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thebushcommander
Apr 16, 2004
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Sataere posted:

So I think I've asked this before, but I will ask again. What do you look for from a golf instructor? Should he have some sort of certification? I took lessons from this guy for a while, busted my rear end hitting balls, with barely any improvement. I want lessons, but preferably not from a charlatan.

Also, would be interested in being pointed in the direction of specialists for golf-specific workouts. Now that the season is almost over, I would really like to focus on building/rebuilding my swing. Come out next season not terrible and not constantly reverting to bad habits just to try winning a league match.

Idk about a certification, although people can become certified golf instructors (which is different than a course pro etc.) Find someone that you like first and foremost, someone you don't mind talking to etc. Maybe find someone that can take your swing and make it work for you without completely changing it? You can probably also find decent reviews of teaching pros in the area online in most places.

On the other hand some people can't be taught. I'm not saying you're that person, but maybe the guy was trying to get things across to you and not explaining in terms you could understand and reproduce? I'm about a 5 hdcp according to this grint app, and while I don't consider myself good enough to teach I can give tips to people that need them. My future brother-in-law is a loving terrible golfer, but thinks he should be awesome and doesn't "GET IT" when he tops the ball, shanks it etc. every stroke shooting a generous 138... I tried to explain to him on the tee box that his forward shaft lean and overly strong grip on a driver was incorrect (among many other things in posture, rotation, ball placement, tee height etc. the list goes on and on) and probably the source of 99% of his issues off the tee. He told me a buddy of his, that is really good at golf told him to do it like that, and I simply replied "if he told you that is a proper stance and setup for a driver then he is not good at golf." I moved him into the right position, weakened his grip slightly and low and behold he didn't hit a worm burner just a silly slice which is more or less an issue for the rest of his swing.... the very next hole he was right back to the same poo poo setup, topped the ball to the ladies tee box and looked at me and said, he did it the same way as the last hole when he clearly didn't. So I just told him to shut up. I almost wish I had video of him in a bunker as it would make even the worst golfers feel like 2001 Tiger Woods on a fucken hot streak.


As for golf-specific workouts.. No. Do general strength and core training...and do some yoga. I'll find the link, there is like a 15 minute yoga for golf routine on a website that will help a lot just on it's own for flexibility, mobility etc.

thebushcommander fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Aug 17, 2016

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daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari

NickRoweFillea posted:

Godspeed on breaking your game down and building it back up daslog

Thanks! I may be down, but I'm not ready to give up yet. I'll keep posting these until people get sick of it.

First, I think I found the issue with my putting stroke. Sank 10 4 footers in a row on the putting green and practiced some lag putting. Feeling a lot better about the flat stick. Then I decided to an experiment on the range. I would hit 10 balls with a PW, 8,7,6, 5 Hybrid, and my 4 hybrid and keep track of how the shots went.

These are in order, with no warm up balls hit.

PW - 8 good, 1 think, 1 off target to the right. 80%
8 Iron - 7 good,2 right, 1 left, 1 very low. (I then checked my alignment, made an adjustment)
7 Iron - 9 good, 1 right.
6 Iron 6 good, 2 right, 2 low shots.
5 Hybrid 4 good, 2 draws, 2 low, 1 skulled 1 right
4 Hybrid 4 good,2 fat, 1 really fat, 2 with excessive draw, 1 thin

The shots marked "Right:" or "Left" were all straight as an arrow, no fade or draw. The ones marked Draw would have landed off the fairway if I was on a course.

I think this means that I should take the 4,5, and 6 out of my bag until I can hit 9 out of 10 every time. Thoughts?

daslog fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Aug 18, 2016

Suprfli6
Jul 9, 2008

:shepface:God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title:shepface:

Yeah it's hard standing over a shot when you're holding a club that you have no confidence in.

Every now and then when I hit a terrible hybrid or 4i I take a minute to remind myself that the swing really shouldn't be that different from my PW or 9i that I hit well 95% of the time; the club will go the proper distance thanks to the loft and longer shaft and if I feel like I need to kill it, it usually won't turn out well.

EnsGDT
Nov 9, 2004

~boop boop beep motherfucker~

Suprfli6 posted:

Yeah it's hard standing over a shot when you're holding a club that you have no confidence in.

Every now and then when I hit a terrible hybrid or 4i I take a minute to remind myself that the swing really shouldn't be that different from my PW or 9i that I hit well 95% of the time; the club will go the proper distance thanks to the loft and longer shaft and if I feel like I need to kill it, it usually won't turn out well.

