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CuddlyZombie posted:Cognitive Behavioral Therapy: The other CBT! I... Wasn't aware CBT stood for anything other than Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. ...............Oh, God, I thought I had seen every disturbing thing on the internet. Waffleman_ posted:Also, it was really hard for me to tell that Hori was doing the song. The only real tipoff was the lower framerate, which....didn't look good? Personally, that's what tipped me off, because it looked like a lot of other Trigger shows. Not including the one that barely even counts as "animated".
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But it didn't look that different from the show as usual, which...kinda defeats the purpose of a guest animator?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I really like his arm was broken. It's such a cartoon thing to do to talk like things have consequences then not show them. It feels like any other cartoon would have done this episode and had it "I done bopped him right on the head" and not really show anyone as hurting anyone for real . It's weird but it feels rare for shows to even bother to show that hurting people hurts people. Eh, that might be true if some styles, but I can't think of any if the current good CN shows that wouldn't show consequence. Hell, even TTG would have shown it if only to make the team feel bad.
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Waffleman_ posted:But it didn't look that different from the show as usual, which...kinda defeats the purpose of a guest animator? Takafumi Hori enjoys drawing shockingly on model Steven Universe fanart.
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My s/o pointed out that the falling scene also has a pretty direct reference to spirited away.
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axleblaze posted:Eh, that might be true if some styles, but I can't think of any if the current good CN shows that wouldn't show consequence. Hell, even TTG would have shown it if only to make the team feel bad. Gumball thrives on making a mess of everything and then pretending it never happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Sy6GJAQto
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Rhonne posted:Will Stevonnie ever get shoes? Where would you get children's shoes to fit a 6'6" hermaphrodite?
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Philip Rivers posted:Gumball thrives on making a mess of everything and then pretending it never happened. Yeah but even then they don't really back off on characters doing things and the horrible consequences of their actions within episode, like the knocking out Tobias, or head butting Penny and cracking her shell.
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axleblaze posted:As for the episode, I do like the idea that Connie is feeling bad for just throwing a guy and it was easily fixed, meanwhile Steven hs flat out pretty much been involved in the beating up and indefinite imprisoning/infinitely floating in space of multiple Gems and it's just like man, that other thing seems kind of minor now. I loved that although Connie's thing seemed minor at the end it still required the same process to start healing than Steven's. Although I did get a kick at "i accidentally showed the basics of CQC to a child because Pearl made me a living weapon" compared to "i bubbled my mom's enemy, saw Jasper get corrupted essentially out of sheer hate for mom and i couldn't heal her, Kars'd some Ruby and the complicated feelings got MEGA COMPLICATED after the reveal that she killed a space president" Guess the episode hit at just the right time for me. My girlfriend and I have been getting some anxiety from a lot of places and a nice reminder that talking is the best thing ever was very fortunate.
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hopeandjoy posted:I... Wasn't aware CBT stood for anything other than Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I think we all learned a valuable lesson today
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Are they phasing in a new ending song? I think Mindful Education will be more significant in hindsight. It's definitely a pretty Message episode, and one that marks a very conspicuous milestone in Steven's growth. The giant angry Rose Quartz face is emblematic of the new wrinkle in Steven's main issue. Season 4 deals with the sudden shift from feeling very pressured to be her to feeling shocked to learn more about who she was. The discovery that the person he has spent a lifetime being compared to and identified with did some things that he hates? That's heavy. It's easy to read the last few super-light episodes as attempts to go on living (go on having the show) as though everything is fine and nobody died horribly, and today as an explicit repudiation of that direction. In a none-too-subtle lesson, today Steven, Connie, and by extension Stevonnie learned that pain is nothing to be afraid of, by entering a situation in which a fear of pain literally almost got them killed. And by getting a bit of therapy. The urgency of their imminent deaths underscored the nature of Steven and Connie's relationship, and the very most fruitful companionships generally. She finds in him the inspiration and strength to overcome herself, then he finds in her the drive and direction to follow. It also skillfully reuses the motif of the last time we saw him falling from a great height - at that time, he was joyous, and the risk was that he'd stay suspended in the air as a child forever (enabled, but not caused, by his family's indulgence), and he consciously and explicitly decided to suppress thoughts of Rose. Maturation as represented by miraculously surviving chuteless skydiving is a unique one. I wonder what that says about Peridot's recent Wile E. Coyote plummet, or the time Amethyst slipped off the cliff and cracked herself. I think that I'm ready to see a Garnet who does not have all the answers again, though.
