Edit: Nevermind, Terrible Robot said everything first.
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I don't fly much, but I've been flying a bit more over the past year for work. I would say that fewer than 40% of the flights I've been on are anywhere near approaching on-time. Today was fun. Had a flight on American Airlines that was departing at 3:30. It was a work trip and we were leaving from our office. Well, right as soon as I was about to walk out the door, I get an alert (and then a few minutes later, a call) from AA saying the flight was delayed to 4:30. Ok, a little extra breathing room, which was nice because it was pouring outside. Figure I would wait 20 minutes or so for the rain to subside and then head out. I then get another alert and call saying the flight was delayed to 4:50. Ok, fine. I leave about 25 minutes later and hit some unexpected traffic on the way out due to an accident and waves of torrential downpours that keep going through. I then get another alert from AA. Flight snapped back to 3:30 with boarding at 3. Holy poo poo, that's not good. I park at 2:40, sprint to the shuttle and run to security. Fortunately the alternate checkpoint had fewer people at it and I make it through in about 10 minutes. Still though, I didn't get to the gate until about 3:12. There I find that people are still getting off the plane. We finally get in the air around 4pm (which had no relation to any of the myriad of departure times I had gotten that afternoon.) The flight was only an hour and uneventful. We land in Charlotte. Captain gets on the intercom and says "Folks, we got a line of about 30 planes in front of us waiting to get to the gates, it could be awhile." We were waiting to cross a runway, but the intersection was blocked by a line of other planes. Eventually, someone must have gotten on the radio because I saw two of the planes move about 20 feet forward JUUUUST enough to let us through to cross the runway. It was amusing because it looked exactly like cars squishing together in an intersection to try to prevent gridlock. Captain gets on the horn again "Folks, I can see our gate now, so that's good news. Unfortunatly, there's still a plane there. So, we're going to have to sit here until they leave." Time passes "I got on the phone with the company and let them know we've been on the ground for 40 minutes now and they're trying to find us something." Time passes "We got an alternate gate, on the other side of the airport, we'll have you guys off soon." We finally get to the gate, and we're sitting there. "Folks, we just waiting for someone to hook us up here. Just be a few more minutes." Ten minutes pass. "We're going to have to shutdown the engines, hook up to a cart, and push off from this gate. We're unfortunately too long for this gate and we're in the way." (this was an A321.) We go in reverse for a bit, the cart disconnects and we start the engines again. "Everyone, we have a new gate and we're headed there now." We taxi back to the other side of the airport again. We get right up to the terminal. "Folks, you can't make this stuff up. We're 5 feet away from getting you off this plane, but there was a lightening strike and the ramp is closed." About a minute passes. All the while, the plane keeps inching forward bit by bit like someone waiting for a light to change. "We just nosed our way in here and we got them to hook us up, so you guys can get off the plane." I had no real agenda after I landed for the remainder of the day, so I just found it a bit amusing. People on connecting flights did not. What I do know is it was an exhausting afternoon for what ultimately amounted to about 56 minutes in the air. I think we beat driving from Pittsburgh to Charlotte by maybe 2 1/2 hours if that (when factoring in travel time to and from the airport.) It's amazing this whole air tavel thing functions as well as it does. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Aug 16, 2016 |
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Captain Apollo posted:What exactly do you imagine would have happened in that conversation? Probably along the lines of "Nice flying there, Jacques. Maybe next time try to be at least eight feet above the ground, 'k?" Or if he'd killed somebody: "Well, the lives of the many outweigh the lives of the few, it's not your fault, he should have seen you coming." Captain Apollo posted:It's pretty standard procedure for seaplanes to make a low pass over lakes to look for obstructions and to warn people to get the gently caress out of the way. CommieGIR posted:Dudes by the shore were not the issue. Clearing the cement/rock bartier by less than a foot is the issue. Hit a person might dent the plane, hit that cement will destroy that plane at the speed he was approaching That sort of thing is an average Tuesday for water tanker pilots -- they make fighter pilots looks like nuns, in comparison. A solid chunk of water-bomber crashes are caused by the wings falling off. As somebody said before, they probably just replace the "PULL UP!" warning with a loop of Ace of Spades.
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Delivery McGee posted:As somebody said before, they probably just replace the "PULL UP!" warning with a loop of Ace of Spades. Requested thread title change: "My VAWS just plays Motorhead."
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Delivery McGee posted:
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It appears that the airplanes I fly have decided they don't need flaps anymore. In the last few weeks, we've had multiple reduced or zero flap landings, due to something in the flap system seeing an error and freezing the flaps somewhere between the takeoff and "up" setting. One of those landings required the complete replacement of both propellers and engines (possibly just the gearbox section), and the two airplanes that had repeated issues (one had 8 seperate incidents in about 3 weeks) have now been grounded indefinitely while Bombardier sends people out to try and figure out what the root cause of the problem is. Adding to the fun, we had two other airplanes get flooded by firefighting foam during a heavy maintenance check (a lightning strike on the hangar triggered the fire suppression system) a while back, so I'm sure our corporate overlords are loving this.