This is a very similar mental principle to making your swing and just letting the ball get in the way. I'm a big fan myself.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


I'm home after a few travel delays and will have a ton of pictures, recaps and all sorts of poo poo later today. Christ what a trip.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

daslog posted:


I think this means that I should take the 4,5, and 6 out of my bag until I can hit 9 out of 10 every time. Thoughts?

So, you'll just never golf again?

Seriously, if you only use clubs/attempt shots that have a 90% success, you'll be making 4' putts all the way to the green.

What do you do when you are 4 hybrid distance and your choice is 3 wood or 7 iron? You may have only a 40% chance of hitting the target with the hybrid, but you have zero with the 7 iron.

daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari

torgeaux posted:

So, you'll just never golf again?

Seriously, if you only use clubs/attempt shots that have a 90% success, you'll be making 4' putts all the way to the green.

What do you do when you are 4 hybrid distance and your choice is 3 wood or 7 iron? You may have only a 40% chance of hitting the target with the hybrid, but you have zero with the 7 iron.

Thanks for the feedback. What I want to avoid is hitting a lovely 4 hybrid that costs me additional strokes when I loving it up.

For example, hitting driver, 7 iron, 7 iron, chip, and putting on a par 5 is better than driver, 4 hybrid, drop for out of bounds, 8 iron, chip and putting.

Those shots I missed with the long irons would have been in the woods.

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

daslog posted:

Thanks for the feedback. What I want to avoid is hitting a lovely 4 hybrid that costs me additional strokes when I loving it up.

For example, hitting driver, 7 iron, 7 iron, chip, and putting on a par 5 is better than driver, 4 hybrid, drop for out of bounds, 8 iron, chip and putting.

Those shots I missed with the long irons would have been in the woods.

Yeah, you need to limit your exposure, not eliminate the club. There will be times when a bad 4 hybrid will still get you close enough for the shot into the green like the 7 iron wood. When it exposes you to hazards/OB, sure, you stay away. But hitting it in game situations is a good thing for you to practice, not just the range.

Sataere
Jul 20, 2005


Step 1: Start fight
Step 2: Attack straw man
Step 3: REPEAT

Do not engage with me




Thanks for the tip on finding someone. I will put it to good use.

I am pretty sure I can be taught. I am an insufferable know it all, but I am also very aware that I am an idiot. I just don't think the teacher was very good. I know there is a fundamental flaw in my rotation and club speed, based on how little power I have. I just want an instructor I have faith in and a solid plan in place.

One of my lady friends has been trying to get me to do yoga, so maybe I will try that. I think she suggested it because she thinks I'll be hilarious, but that just makes it a win win for everyone.

Sataere fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Aug 18, 2016

Summit
Mar 6, 2004

David wanted you to have this.

daslog posted:

Thanks for the feedback. What I want to avoid is hitting a lovely 4 hybrid that costs me additional strokes when I loving it up.

For example, hitting driver, 7 iron, 7 iron, chip, and putting on a par 5 is better than driver, 4 hybrid, drop for out of bounds, 8 iron, chip and putting.

Those shots I missed with the long irons would have been in the woods.

I'm a newb like you so take this with a grain of salt but I would advise the opposite. I always use the appropriate club for the shot because I want the in-game exposure to everything in my bag. I used to feel intimidated by anything with less loft than a 6 iron which is a terrible way to start a golf swing. Granted it was challenging at first but now that I've hit some decent shots with those clubs I have a lot more confidence selecting them. Doesn't always work out but at least if you've had exposure to those clubs you can blame it on not executing your swing plan vs. dreading the club. Nothing sabotages my swing quite like low confidence before I even step up to the ball.

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Anyone got some advice for getting good with the driver? It feels like the weakest part of my game right now. I'm typically driving around 210-230 on my straight drives which is pitifully low considering I'm only 29. Granted there's not a ton of roll where I live and it's been wet but I know I'm leaving 20-30 yards easily in just how I strike. Ball flight is way lower than it ought to be. I hit my irons nice and high but the driver I get a very penetrating ball flight. I don't know if I should be setting up differently or what. It feels comfortable to move the ball up slightly (off left toe vs left ear on irons) but beyond that I'm trying to swing the same swing. Maybe I just need more time with it. I'm using a beginner friendly Ping 10.5 driver so equipment certainly isn't the problem.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Let me preface my trip report with a few comments on travel. If you're going to the UK (or really, most places in Europe) from the USA, you're likely going through one of 3 airports: Heathrow in London, Charles de Gaulle in Paris, or Amsterdam Schiphol. I cannot recommend enough you go to Amsterdam if you have a choice. It's 7 hours from Detroit, and is far and away the best of the 3. Heathrow is largely hit and miss (and super busy, to be fair), and unless you're travelling to Paris, you're really best avoiding CDG. Until recently, your main (only?) option for flying into Scotland was to go into Edinburgh, which is a decent airport but puts you a good 3+ hour drive from the Highlands. Just a few months ago, the airport in Inverness expanded and now will accept international flights. You can get here from Amsterdam on KLM's "cityhopper" line in about 90 minutes. For the record, Amsterdam to Edinburgh is about an hour.

