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Sea Lily
Aug 5, 2007

Everything changes, Pit.
Even gods.

Robotnik Nudes posted:

The two messages being "That which is missing" and "Not everything is black and ____" makes me feel pretty confident they're setting up to announce they got Jaleel White back to voice Sonic.

They expressed some regret about not getting him for Classic Sonic in Generations so I bet they're fixing that in the sequel

Or maybe Sonic Boom is doing a crossover episode with the Archie comics setting? Who knows

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



I can't confirm it's accurate but supposedly this easter egg shows up in the new Deus Ex.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

ImpAtom posted:



I can't confirm it's accurate but supposedly this easter egg shows up in the new Deus Ex.

I'd buy the hell out of that dating sim.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

is sonic megamix truly the best the rom-hacking community ever produced?

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
Yes and it still isn't very good.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


The homing attack is a really crappy mechanic for 2D Sonic games.

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

Stairmaster posted:

is sonic megamix truly the best the rom-hacking community ever produced?

The best romhacks, IMO, are always small, like new characters, new mechanics, or single levels. When you get to the full game level the game design seems to always suffer from the hugeness of the project. Megamix might be the best "Here's our own sonic game!" hack out there, though I haven't played much of it to form an opinion on.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

it's like above sonic advance 2 and below sonic advance 3 in terms of level design. Granted I did not play the leaked version 5.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
Sonic fans shouldn't be allowed to make Sonic games.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

Sonic fans shouldn't be allowed to make Sonic games.

So not looking forward to Mania?

a.lo
Sep 12, 2009

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

Sonic fans shouldn't be allowed to make Sonic games.

they should dip their toes into voice acting

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

MikeJF posted:

So not looking forward to Mania?

Not especially, no.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Sonic 4 episode 1 is probably the most depressing sequel I've played in years.

I was playing it parallel to After the Sequel, and it's just shocking how the fan game - which isn't great, mind you, but it's one guy and an imperfect physics engine (or at least it doesn't feel right after playing S3&K) - is actually more like a real sequel. Sonic 4 is just desperate for you to try to connect with nostalgia it only pays lip service to. It looks like a cheap knock off of a Sonic game without any of the style it isn't directly lifting, and it rehashes fights and ideas in a really weird way given the physics and visuals are so different. If they were trying to make classic Sonic, why is it modern sonic with that weird homing attack and weird physics?

The most confusing, if super spergy example, is how Sonic reacts to cresting a hill. In S3&K you go over the hill and inertia carries you. In S4, you're supposed to react by doing a failed homing attack, which propels you forward. It feels completely contradictory. I'm not saying it's bad or good, just, it really doesn't feel like they aimed for nostalgia at all. Except with poo poo like rehashing the already tedious Sonic 2 boss fight but making it longer and that kind of boring where you start making mistakes.

I'm glad the thread recommended ATS though, it's not fantastic, but it does push some of the right buttons. The level backgrounds and sort of general style remind me a lot of Sonic 2 / CD. Very techno-organic, which CD had in spades, and most of the music is well done. It's a good framing device for what Sonic 4 should have been, even if it's not as good as Sonic 2 or Sonic 3. Sonic 4 just makes me feel like someone is screaming in my ear "Hey!?! You liked Casino Night Zone!?! Well here's Casino Night but made with cheap eastern european clip art!"

I don't even like Casino Night zone anymore :(

Elfgames
Sep 11, 2011

Fun Shoe
The only sonic characters i really dislike are cream and charmy cream because she has like no reason to do anything like she's not a hero or aventurer or anything and charmy is just beyond obnoxious in sonic heroes but that game had a real problem with repetitive voice clips anyway.

the rest of the sonic cast are basically DBZ characters and it's great.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

Not especially, no.

even the bad hacks are better than what sega produces so you're loving weird.

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

Groovelord Neato posted:

even the bad hacks are better than what sega produces so you're loving weird.

Please share your definition of "bad hack" so I know how insane I should consider you

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

Groovelord Neato posted:

even the bad hacks are better than what sega produces so you're loving weird.

They generally aren't but even if they were, I can just not play any of them.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

ImpAtom posted:



I can't confirm it's accurate but supposedly this easter egg shows up in the new Deus Ex.

It'll be the best RPG/Racing/Maze game of 2029, you just wait.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Amppelix posted:

Please share your definition of "bad hack" so I know how insane I should consider you

all of them.

and offish sonic games are rear end dude.

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

Groovelord Neato posted:

and offish sonic games are rear end dude.

nah

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


you'tre right i should have clarified.

offish sonic games post 1994. though you can be forgiven for not knowing that if you were born at or after that time period.

it's like the star wars prequels. dumb kids who were little then probably like them but they just don't know any better.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


I like how in Sonic 4 you'll get shot out of a cannon and then just stop dead in mid-air if you're not holding right.

womb with a view
Sep 8, 2007

The only thing I want from a Sonic game is Crush 40 buttrock forever. I don't even care if we get a weirdo shitfest of super serious hedgehog romance again, as long as we get some mad guitar squeals and lyrics about important life lessons from the heart.

Hbomberguy
Jul 4, 2009

[culla=big red]TufFEE did nO THINg W̡RA̸NG[/read]


25 years of sonic.

Sonic Adventure 2 was the first good one and then it was downhill from there.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Lol if u enjoyed any sonics past Genesis-era

Xad
Jul 2, 2009

"Either Sonic is God, or could kill God, and I do not care if there is a difference!"

College Slice

Elfgames posted:

the rest of the sonic cast are basically DBZ characters and it's great.

