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PinkoBastard
Oct 3, 2010

Fenrir posted:

I have been an on UNGODLY massive retro Skinny Puppy kick lately. It's like I got shoved into a time warp back into 1989 or something. Help me :ohdear:

I'm also pretty out of the loop on modern industrial, so if anyone's got stuff I haven't heard before that captures that same flavour, I'd totally appreciate it. In the meantime I'm listening to The Choke for like the 7th time this week, and that's after I listened to Too Dark Park twice already in full today.

Cardinal Noire are great for this stuff too!

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


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Danger - Octopus! posted:

New 3Teeth sounds absolutely identical to 90 industrial rock. Like, identical to me. If you didn't know who this was, you'd expect to find it on a late 90s/early 00s film soundtrack or compilation along with Gravity Kills, Chemlab, 16Volt and Devotion Records acts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uabChNfWAcM

I would have been all over this in the late 90s.

(I am not objecting to anything about a band deliberately adopting a retro style, I'd note - I like way too much old school EBM to do that)
Those vocals sound A LOT like Marilyn Manson, too. But I like '90s Marilyn Manson so this is not a bad thing. And crossed with KMFDM riffs. Man, this is like KMFDM but better than today's actual KMFDM.

Also that video is hilarious. It's good for industrial artists to just push it 110% with the leather jackets, wall of TV screens and oppressive riot cops.

When I went to Kinetik there were big student protests and bottles getting thrown at riot cops right outside the music venue. I'd see SITD, go out for a smoke, and then *flashbang* 100 feet away. Next up, Blutengel! That's entertainment.

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Aug 20, 2016

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




Fenrir posted:

I have been an on UNGODLY massive retro Skinny Puppy kick lately. It's like I got shoved into a time warp back into 1989 or something. Help me :ohdear:

I'm also pretty out of the loop on modern industrial, so if anyone's got stuff I haven't heard before that captures that same flavour, I'd totally appreciate it. In the meantime I'm listening to The Choke for like the 7th time this week, and that's after I listened to Too Dark Park twice already in full today.

In addition to Dead When I Found Her and Youth Code, I'd recommend V▲LH▲LL's "Shadows" EP:

https://vlhll.bandcamp.com/album/shadows

If you like it, check out the album it's based on, "Leaning on Shadows," even though that's not very Skinny Puppy-ish.

Other than that, if you're not familiar with Skinny Puppy side projects, Download's "Eyes of Stanley Pain" is the most Puppy-ish, but from the 90s.

I can't think of much else modern that evokes Skinny Puppy without being mawkish. Also from the 90s, there's Front Line Assembly's "Tactical Neural Implant," and "Hard Wired," which aren't Puppy-ish per se, but scratch the same itch for me. Haujobb's "Homes & Gardens" and "Freeze Frame Reality," too, but now I'm just recommending stuff from the same era, not necessarily modern.

skeletonotherkin
Sep 26, 2014

Danger - Octopus! posted:

New 3Teeth sounds absolutely identical to 90 industrial rock. Like, identical to me. If you didn't know who this was, you'd expect to find it on a late 90s/early 00s film soundtrack or compilation along with Gravity Kills, Chemlab, 16Volt and Devotion Records acts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uabChNfWAcM

I would have been all over this in the late 90s.

(I am not objecting to anything about a band deliberately adopting a retro style, I'd note - I like way too much old school EBM to do that)

I like the music, but drat the video is cheesy.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




LabyaMynora posted:

In addition to Dead When I Found Her and Youth Code, I'd recommend V▲LH▲LL's "Shadows" EP:

https://vlhll.bandcamp.com/album/shadows

If you like it, check out the album it's based on, "Leaning on Shadows," even though that's not very Skinny Puppy-ish.

It's funny, they seem to call themselves doom metal, but I'd say it's closer to what's being called witch house.

Still pretty good, no matter what you choose to call it. I love me some down-tempo ambient-industrial.

God Of Paradise
Jan 23, 2012
You know, I'd be less worried about my 16 year old daughter dating a successful 40 year old cartoonist than dating a 16 year old loser.