My Sun Mountain Clubglider has hauled my bag to and around Europe 3 times, Hawaii once, California once, and Florida several times over the 5+ years I've owned it and it is still going strong. It hasn't needed any repairs, has suffered no rips or damage, and has kept the clubs and bags its held in great shape. The legs that kick out from the bag and hold it up make it amazingly easy to get around an airport. Very much worth the investment.

OKAY LET'S GET TO THE PORN

DJEXILE DOES SCOTLAND, PART 1: WAIT, THIS PLACE IS HOW OLD?

Royal Dornoch (pronounced "DOOR-knock") is celebrating its 400th anniversary this year. That is not a typo. They've had a lot of drat time to get it right and it's all but impossible to say they haven't done it. Links style courses are purist golf and Royal Dornoch is purist links. The course sits right up against the Dornoch Firth, between the town of Dornoch and a gorgeous natural beach. You'll see hundreds of people walking the beach all during the day. They are exceptionally busy; we had to set our tee time 5 months early. Tee times are pre-paid and there are no rain checks. If you miss your time, tough poo poo. They do a fantastic job of keeping pace moving in a strategy I've rarely seen elsewhere. They will only allow 2-ball outings per tee time in the morning, then depending on the crowds they expect that day, will shift to 4-ball tee times around 10:30-11:00. This strikes a pretty good balance between the locals/members who want to keep a good pace going with the big tour groups who want to take their time and enjoy the course, and reaction from the locals seems to be a slight annoyance to the 4-ball tourist groups but that comes with an understanding that their money is good and Dornoch being a town of only about 1300 people, they certainly can use the help from tourism.

I played in a 2-ball teeing off about 7:30AM and was done by about 11:00. It was amazing and I loved it. I asked my caddie if pace of play was as much an issue out there as it was for a lot of places in the states. He said it was, but there were starting to be some creative solutions to it, including the 2-ball and 4-ball times I mentioned earlier. In some competitive tournaments around Scotland now, they'll mark your start time when you tee off, and if you don't make it in by a set pace time, you're assessed a 2 stroke penalty. :stare: I LOVE IT.

Fun fact: Legendary course designer Donald Ross was born in Dornoch, and got his career started here as a greenskeeper, and his mark clearly remains. You are all but required to know how to hit bump-and-run shots to approach the greens. Ross also designed the Inverness Club here in Toledo, Ohio. Neat.

The course was in immaculate shape. The fairways were quick and firm, and the greens were incredibly fast. We were blessed with shockingly nice weather during the entire trip. Low to mid 70s, partly cloudy to clear skies, and almost no wind. I cannot stress that last part enough. When you play links courses you're almost never playing against the course, you're playing against the weather. If you have good weather on a links course, you can really open up and attack it. I didn't play great since I was still fighting jet lag but I wasn't going to argue with carding a 94. Fast-paced courses are a blast for your tee shots but man you have to be so careful with your approaches. Almost nothing is going to hold on the greens so you either need to know how to land a ball very soft on it, or punch (or even putt) one up.

PICTURES!

















NEXT TIME, PART 2: THE BRASH YOUNG UPSTART

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
That's so beautiful

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

So incredibly jealous!!

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Summit posted:

I'm a newb like you so take this with a grain of salt but I would advise the opposite. I always use the appropriate club for the shot because I want the in-game exposure to everything in my bag. I used to feel intimidated by anything with less loft than a 6 iron which is a terrible way to start a golf swing. Granted it was challenging at first but now that I've hit some decent shots with those clubs I have a lot more confidence selecting them. Doesn't always work out but at least if you've had exposure to those clubs you can blame it on not executing your swing plan vs. dreading the club. Nothing sabotages my swing quite like low confidence before I even step up to the ball.

