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Just started watching and got through episodes one and two episode 1 had me thinking "oh, more danny mcbride being himself again with goggins as an antagonist I guess I could watch this." But episode 2. holy gently caress episode 2. Goggins must have followed sociopaths around for the last 5 years, because he does it so well. and the comedy juxtaposed to Goggins dragging McBride down to his level and destroying the world around himself while keeping a smile on his face is just hypnotic. i'm in love
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# ? Aug 16, 2016 21:22 |
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timp posted:Episode was excellent as always, but I gotta admit it seemed a bit out of character for Lee to be so utterly dominated by his neighbor (until the end at least). He lit Dr. Brown's house on fire, why wouldn't he just do something way diabolically and anonymously over the line to him like he did to her? it seemed absolutely inline with everything he's done. He only knows how to be an rear end in a top hat behind people's backs, and only knows how to be glib to their face (his relationship with gamby /his wife / other people he's close to being the exceptions)
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# ? Aug 16, 2016 22:50 |
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Pron on VHS posted:Russell's "gently caress where's my cigarette!" line when they are in the woods is so funny, rewound that part like 4 times Same, it was so perfect with his little arm flail.
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# ? Aug 16, 2016 23:11 |
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I've already mentioned how much I love Hill/McBride/DGG productions for their great use of a non-traditional setting, but I think I love their music choices even more than how they flesh out the Carolinas. The synth during Circles, picking the exact right kind of music the farm strong guy would play when he lifts, then Neil Sedaka's "Let's Go Steady Again" as the end credits music...everything's just bang-on perfect.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 04:03 |
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Troy Queef posted:I've already mentioned how much I love Hill/McBride/DGG productions for their great use of a non-traditional setting, but I think I love their music choices even more than how they flesh out the Carolinas. The synth during Circles, picking the exact right kind of music the farm strong guy would play when he lifts, then Neil Sedaka's "Let's Go Steady Again" as the end credits music...everything's just bang-on perfect.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 05:22 |
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"You make a cute loving couple." This episode was a beautiful story of love and hate.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 05:22 |
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Troy Queef posted:picking the exact right kind of music the farm strong guy would play when he lifts Pretty sure that was Exhorder aka the band Pantera ripped off, which is a fairly obscure pick.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 07:56 |
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^ Except Pantera did it better so it's all ok
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 19:00 |
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After I saw the first episode, I also saw all the reviews foaming at the mouth of 'raaaaagh! Two white men trying to undermine a successful black woman!' and obviously, those people weren't going to give it a chance. Those that claimed it was racism that they burned down her house is just dumb. Clearly these two would be pulling this kind of awful poo poo no matter who got the Principal job. Though, I gotta say, I'm wondering if they'll do anything to humanize Russell in later episodes. I mean, part of his sociopathic traits in his professional life seem related to how powerless he feels in his personal life, such as being unable to really do anything against his neighbor, mi-cha always screaming at him, and given that they show his wife in scrubs all the time, I'm guessing she may be a doctor/surgeon and possibly be the bigger breadwinner of the two of them. He just seems as equally nasty to his own family, just not as insanely. I also still like that even though he's in on the plan, Gamby still has his moments of humanity, like when he sees Belinda crying in her car in the spirit week episode, or when he punches out the meathead to help Russell. Other than the third episode falling flat for me, I feel like every week is amazing. I just wish we'd get more of Dayshawn at some point, though him showing up once an episode cracks me up everytime.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 22:35 |
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LadyPictureShow posted:After I saw the first episode, I also saw all the reviews foaming at the mouth of 'raaaaagh! Two white men trying to undermine a successful black woman!' and obviously, those people weren't going to give it a chance. Those that claimed it was racism that they burned down her house is just dumb. Clearly these two would be pulling this kind of awful poo poo no matter who got the Principal job. Yeah, Russell being sweet to his wife in the next episode now that he's a little less stressed out about Farmstrong would go a long way towards making him sympathetic. Him being an rear end in a top hat to other characters makes sense, as he clearly takes the struggle against the new principal as a life or death battle since he's a lunatic, and his relationships with Gamby and his mother in law appear to be long standing, very much mutually antagonistic ones.
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# ? Aug 18, 2016 01:14 |
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So we're just going to sit around on bean bags, discussing the taste of young men's penises?