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HeartPlug posted:I think we all learned a valuable lesson today I googled CBT and only got Cognitive Behavioral Therapy stuff, decided to look it up on tumblr and, uhhhhh, that's a lot of stuff alright.  But I still got no idea what CBT is.
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I think Trigger probably worked on the second fight scene as well. I really can't think of many shows that represent anxiety and panic attacks as well as this one, even in a non-abstracted way (such as Steven during Gem Drill). It's so good.
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Considering how full-on anime the end of the song sequence went with Connie flopping on the ground followed by Ruby and the others, I don't know how anyone could not pick up on a Trigger animator's work. I liked this episode a lot. Just today I ended up calling out of work for mental health reasons and it was cathartic seeing something like how to handle anxiety and depressive issues like intrusive thoughts show up in the episode. That the message was paired with such a nice song helped. I think it might just be my new favorite song and a strong contender for my favorite episode overall.
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Bongo Bill posted:Are they phasing in a new ending song? Steven has spent all his life surrounded by people who looked up to and loved Rose Quartz. He wanted to live up to the legacy she left, wanted to be the person people expected him to be, wanted to love his mom as others loved her, and now he finds out that she was flawed and secretive, that she killed for her goals, and imprisoned those who dissented from her methods. He needs to find within himself if he can accept this, if he can move forward with his own goals, if he should still struggle to save those she could not, or redeem those she failed. It's a huge burden for a 14 year old, and he hasn't felt he can speak with those who knew Rose, hasn't been able to untangle how he feel about it, and hasn't wanted to burden Connie. He still wants to be a crystal gem, but he has to figure out what that means for him now.
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Waffleman_ posted:But it didn't look that different from the show as usual, which...kinda defeats the purpose of a guest animator? the butterflies are the real thing that is different, and are also what tipped me off. their movement, and the way the masses of them are depicted are simply extremely "anime". Funny enough, the "framerate" is a big part of this, and a big part of why anime looks the way it does.
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gently caress, I gotta watch this again tomorrow. I think I was just way too distracted by not understanding the song to appreciate it.
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Episode was amazing and gorgeous and definitely resonated with me, as I deal with depression a good deal. That's my hot take. It was good and cool. 
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i feel like the ending music is going somewhere new. somebody else described it as "eerie but gentle"
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It's the Steven Universe Murder Theme It's gonna get dark
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I remember hoping weeks ago that there would be more happy episodes. I was wrong to hope
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i need to rewatch this in a few hours i think
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about the song: often painful emotions manifest in thoughts you cannot let go and that constantly cycle. Mindfulness means being in the present moment on purpose and often the basic exercise is to focus on your breathing and if you have a thought just sort of observe that you had a thought and then let it go. Often these meditation exercises have you use imagery, such as imagining you are at a stream and your thoughts are leaves floating past you, and you just observe them and let them go... or in this case butterflies  snucks posted:This. I've been waiting for an episode about how Steven feels letting people die and this delivered beyond my wildest expectations, especially as a fan of CBT/mindfulness. I know this is silly and this stuff is to some extent lost on pretty much every child watching this, but SU providing a cultural reference for valid coping mechanisms is one of those things that gives me hope for a better future. Yeah this is a good thing they're doing. These concepts can be hard to get and every exposure kids and adults have to it is a step to getting it.
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Swedish Horror posted:I remember hoping weeks ago that there would be more happy episodes. I was wrong to hope The ultimate lesson of Steven Universe is that hope is a lie degeminize yourself
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I don't think I liked this episode. Most of it is introspection about events that happened offscreen during the episode, and we the viewers are not a party to the actual introspection, we only see Stevonnie sitting pensively as a vague, mostly unrelated visual metaphor plays out. And all this in the name of training children to have the instinct to kill. Real great. Pretty snazzy animation though. Real fluid amorphous blobs there.