I mean, Jesus, kid, at least date a motherfucker with abortion money and house to have sex at where your mother and I don't have to hear it. Also, if he treats her poorly, boom, that asshole's gonna catch a statch charge.

Please, John K. Date my daughter... Save her from dating smelly dropouts who wanna-be Soundcloud rappers.
So I have the issue where I'm obsessed with bands like Swans, Big Black, A Place to Bury Strangers, Einstruzende Neubauten, Pop. 1280., Cabaret Voltaire, Have A Nice Life and The Soft Moon.

If industrial is considered to be just TG and poo poo, or industrial is considered to be EBM bands like VNV Nation or Combichrist, or industrial is that industrial metal craze of the 90s or whatever.... What the hell is the label or term for what I listen to?

Any time you try to talk to anyone about industrial music, I've found it becomes a massive pissing contest about this very subject, and I don't want to be associated with it. So should I just describe all the bands I like as "Post Punk?"

Wizchine
Sep 17, 2007

Television is the retina
of the mind's eye.
I call it all industrial and don't give a flying fig what a "purist" wants to label it. At one time "industrial" used to be a great blanket term for a lot of varied, interesting music.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

God Of Paradise posted:

If industrial is considered to be just TG and poo poo, or industrial is considered to be EBM bands like VNV Nation or Combichrist, or industrial is that industrial metal craze of the 90s or whatever.... What the hell is the label or term for what I listen to?
Yes.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

God Of Paradise posted:

So I have the issue where I'm obsessed with bands like Swans, Big Black, A Place to Bury Strangers, Einstruzende Neubauten, Pop. 1280., Cabaret Voltaire, Have A Nice Life and The Soft Moon.

If industrial is considered to be just TG and poo poo, or industrial is considered to be EBM bands like VNV Nation or Combichrist, or industrial is that industrial metal craze of the 90s or whatever.... What the hell is the label or term for what I listen to?

Any time you try to talk to anyone about industrial music, I've found it becomes a massive pissing contest about this very subject, and I don't want to be associated with it. So should I just describe all the bands I like as "Post Punk?"

Some of that stuff is industrial, some of it is post punk and you've also got some noise rock in there. These genres have bled into each other or influenced each other at different times and there's not really a single label for all those bands that's going to please everyone. Your tastes seem to be more on the rock side of things though.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
I never liked any of the sub-terms for industrial. Has anybody actually used the term "coldwave" unironically?

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005




the new crystal castles is not nearly as bad as i was expecting

it is certainly better than the new youth code, if that is a way to compare things.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Lead out in cuffs posted:

It's funny, they seem to call themselves doom metal, but I'd say it's closer to what's being called witch house.

What the poo poo is "witch house" supposed to be anyway. (The Wikipedia article is of course filled with so many qualifiers as to be useless.)

God Of Paradise posted:

If industrial is considered to be just TG and poo poo, or industrial is considered to be EBM bands like VNV Nation or Combichrist, or industrial is that industrial metal craze of the 90s or whatever.... What the hell is the label or term for what I listen to?
Any time you try to talk to anyone about industrial music, I've found it becomes a massive pissing contest about this very subject, and I don't want to be associated with it. So should I just describe all the bands I like as "Post Punk?"

"industrial", 'cos TG were contemporaneous with punk, though industrial joined in for post-punk.

coming soon: an essay on Neil Young as industrial musician.

david_a posted:

I never liked any of the sub-terms for industrial. Has anybody actually used the term "coldwave" unironically?

"we are totally not a bunch of goths or anything like that despite the glaringly obvious nature of our musical style, influences and appearance". see also "darkwave".

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

divabot posted:

What the poo poo is "witch house" supposed to be anyway. (The Wikipedia article is of course filled with so many qualifiers as to be useless.)
It's like ... gothy sounds mixed with hip hop beats.

That's what it sounds like to me anyways.

Portable Staplefrog
May 21, 2007

I'm not sure how I feel about their music, but I think "3TEETH" is a really interesting name. Does anyone know what it means?

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

Wikkheiser posted:

It's like ... gothy sounds mixed with hip hop beats.

That's what it sounds like to me anyways.