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Godholio posted:
Hi, you've just entered a [Captain Apollo] thread derail. You have died. Would you like to continue (Y)? or talk about drone regulation (N)? To argue about aircraft minutiae with [Captain Apollo] please press (T). spookykid fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Aug 16, 2016 |
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azflyboy posted:It appears that the airplanes I fly have decided they don't need flaps anymore. Propstrikes? That must have been one seriously hard flaps up landing.
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bull3964 posted:Today was fun. Can't they do stand arrivals?
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Ardeem posted:Propstrikes? That must have been one seriously hard flaps up landing. Not prop strikes, but prop overspeeds. A reduced flap landing in the Q400 can add as much as 40kt to the normal touchdown speeds, and since the propeller overspeed governors are disabled once the power levers come aft of flight idle, the airflow from that extra speed can be enough to overspeed the propellers in some situations, which requires new props and engines.
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azflyboy posted:Not prop strikes, but prop overspeeds. Aaaaaaaah. I am enlightened.
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Delivery McGee posted:Probably along the lines of "Nice flying there, Jacques. Maybe next time try to be at least eight feet above the ground, 'k?"
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bull3964 posted:The flight was only an hour and uneventful. We land in Charlotte. Captain gets on the intercom and says "Folks, we got a line of about 30 planes in front of us waiting to get to the gates, it could be awhile." THis is every flight into Charlotte when it's not 100% clear all day. That stupid airport's ground system is way over capacity. Here's a map. I work out at the "general aviation ramp" and I've seen airplanes stacked up on taxiway D from runway 23 all the way back to us, so that planes departing the GA area can't make the left turn onto D to get down to runway 36R. It's happening more often now with the weather. If we get lightning strikes within 3 miles, a warning horn sounds letting everyone know. If we get a strike on the property, a different horn sounds and everyone is required to go inside until the all clear. Thankfully, NASA has some kind of magical traffic management research center that just opened in Charlotte that's going to fix everything in the next couple of years.
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:THis is every flight into Charlotte when it's not 100% clear all day. That stupid airport's ground system is way over capacity. You guys have to wait for a strike on property for the ramp to close? Yeesh! If we have a strike within 5 miles at MCO or TPA the ramp is shut down!
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So this happened: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...k&ICID=ref_fark
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evil_bunnY posted:If the securité civile fixed wing pilots are anything like the rotary mavericks i used to know, they've had the capacity for fear precisely excised out of their brains. Well, future helicopter pilots see a whirlybird when they're like 7 years old and think to themselves "Yes, I want to die horribly," fixed-wing pilots have to be trained to accept their fate.
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Mobius1B7R posted:You guys have to wait for a strike on property for the ramp to close? Yeesh! If we have a strike within 5 miles at MCO or TPA the ramp is shut down! Meanwhile in Calgary... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/lightning-strike-calgary-airport-injuries-1.3715722
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Mobius1B7R posted:You guys have to wait for a strike on property for the ramp to close? Yeesh! If we have a strike within 5 miles at MCO or TPA the ramp is shut down! 1) The property is huge. 2) If we shut the place down for "within 5 miles" then there would be no ramp movement from 1400-1700 daily from July to September.
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bull3964 posted:I then get another alert from AA. Flight snapped back to 3:30 with boarding at 3. Holy poo poo, that's not good. Unless it's an actual schedule change (which is usually days in advance) you need to be in the gate area in time for the original flight time regardless of announced delays; the airline is going to be constantly trying to pull that departure time in, looking at substituting other aircraft or crews to make it an on-time departure or as close as possible. If you had missed the flight, AA would have said it was your fault for not being there (although you probably would have still been accommodated on the next available AA flight).
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:1) The property is huge. For MCO and TPA the daily thunderstorm window is only 1500-1630, so that kind of works out.
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:1) The property is huge. MCO's not exactly a dirt strip.  Then again, lightning capital of the world etc, might just be that the known risk of lightning hitting spot X if there's a strike 5 miles away is statistically higher here.
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Jonny Nox posted:Meanwhile in Calgary... That wasn't at the airport, it was near the airport. And frankly, anyone dumb enough to work on the metal roof of a building in the middle of a thunderstorm probably has that coming.
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Captain Apollo posted:Here's another example of terrible bystanders. Approach looks solid. How is this everyone's fault but the only two people who have any training for this circumstance whatsoever? You are ridiculous. Like, the twin towers shouldn't have been in the way of those 757s god what were they thinking.
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Comedy is dead
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Comedy timed his pratfall off the seawall wrong.
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PT6A posted:That wasn't at the airport, it was near the airport. And frankly, anyone dumb enough to work on the metal roof of a building in the middle of a thunderstorm probably has that coming. Uhh, those hangars are *on* the airport. And since they are on the federally-owned airport grounds, they must abide by Calgary Airport Authority rules, which include lightning safety protocols. Not that these guys would have even followed them in the first place; according to a friend of mine who is in management in the roofing business, these guys not only weren't following airport safety protocols, but they also weren't tied off and didn't have a site safety plan. In other words, their company is hosed seven ways to Sunday.
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Terrible Robot posted:Comedy is dead Its Apollo so you know hes serious.
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