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NecroMonster posted:the butterflies are the real thing that is different, and are also what tipped me off. their movement, and the way the masses of them are depicted are simply extremely "anime". Funny enough, the "framerate" is a big part of this, and a big part of why anime looks the way it does. For me it was the faces. Sapphire's quivering eye, and Ruby's close-up face, and then some of the expressions on both Steven and Connie were super intricate and well drawn.
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The only CBT to me is Classic Battletech. This was a loving incredible episode, by the way.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I don't think I liked this episode. Most of it is introspection about events that happened offscreen during the episode, and we the viewers are not a party to the actual introspection, we only see Stevonnie sitting pensively as a vague, mostly unrelated visual metaphor plays out. And all this in the name of training children to have the instinct to kill. Real great. This episode is a good example of everything happening from Steven's perspective (and the fusions he's involved in by association). Connie had done something that upset her, and even though Steven didn't know the specifics, we can still see how Stevonnie experiences Connie's pain. It gives some interesting insight into Garnet's experience too, we've seen her talk to herself and nearly fall apart before with the forced fusions, which is probably how she knows exactly what Stevonnie is dealing with in the first place. Garnet was teaching Stevonnie how to talk through your issues with your friends and partners because she's an expert at it.
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That was such a weird episode. But holy crap, that song. Estelle song #2 out of nowhere. I wasn't that into it at first, but around the time Stevonnie started singing it got better and better and by the end I was very much in love with it. A lot of songs in this show are barely a minute long, so I love when they let them expand to full-length. It does have an impact on the structure of the episode, though. Not a lot happened in this ep, but I still really liked it. It's fun to break away from the norm and do something different, and it had a really good, important message. In general, though, everything about it was sort of a slow burn that I didn't really like until halfway through. I'm definitely gonna have to rewatch it.
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A lot happened in this episode because Steven Universe is fueled by emotional beats and not plot progression.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I don't think I liked this episode. Most of it is introspection about events that happened offscreen during the episode, and we the viewers are not a party to the actual introspection, we only see Stevonnie sitting pensively as a vague, mostly unrelated visual metaphor plays out. And all this in the name of training children to have the instinct to kill. Real great. I think that was very literally the point. This wasn't an episode about solving any specific problem and didn't want to bog down on the details of any one specific issue, it was an episode of the necessity of dealing with a problem instead of just ruining your whole life running away and not confronting the things harming your wellbeing. Like the goal of this episode wasn't to guide people on what to do if you physically hurt someone (although that could be a steven universe episode) it was a guide to "what if you did a thing you hate and it's messing you up but you are just avoiding even having the conversations that need to be had about it"
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Stevonnie... Remember... Who you are...
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Philip Rivers posted:A lot happened in this episode because Steven Universe is fueled by emotional beats and not plot progression. On this show, emotional progression and personal development are plot progression.
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By focusing on past pain and dealing with it Steven, Connie and Stevonnie can progress even further. Season 5 finale spoilers "That’s right, you’re not dealing with the average fusion anymore, Yellow Diamond. I, Stevonnie, have finally become- the legendary- Super Fusion!"
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Waffleman_ posted:gently caress, I gotta watch this again tomorrow. I think I was just way too distracted by not understanding the song to appreciate it. Same. I'll watch it again with what I've learned in this thread. Someday, I gotta do all this CBT/DBT/etc therapy stuff so I can be less neurotic and anxious. Someday.
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Infinitum posted:Stevonnie... Remember... Who you are... When Homeworld turns its back on you, you turn your back on Homewold!
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Infinitum posted:Stevonnie... Remember... Who you are... This....is Cartoon Network.....This.......is Cartoon Network.....Cartoon.....Network....
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Pollyanna posted:Same. I'll watch it again with what I've learned in this thread. You can! That's the point of this episode (Mindful Education)! The most basic element of CBT-based forms of therapy is mindfulness - you stay present in the moment, acknowledge thoughts as they come, process them, and let them go. We get stuck on things and build them up in our heads and if you never actually deal with your issues, they'll just fester and take up more and more emotional energy. It's a lot like breathing, you have to let your thoughts in and be able to let them go.
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