There's occasional stuff that gets described as witch house that sounds a bit like Coil. Some of it sounds like self-consciously spooky trip-hop.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
I thought early Grimes was supposed to be witch house :iiam:

a_gelatinous_cube
Feb 13, 2005

divabot posted:

What the poo poo is "witch house" supposed to be anyway. (The Wikipedia article is of course filled with so many qualifiers as to be useless.)

Think I posted this mix before, but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCIojbRhBns

Big detuned saw waves, lots of reverb, trap drum beats, ghostly and cabal imagery. Heard some pretty cool stuff from it, but I think it suffers the same thing as dubstep and retrowave and a lot of these other micro-genres that pop up that everything that can be done with them has been done in a couple years.

Does anyone have any solid Witch House albums to check out? I mainly pick up songs here and there from youtube mixes and spotify playlists.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




divabot posted:

What the poo poo is "witch house" supposed to be anyway. (The Wikipedia article is of course filled with so many qualifiers as to be useless.)

Goth/industrial music that's considered palatable by people in their teens/early twenties?

Also somewhat characterised by using Unicode characters like crosses, daggers and triangles in band names. So yeah "V▲LH▲LL" is pretty clearly going for witch house.

E: ^^^ Yeah, this one sounds pretty good to me.

Failed Nihilist
Apr 10, 2015

magiccarpet posted:

the new crystal castles is not nearly as bad as i was expecting

it is certainly better than the new youth code, if that is a way to compare things.

The only person I ever knew that seriously listened to Crystal Castles was my hipster druggie friend in high school.

Also, sup everyone. I've been posting on SA well over a year and didn't know this thread was here.

Bayham Badger
Jan 19, 2007

Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.

my interest in listening to new Crystal Castles has diminished rapidly with every new video and picture of the band since Alice Glass left. 'Deicide' was alright, I guess.



Also the only "witch house" I've enjoyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GVl4vduI8A

edit:

some new vaguely electro-industrial that I've been digging lately https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=facG8Lyv3Yk

Bayham Badger fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Aug 22, 2016

Failed Nihilist
Apr 10, 2015
The chick practically worshipped Alice Glass, tried to look like her, the whole nine yards. Though I'm not much better. The last 2 years, I've vaguely tried to look like Andy LaPlegua from Combichrist, minus the 86 tattoos.

God Of Paradise
Jan 23, 2012
You know, I'd be less worried about my 16 year old daughter dating a successful 40 year old cartoonist than dating a 16 year old loser.

I mean, Jesus, kid, at least date a motherfucker with abortion money and house to have sex at where your mother and I don't have to hear it. Also, if he treats her poorly, boom, that asshole's gonna catch a statch charge.

Please, John K. Date my daughter... Save her from dating smelly dropouts who wanna-be Soundcloud rappers.
I'm looking for other EBM or industrial bands that sound similiar to Front 242.

The last music of this style I found that I liked was The Forces EP. Any recommendations?

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
I posted a few newer songs in that style some pages ago. Especially Autodafeh sticks pretty closely to the format:

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

God Of Paradise posted:

I'm looking for other EBM or industrial bands that sound similiar to Front 242.

The last music of this style I found that I liked was The Forces EP. Any recommendations?

The Operating Tracks maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9qRIhvSEQ0

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Wikkheiser posted:

It's like ... gothy sounds mixed with hip hop beats.
That's what it sounds like to me anyways.

trip hop goth, like Switchblade Symphony were sorta doing? Sounds plausible.

david_a posted:

I thought early Grimes was supposed to be witch house :iiam:

Bloody is too.

Lead out in cuffs posted:

Goth/industrial music that's considered palatable by people in their teens/early twenties?Also somewhat characterised by using Unicode characters like crosses, daggers and triangles in band names. So yeah "V▲LH▲LL" is pretty clearly going for witch house.
E: ^^^ Yeah, this one sounds pretty good to me.

sounds the most plausible. But for instance someone called Lich "witch house" when it's a Wendy Carlos originals fan going goddamn nuts.

tl;dr genres are made-up bullshit.

Hubbardologist posted:

my interest in listening to new Crystal Castles has diminished rapidly with every new video and picture of the band since Alice Glass left. 'Deicide' was alright, I guess.

Yeah, I heard the new album today. It was ... uh ... competently played and recorded.