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# ? Aug 18, 2016 02:46 |
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The restorative justice scenes were incredibly funny
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# ? Aug 18, 2016 04:39 |
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LadyPictureShow posted:Though, I gotta say, I'm wondering if they'll do anything to humanize Russell in later episodes. I mean, part of his sociopathic traits in his professional life seem related to how powerless he feels in his personal life, such as being unable to really do anything against his neighbor, mi-cha always screaming at him, and given that they show his wife in scrubs all the time, I'm guessing she may be a doctor/surgeon and possibly be the bigger breadwinner of the two of them. He just seems as equally nasty to his own family, just not as insanely. I also still like that even though he's in on the plan, Gamby still has his moments of humanity, like when he sees Belinda crying in her car in the spirit week episode, or when he punches out the meathead to help Russell. He seems to soften up around episode 5, especially near the end, realizing he might have an actual, real friendship, and beginning to treat his wife better
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# ? Aug 19, 2016 22:37 |
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LadyPictureShow posted:After I saw the first episode, I also saw all the reviews foaming at the mouth of 'raaaaagh! Two white men trying to undermine a successful black woman!' and obviously, those people weren't going to give it a chance. This was almost me. I was initially little turned off, but the pilot hit enough notes that I was curious to see where it went. I never saw EB&D but I am loving this show, particularly Russell - and especially in this most recent episode. Seeing him having to deal with the big dude across the street and how out of his element he is there as opposed to school was great. I'm also thrilled whenever Shea Whigham shows up in the background being a cool and chill stepdad.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 01:28 |
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The stepdad and the cafeteria guy are my favorite secondary characters. "Let me ask you a question man, and be honest with me, alright?" "Yeah, okay, go for it." "Are you fuckin' Mr. Russel?"
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 03:50 |
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Last Chance posted:The stepdad and the cafeteria guy are my favorite secondary characters. I just rewatched episode 2 and when he sees them both walking out of the woods together while he's smoking his vape, his line delivery of "...gently caress?" is loving perfect
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 04:21 |
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Do people not understand that Russel and Gamby aren't good guys, and aren't really meant to be rooted for? It's like being upset at Nicholson in the Shining because he's violent against women and children.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 04:45 |
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morcant posted:This was almost me. I was initially little turned off, but the pilot hit enough notes that I was curious to see where it went. I never saw EB&D but I am loving this show, particularly Russell - and especially in this most recent episode. Seeing him having to deal with the big dude across the street and how out of his element he is there as opposed to school was great. Shea Whigham makes the best kind of dad. "My son! My fuckin' son!"
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 08:46 |
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General Probe posted:Do people not understand that Russel and Gamby aren't good guys, and aren't really meant to be rooted for? It's like being upset at Nicholson in the Shining because he's violent against women and children. Maybe some SJWs don't but it looked like most people here are aware of it. I'm fully acknowledge that they're terrible people but am still rooting for them to gently caress poo poo up because it's fun
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 10:42 |
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I love the show but still stand by the ability to critique episode 2 in a social climate where it's difficult to mock white southern terror in a way that makes the viewer root for it. In the context of the show, it makes total sense, and the joke is on these characters. But I think the dismissal of that conversation by saying "it's a Jody Hill show " is stupid. It's like how the rape scene in Observe and Report can be 'acceptable' within the context of an incredibly dark comedic movie but still open to cultural critique. Nobody (weirdos on Tumblr excluded) is saying it shouldn't be done. But to completely ignore the subtext to a scene or its effect on viewers is dumb. It's okay to like things and still wonder about their perception and impact on society. Michael Douglas isn't a good guy in Falling Down, the protagonist of Fight Club isn't good, Don Draper isn't good, Walter White isn't good, but they're all essentially admired by a majority of viewers. That's not the intent but that doesn't change the impact.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 14:23 |
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The Protagonist in all those things you said are actually Good
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 14:53 |
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Black Baby Goku posted:The Protagonist in all those things you said are actually Good Well-developed characters in good media, sure.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 15:15 |
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i am the bird posted:Well-developed characters in good media, sure. No, like, they are the Good Guys in their respective universes.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 15:26 |
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Just to make sure I've got this right, you're suggesting that it's worthy of criticism because some people might take it the wrong way?
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 15:27 |
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i am the bird posted:Nobody (weirdos on Tumblr excluded) is saying it shouldn't be done. But to completely ignore the subtext to a scene or its effect on viewers is dumb. It's okay to like things and still wonder about their perception and impact on society. Michael Douglas isn't a good guy in Falling Down, the protagonist of Fight Club isn't good, Don Draper isn't good, Walter White isn't good, but they're all essentially admired by a majority of viewers. That's not the intent but that doesn't change the impact. What subtext?? There's no reading between the lines when you have two batshit insane characters like Russel and Gamby. They beat you over the head with it!
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 15:33 |
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is this criticism valid if Belinda Brown ultimately mops the floor with Gamby and Russell?