Alright let's go:

Sonic - Goku
Tails - Krillin/Bulma
Knuckles - Piccolo/Hercule
Amy - Chichi/Bulma
Shadow - Vegeta
Silver - Future Trunks
Big - Yajirobe
Blaze - Videl???
Eggman - I dunno, Pilaf? Dr. Gero?
Rouge - Lunch???
Espio - Probably Tien?
Vector - Yamcha???
Charmy - Chiaotzu
Mighty - Black Goku

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Hbomberguy posted:

25 years of sonic.

Sonic Adventure 2 was the first good one and then it was downhill from there.

I'll make you eat those words!

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
I'm really not that fussed about Sonic having a big cast. Not all of them need to be playable in each go around. Really though, they should always be on deck as skins. Like there's no real reason to not have Shadow and Blaze as Sonic skins for the people that like them. I like having Shadow around as the rival since Knuckles can't go back to that role since Sonic Adventure 2. I like Amy. I only really hate Charmy. Even Rouge and Cream can exist in the land of cutscenes and filling the background. They can also be Knuckles and Tails skins if you're a person that enjoys them. The idea that Sonic's cast existing is what made the games poor and that Sonic games can only be good if they feature Sonic and Tails/Knuckles/Amy nobody else is bogus.

Amppelix posted:

I'm playing Sonic Adventure again. I still really enjoy the perspective switching storytelling it has. Especially when it leads to hilarious moments like the part where Gamma captures Froggy. In Big's story, the frog gets snatched right out of his hands. In Gamma's version? Big isn't even there. You just find the frog hanging around. So, apparently Big was so un-noteworthy that Gamma didn't even notice him while snatching it out of his hands :allears:

Stuff like that and how every scene containing multiple characters has a unique version with slightly different lines and linereads for each character just for the heck of it is still really endearing.

My favorite is in Tails' storylines since they are so "Me too!" which totally fits his character. "Well if it isn't Sonic...and Tails!" I'm sorry nobody cared about you in the first go of things, lil buddy.

womb with a view
Sep 8, 2007

SonicRulez posted:

The idea that Sonic's cast existing is what made the games poor and that Sonic games can only be good if they feature Sonic and Tails/Knuckles/Amy nobody else is bogus.
Yeah the idea that Sonic became poo poo because it added characters is really weird when the first three or four games added a character each.

YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

SonicRulez posted:

My favorite is in Tails' storylines since they are so "Me too!" which totally fits his character. "Well if it isn't Sonic...and Tails!" I'm sorry nobody cared about you in the first go of things, lil buddy.

The best part is doing Tails' Story when you get to the Sky Deck.

"Whoah! Did you see that? It transformed!" And then Sonic just give him this glare like "no poo poo I saw it dumbass".

"I hate it when he doesn't listen to me."

Tails you precious dweeb. :allears:

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


I've got a long plane ride coming up in a couple days and I could use some Sonic to keep myself busy. How are Rush Adventure and Colors DS? I remember hearing mixed to positive things about them, wasn't a huge fan of the original Sonic Rush though.

Augus fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Aug 21, 2016

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I liked Rush Adventure, but it has a lot of sailing between islands that is largely filler and it prominently features a proto-Sticks called Marine. Rush is a much more pure experience, so if that didn't grab you then Rush Adventure probably won't.

Haven't played Colours DS so I can't help you there, but I imagine it probably holds up better since it doesn't require you to laboriously fill in the map via a boat.

Xad
Jul 2, 2009

"Either Sonic is God, or could kill God, and I do not care if there is a difference!"

College Slice
Yeah, Colors DS is basically the 3rd Rush-style game, but with wisp powers. I remember it being alright, but if you weren't a huge fan of Sonic Rush 1 maybe try something else?

Elfgames
Sep 11, 2011

Fun Shoe

Xad posted:

Alright let's go:

Sonic - Goku
Tails - Krillin/Bulma
Knuckles - Piccolo/Hercule
Amy - Chichi/Bulma
Shadow - Vegeta
Silver - Future Trunks
Big - Yajirobe
Blaze - Videl???
Eggman - I dunno, Pilaf? Dr. Gero?
Rouge - Lunch???
Espio - Probably Tien?
Vector - Yamcha???
Charmy - Chiaotzu
Mighty - Black Goku

it's harder with the characters that never got much actual character yeah and i'm pretty sure mighty fell off the back of a truck and was never seen again

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



Augus posted:

I've got a long plane ride coming up in a couple days and I could use some Sonic to keep myself busy. How are Rush Adventure and Colors DS? I remember hearing mixed to positive things about them, wasn't a huge fan of the original Sonic Rush though.

Try Tails Adventure. It plays more like like a puzzle platformer than Sonic though.

VikingofRock
Aug 24, 2008




Do the Rush games have that awkward 2D homing attack that's in Sonic 4?

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

VikingofRock posted:

Do the Rush games have that awkward 2D homing attack that's in Sonic 4?

No, but they have the other part of modern Sonic games, the boost. In fact, Sonic Rush introduced the boost.

Ms. Unsmiley
Feb 13, 2012

i'm like 90% sure sonic rush adventure had a homing attack but it was on a weird button and the game never tells you about it and you never need it. maybe i'm remembering wrong but thats sounding right to me

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

sharrrk posted:

i'm like 90% sure sonic rush adventure had a homing attack but it was on a weird button and the game never tells you about it and you never need it. maybe i'm remembering wrong but thats sounding right to me

Technically you can do a homing attack as Sonic in both Rush games (as well as in Sonic Advance 2 and 3) but you have to be right next to the enemy and press the R button while jumping (or in the case of the Advance games, press the jump button again in mid air), it's pretty much useless though.

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prahanormal
Mar 8, 2011

heya /
Sonic Advanced is a pretty good time. There's also the mobile ports of 1-3 (and cd??)

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