ANYWAY! New stuff I heard and reviewed! Darkwave (I particularly recommend the video of Dear Deer being shouty post-punks, it's still stuck in my head - "DEAR - DEER - DEAR - DEER") and SkyQode artists not actually being industrial. From the latter I particularly recommend Kromak's ability to make straight-up trance techno work for the industrial crowd, and Mirreya's singing. Also Rocknerd got Slashdotted and it was like being gummed by a senile newt.

Failed Nihilist
Apr 10, 2015
So I loving hated Combichrist's latest album. It seems like they're trying to dip into the Hot Topic metalcore crowd. Can anyone recommend some good metal-ish aggrotech in lieu of them? I've found Nitronoise to be pretty similar.

God Of Paradise
Jan 23, 2012
You know, I'd be less worried about my 16 year old daughter dating a successful 40 year old cartoonist than dating a 16 year old loser.

I mean, Jesus, kid, at least date a motherfucker with abortion money and house to have sex at where your mother and I don't have to hear it. Also, if he treats her poorly, boom, that asshole's gonna catch a statch charge.

Please, John K. Date my daughter... Save her from dating smelly dropouts who wanna-be Soundcloud rappers.

Entropist posted:

I posted a few newer songs in that style some pages ago. Especially Autodafeh sticks pretty closely to the format:

Autodafeh sounds like it could be off Tyranny for You, pretty cool.

I guess that weird retrofuture sound from Geography was a product of the times that would be hard to replicate now. It probably sounds like that due to their limitations.

Bayham Badger
Jan 19, 2007

Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.

Failed Nihilist posted:

So I loving hated Combichrist's latest album. It seems like they're trying to dip into the Hot Topic metalcore crowd. Can anyone recommend some good metal-ish aggrotech in lieu of them? I've found Nitronoise to be pretty similar.

Some Gesaffelstein maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRSijEW_cDM Video is mildly nsfw for titties. Reminds me of Joy of Gunz and Everybody Hates You era combichrist, a bit.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

PinkoBastard posted:

I agree with this, too, even though I think it's a collection of very strong songs the sequencing is pretty bad. This is pretty nerdy but off the top of my head, the album would run this way:

DIY
Today
Sycophant
Full Worm Garden
Witness

That's All
Bereit
R U OK?
Rubicon
Adios

This is a tough album to sequence, though. Witness and Sycophant are particularly tough to place.
From the last page, but I just got around to listening to this and I definitely like it better than the released order :thumbsup:

I feel like That's All should be moved a spot farther down but I'm not sure how I would rearrange it to fix that...

DeusExMachinima
Sep 2, 2012

:siren:This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!:siren:

Put this loser on ignore immediately!

Failed Nihilist posted:

So I loving hated Combichrist's latest album. It seems like they're trying to dip into the Hot Topic metalcore crowd. Can anyone recommend some good metal-ish aggrotech in lieu of them? I've found Nitronoise to be pretty similar.

Older Combichrist

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

DeusExMachinima posted:

Older Combichrist

:applause:

Hey, anyone here a musician on Bandcamp? I'm writing a blog post on why it's great, which I want to put up tomorrow. To me as a listener it's pretty much the perfect record store for 2016. But what's it like for you as a musician? What I hear from the indie kids is that they don't make much money selling records on Bandcamp, but they don't make much money selling records any other way. And I see these bands and labels dumping substantial portions of their back catalogue there. So what's it like at the sharp end?

a cyborg mug
Mar 8, 2010



divabot posted:

:applause:

Hey, anyone here a musician on Bandcamp? I'm writing a blog post on why it's great, which I want to put up tomorrow. To me as a listener it's pretty much the perfect record store for 2016. But what's it like for you as a musician? What I hear from the indie kids is that they don't make much money selling records on Bandcamp, but they don't make much money selling records any other way. And I see these bands and labels dumping substantial portions of their back catalogue there. So what's it like at the sharp end?

Maybe you're more interested in someone who actually sells some music from time to time but to me it's just the ultimate way to display and sell your music. It's just so effortless to set up a good-looking website, let people listen to your music and sell anything you want to, be it digital or physical, in just about any way you want to. The interface and the available tools are all so well-thought-out it's genuinely a pleasure to use. It's also completely transparent how everything works moneywise.