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 15:43 |
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Black Baby Goku posted:No, like, they are the Good Guys in their respective universes. I don't think there's a reasonable reading of that with critical textual support for any of the characters I mentioned. Escobarbarian posted:Just to make sure I've got this right, you're suggesting that it's worthy of criticism because some people might take it the wrong way? Yes? This isn't new. I think you're taking the word "criticism" too literally. I'm not condemning or discrediting the media in question. I'm saying they offer portrayals worthy of critique in a broader social context and that pretending they exist in a vacuum is lazy and uncritical. Last Chance posted:What subtext?? There's no reading between the lines when you have two batshit insane characters like Russel and Gamby. They beat you over the head with it! It's two angry white dudes terrorizing a black woman's home in the south because she's in a position of power that makes them feel powerless. That's worthy of a second glance. Of course they're crazy but that's just an avenue for another discussion about how portraying them as insane theoretically overlooks that similar displays of violent white supremacy is normative in many American communities. I disagree with critiques that say the show is PROMOTING this. But to plug your ears and pretend like it's not a culturally complicated scene is just lazy and uncritical. i am the bird fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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i am the bird posted:I don't think there's a reasonable reading of that with critical textual support for any of the characters I mentioned. Explain how Tyler Durden is the bad guy please.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 16:51 |
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Black Baby Goku posted:Explain how Tyler Durden is the bad guy please. The hyperviolent chauvinistic ubermensch manifestation of a white man feeling powerless who turns to terrorism as a result is a good guy?
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 16:56 |
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i am the bird posted:Yes? This isn't new. I think you're taking the word "criticism" too literally. I'm not condemning or discrediting the media in question. I'm saying they offer portrayals worthy of critique in a broader social context and that pretending they exist in a vacuum is lazy and uncritical. Good god you must be a real blast at parties. Just watch the loving tv show or don't. Everything is not a social justice/ethical dilemma.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:01 |
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Yes, because discussing a television show in a thread about a television show is wildly out of place. Sorry for ruining your safe space, guys. I still like the show.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:04 |
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i am the bird posted:It's two angry white dudes terrorizing a black woman's home in the south because she's in a position of power that makes them feel powerless. That's worthy of a second glance. Of course they're crazy but that's just an avenue for another discussion about how portraying them as insane theoretically overlooks that similar displays of violent white supremacy is normative in many American communities. Yeah but what I'm saying is that the white supremacy thing you feel needs a second glance is the entire point of the joke. The joke is that the characters are just too oblivious about the horrific implications of their actions because they're so wrapped up in high school administration politics. And they're supremely sexist, and probably racist too. Any other jokes that need 'splainin? I can ruin em all folks
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:08 |
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i am the bird posted:The hyperviolent chauvinistic ubermensch manifestation of a white man feeling powerless who turns to terrorism as a result is a good guy? So you didn't get the movie? Gotcha
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:10 |
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^^^ yeah, okay. You've offered literally nothing in support of your reading whereas the majority of analyses AND the book's author AND the movie's director all talk about those exact themes so, whatever. Last Chance posted:Yeah but what I'm saying is that the white supremacy thing you feel needs a second glance is the entire point of the joke. Nah, I agree with your reading -- especially taken with the rest of the show -- but a few posters in here are acting like that scene has no underlying message involving race or sex. It feels like some people think critics are calling them racist or sexist for liking the show which is not the point at all. This is far too many words for a thread where people hate everything I'm saying so I'll just drop it.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:13 |
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I agree with you, it just read initially like you were saying the show was doing wrong by portraying something not everyone would fully comprehend or something? I definitely think those themes are there and extremely overt.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 17:35 |
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I'm wondering what the debate is. Gamby and Russell are bad people. The whole fun of Hill's work is watching bad people do increasingly bad and cringy poo poo but while somehow still maintaining enough humanity that you feel sorry for them in the end. Observe and Report is an underrated gem and it's loving hilarious just as it is depressing and sad. Jody Hill is a master at this poo poo in way most people aren't. It's not an easy feat, but he pulls it off. Also, Footfist Way. Everyone should watch that. This feels closer to that than Eastbound actually with it's more grounded narcissism.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 21:55 |
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Yeah, I dig that they're both sympathetic characters in various ways while still being monstrous. Watching them fail miserably or cause chaos is fun as hell, but it's also hard not to root for them wrecking the neighbor, who is an even bigger piece of poo poo. I was just rewatching Footfist Way because it just got added to Netflix. I forgot how loving absurd and hilarious it is and it's basically forgotten as a cult comedy.
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# ? Aug 20, 2016 23:03 |
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holy poo poo yall have to be loving kidding with the racial angle bullshit. gtfooooooooooooo the show is loving hilarious pull your panties out of your rear end in a top hat and enjoy.
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# ? Aug 22, 2016 00:03 |
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Oh my god you social justice warrior pussies have to do backflips to find racism in loving everything. Calm your short rear end purple hair down and watch a loving comedy without getting offended for once. I bet you are a loving riot at parties.
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# ? Aug 22, 2016 00:35 |
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Super Aggro Crag posted:Oh my god you social justice warrior pussies have to do backflips to find racism in loving everything. Calm your short rear end purple hair down and watch a loving comedy without getting offended for once. I bet you are a loving riot at parties. I like how offended you are at imaginary offended people that aren't even here you dumbass.
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