---

Anyone got some advice for getting good with the driver? It feels like the weakest part of my game right now. I'm typically driving around 210-230 on my straight drives which is pitifully low considering I'm only 29. Granted there's not a ton of roll where I live and it's been wet but I know I'm leaving 20-30 yards easily in just how I strike. Ball flight is way lower than it ought to be. I hit my irons nice and high but the driver I get a very penetrating ball flight. I don't know if I should be setting up differently or what. It feels comfortable to move the ball up slightly (off left toe vs left ear on irons) but beyond that I'm trying to swing the same swing. Maybe I just need more time with it. I'm using a beginner friendly Ping 10.5 driver so equipment certainly isn't the problem.

Very basic tip on driver versus iron: http://www.golftipsmag.com/instruction/driving/impact-driver-vs-iron/

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

DJExile posted:

Let me preface my trip report with a few comments on travel. If you're going to the UK (or really, most places in Europe) from the USA, you're likely going through one of 3 airports: Heathrow in London, Charles de Gaulle in Paris, or Amsterdam Schiphol. I cannot recommend enough you go to Amsterdam if you have a choice. It's 7 hours from Detroit, and is far and away the best of the 3. Heathrow is largely hit and miss (and super busy, to be fair), and unless you're travelling to Paris, you're really best avoiding CDG. Until recently, your main (only?) option for flying into Scotland was to go into Edinburgh, which is a decent airport but puts you a good 3+ hour drive from the Highlands. Just a few months ago, the airport in Inverness expanded and now will accept international flights. You can get here from Amsterdam on KLM's "cityhopper" line in about 90 minutes. For the record, Amsterdam to Edinburgh is about an hour.

My Sun Mountain Clubglider has hauled my bag to and around Europe 3 times, Hawaii once, California once, and Florida several times over the 5+ years I've owned it and it is still going strong. It hasn't needed any repairs, has suffered no rips or damage, and has kept the clubs and bags its held in great shape. The legs that kick out from the bag and hold it up make it amazingly easy to get around an airport. Very much worth the investment.


What photo gear did you drag along?

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
Scotland owns. The food is good as hell too.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


torgeaux posted:

What photo gear did you drag along?

my mirrorless and 3 lenses but all these were just my phone.

EnsGDT
Nov 9, 2004

~boop boop beep motherfucker~
I DON'T SEE ANY ORANGE BALLS YOU SON OF A BITCH

i love you awesome pictures <3

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004
Those pictures are fantastic, super jealous.

Finally got my handicap after a bit of a delay and been set at 22.9 which I'm happy with really given my play on the handicap rounds. Comp next Saturday and start working towards bogey golf and then see what happens.

Also got a new set of wedges moving to a 3 wedge setup from a 2 wedge given the course I play and swapping 3 wood and 2 hybrid for a 4 wood. I think I've sorted the gapping for my home course which should help moving forward.

Dimebag fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Aug 19, 2016

Summit
Mar 6, 2004

David wanted you to have this.

Based on these tips I can accomplish everything needed just by some small setup changes? That would be fantastic.

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug

mattfl posted:

So incredibly jealous!!

this! :argh: :guinness:

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


DJEXILE DOES SCOTLAND, PART 2: THE BRASH, YOUNG UPSTART

Castle Stuart is only 7 years old. You'd have no clue from looking at it. I've gushed endlessly about this course but I swear to god it deserves it. It occupies a gorgeous stretch of land on the Moray Firth just outside of Inverness. It has hosted 4 Scottish Opens, and it is already breaking ground on a 2nd course and putting up lodges and cabins for visitors. They clearly have poo poo figured out in a very short time frame.

The greens themselves aren't as hard to land on here as they are at Dornoch, the difficulty in approaching them lies on the fairway itself. There is a ton of "rumple", which can force you to stand just a little above or below your ball, and makes squaring the clubhead to the ball a little more difficult. Also if you have ever played a course on a coast, or in Hawaii, learn this lesson and learn it well because it applies here too:

Everything breaks towards the water all the time. Yes your putt will do this. So will your drive. Accept it. Plan accordingly. :v:

I really can't say enough about the staff and caddies here. They are world class and do their level best to make sure you have a good time.

PORN





They designed almost every green to have a sort of "infinity edge" to make it look like they fall off into the water. Your approach or chip shot always comes with a gorgeous view.








Play this course, you goobers. Stop what you're doing and go right now.

NEXT CHAPTER: PART 3: DJEXILE MAKES GOOD ON HIS TOXX/PROMISE TO ENSGDT

daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari
I would be very sad after playing the 18th on that course. I hate it when the round is over.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Yeah the 18th is this gorgeous par 5 slight dogleg right with gorgeous natural sand bunkers and gorse off the right edge. it's a great finishing hole.