Bandcamp owns is what I'm saying.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

CAT rear end now!!! posted:

Maybe you're more interested in someone who actually sells some music from time to time but to me it's just the ultimate way to display and sell your music. It's just so effortless to set up a good-looking website, let people listen to your music and sell anything you want to, be it digital or physical, in just about any way you want to. The interface and the available tools are all so well-thought-out it's genuinely a pleasure to use. It's also completely transparent how everything works moneywise.

Bandcamp owns is what I'm saying.

yeah, that's what I'd gathered. I've asked some grizzled old musicians who got their catalogue back and put the whole thing up, but I may not hear back from them soon enough to keep up with my punishing and completely self-inflicted one post a day schedule.

On another topic: I have found THE COMPLETE AND HELPFUL ANSWER to WHAT THE gently caress WITCH HOUSE IS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As5c-P4N84Y

The guy has videos on a zillion other electronic subgenres and they're all pisstakes and also completely helpful and accurate. He also has an album of what he did in the videos.

God Of Paradise
Jan 23, 2012
You know, I'd be less worried about my 16 year old daughter dating a successful 40 year old cartoonist than dating a 16 year old loser.

I mean, Jesus, kid, at least date a motherfucker with abortion money and house to have sex at where your mother and I don't have to hear it. Also, if he treats her poorly, boom, that asshole's gonna catch a statch charge.

Please, John K. Date my daughter... Save her from dating smelly dropouts who wanna-be Soundcloud rappers.

divabot posted:


Hey, anyone here a musician on Bandcamp? I'm writing a blog post on why it's great, which I want to put up tomorrow. To me as a listener it's pretty much the perfect record store for 2016. But what's it like for you as a musician? What I hear from the indie kids is that they don't make much money selling records on Bandcamp, but they don't make much money selling records any other way. And I see these bands and labels dumping substantial portions of their back catalogue there. So what's it like at the sharp end?

Yes. Station 5150 at bandcamp. PM me if interested. Having some lovely homemade demos give people the basic idea and help us get gigs booked. That is about the extent of it.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

CAT rear end now!!! posted:

The interface and the available tools are all so well-thought-out it's genuinely a pleasure to use. It's also completely transparent how everything works moneywise.

God Of Paradise posted:

Having some lovely homemade demos give people the basic idea and help us get gigs booked.

Mind if I quote these sentences attributed to your band names? (you almost certainly don't mind, but I thought I should ask first.)

Today's substantial musical contribution: Massenhysterie, Austrian goths doing Neue Deutsche Welleish fetish cabaret with that authentic "we just bought our first MS-20" sound. A tendency to gratuitous quirkiness, but fundamentally you should know what to expect from that description. There's also a video or two.

a cyborg mug
Mar 8, 2010



divabot posted:

Mind if I quote these sentences attributed to your band names? (you almost certainly don't mind, but I thought I should ask first.)

Sure, that'd be cool! And thanks for asking, it's very polite and being polite is the Coolest Thing. Here's my Facebook page if you need a link. I'll of course link to your article too.

Babby Sathanas
May 16, 2006

bearbating is now adorable
Infest this Friday! Absolutely can't wait. Goon roll call? (or just Octopus and I?)

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

Babby Sathanas posted:

Infest this Friday! Absolutely can't wait. Goon roll call? (or just Octopus and I?)

SPOILER ALERT: I'm going to get drunk and watch a bunch of bands. Some of them good. Some of them probably not.

Babby Sathanas
May 16, 2006

bearbating is now adorable

Danger - Octopus! posted:

SPOILER ALERT: I'm going to get drunk and watch a bunch of bands. Some of them good. Some of them probably not.

Spoiler alert: I will get drunk attempt to not embarrass myself and probably fail. Before or after screaming at ATR and VAC.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Babby Sathanas posted:

Spoiler alert: I will get drunk attempt to not embarrass myself and probably fail. Before or after screaming at ATR and VAC.

Don't forget to ask all the bands if they're Witch House. Tell them Diva wanted to know, and see how many fly into a rage.

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