EnsGDT
Nov 9, 2004

~boop boop beep motherfucker~

DJExile posted:

NEXT CHAPTER: PART 3: DJEXILE MAKES GOOD ON HIS TOXX/PROMISE TO ENSGDT

:3:

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005

Ketchup on a hot dog?

GET OUT.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Shrapnig posted:

Ketchup on a hot dog?

GET OUT.
It's the only way to fly. :colbert:

DuckHuntDog
May 13, 2004


Not to hijack, but seeing those photos has me want to share too. I spent three weeks in Scotland in July and did not play a single round outside of Fife, but it was still an awesome trip. It has me pretty tempted to start getting really serious about the game again and get a handicap/play in tournaments. None of my pictures are all that great (and I just now realized giant and I don't feel like re-uploading), but here are a couple:



No comment.



Crail (Balcomie) is awesome, and not super expensive even for non-members.

When I was 17 me and my dad went on a month long trip around Scotland playing all over, and I can confirm that links golf anywhere in that country is good golf.

EnsGDT
Nov 9, 2004

~boop boop beep motherfucker~
Ahhh Road Hole, be still my heart.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


I'm so glad the American women got shut out of the meals. So much attitude and talk about sweeping the medals.

Kameh
Apr 27, 2004

Resident Sergio Apologist
CHAMPION
Lol, I was pulling for Gerina to at least medal.

She can get it 4 sho

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005

You can have her, I'll take that Russian chick that shot 62 today, holy moly.

EnsGDT
Nov 9, 2004

~boop boop beep motherfucker~
4-7 of my new irons are at my house. The 8-PW heads are on backorder.

Alpha C2 Fly heads with KBS Tour 90 stiff shafts, all from my club maker.

Droooool. :)

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Shrapnig posted:

You can have her, I'll take that Russian chick that shot 62 today, holy moly.
Hmm, yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hA7QriH1fc

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...
Taking my 4 iron out of the bag. I haven't hit it in a round in months. Replacing it with my 4th wedge. I'll have driver, 3W, 5W, 3 hybrid, 5-9, PW (46 degrees), 50 degree wedge, 54 degree wedge, 58 degree wedge and putter.

The gap between my PW and my 50 degree wedge was already largish, 150 yards to 125 yards. From my 50 degree to my 58 was 125 to 95. I'm hoping to be able to stop manipulating my 50 degree wedge (my most consistent club) so much.

daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari
Another day, another bad round. Golf isn't fun when I shoot like this.

BCRock
Dec 13, 2005
I'm huge in Japan
Golf is pretty fun when you play like this though:



It's been a while since I've had any eagles, let alone 2 in the same round.

#10 was a 3i from 223y out and into the wind. Hit it to 4 feet.

#18 was a 4i from 220y out and downwind. Hit it to 10 feet straight below the hole.

All of the bogeys were just stupid mistakes that could have easily been avoided.

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Oh hey, we're posting scores the weekend? Ok.

Started off a little slow but turned it around on the back nine

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004
Played 9 today and shot a 44 (par 36) so 8 over on the 9 but beat my handicap by 3 stroke so not too displeased.

Best part of the round was as we were teeing off on the first my dad and son were in the cart and waiting for me to hit as I left the tee one of the guys behind us said I hope you realise there are 30 blokes behind you so you better play quick.

As we were coming back up the 5th I looked back to that guys group who were only just hitting their second shots into the 3rd. I really dislike when people make comments like that I mean he's never seen us play as assumed because we like to take my 2 year old out with us, he stays in the cart the whole way round unless we don't have anyone hitting up behind us and he'll come out when we put and hold the flag, that we would be slow.

I understand if we had been playing slowly for a few holes have a word sure but given we were on the first and the pro knows us now and knew we wouldn't hold anyone up made it all the more frustrating with the comment. It's those kind of attitudes that kill off people's love fire the game.

Dimebag fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Aug 22, 2016

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BCRock
Dec 13, 2005
I'm huge in Japan
That's annoying that you got singled out with the slow play comment, but keep in mind that slow play also kills people's love for the game, so I get why people can be overly pushy about it.

It'd be great actually if there was someone on the first tee box at every course who just said, "Enjoy your round and hurry the gently caress up!" as each group teed off.

Anyway, nice work shooting below your handicap and that's cool that you're able to have your dad and son there with you.

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