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Marching Powder posted:I am not arguing that. At all. I'm saying the punch you don't see coming can come from eye level, and does all the time, if properly disguised by feints and other subtle movements of the body. 'seeing' the gloves means gently caress all, see also, goal keepers in soccer penalties. The ball is right there! Just follow it! *dives in complete opposite direction* aaaah, okay. so it's sort of either one works. sorry about that
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It also helps if they can't see your hands at all though. Some fighters will recognize feints and milling hands better than punches that come from the hip and vice versa. This isn't some binary thing and some fighters do one of/some of these things better than others.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:It also helps if they can't see your hands at all though That's why Jon Jones is the greatest. More gouges for all!
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Tezcatlipoca posted:It also helps if they can't see your hands at all though. Some fighters will recognize feints and milling hands better than punches that come from the hip and vice versa. This isn't some binary thing and some fighters do one of/some of these things better than others. Basic fundamentals, though, are to keep your guard up. The only people who should be fighting with their guard down are good enough strikers to take the risk or motivated by takedown defense. I would never fault a fighter for keeping his hands on his hips against a guy like Maia.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:It also helps if they can't see your hands at all though there are some dragon ball z citations that im sure someone can find for this too
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I didn't know Thomas Hearns was in DBZ.
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Wondeyboy does that too if you're looking for an MMA example. Just kinda flicking the jab up to eye level from his hip.
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Anderson knocked okami down with an up jab
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Whittaker does it a bit too. Its also why a rising front kick like Anderson does or did to Vitor and Joe Schilling does to everyone can be so dangerous. It comes from an angle thats really hard to see if you're focusing on hand movement.
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Marching Powder posted:I am not arguing that. At all. I'm saying the punch you don't see coming can come from eye level, and does all the time, if properly disguised by feints and other subtle movements of the body. 'seeing' the gloves means gently caress all, see also, goal keepers in soccer penalties. The ball is right there! Just follow it! *dives in complete opposite direction* Diving to save penalties is almost always a complete guess, I'm not sure it's a great analogy.
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It's not a bad one. When it's a match that can go to a penalty shootout, teams always have studies put together about the habits of potential penalty takers, including tells in their run ups, areas the striker often tries to score in or other habits that have consistent tells into ways the the striker shoots. There's not much difference between this and studying a fighter's style. When all is said and done, penalties are heavily skewed towards a striker and even if someone takes the same penalty they take a 100 times and it goes in the same angle, speed and place you probably won't save it, but the sport is so valuable and so much money rides on it in different ways that you better believe that goalkeepers study tape and try to figure out who will shoot where. It's probably a lot less prevalent, but still likely to happen, week in week out for league matches. If you're playing Man United and you know Wayne Rooney takes their penalties, you're going to study up a bit just incase, even though you probably won't face a penner.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Diving to save penalties is almost always a complete guess, I'm not sure it's a great analogy. it's a good enough analogy for the importance being able to see the glove the entire time has to whether or not you get punched. you don't watch gloves when you're fighting and react whenever you see them move. it's too fast, and you'd look like a retard treating every single feint and movement like a punch. you are taking in just an enormous amount of information coming from insanely subtle and not-so-subtle cues across the entire body of another human. it's hard to explain but having your fists just out of peripheral vision does not mean you can now land at will (see also: kicks of any kind) and with any advantages it actually has it comes with it a whole big bunch of negatives. it's a style of fighting no more or less legitimate than basically any other, it depends mostly on the artist.
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I have a friend who has never once picked anything other than rock in rock, paper, scissors. Everyone knows this, but plenty of people always think "this is it. This is the time he picks something else" and then they lose. That's exactly what penalty kicks in soccer are like: people can have all the information in the world but in the heat of the moment lots of people just impulse guess and gently caress up Anyways, I only read the last two posts and have no idea what this has to do with mma
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Nothing beats rock. Good old rock!
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Diving to save penalties is almost always a complete guess, I'm not sure it's a great analogy. on the other hand buffon managed to guess right every single time during the european championship penalties against germany, which was like, 10 times or something some people are just better at that stuff
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Koscheck was a pro mma diver, but nothing compares to that Brazilian guy who started rolling around trying to get a dq win like he'd been physically destroyed by a foul and wore a neck brace the next day for a photo shoot to try and convince everyone he was for real totally hurt you guys
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Pedro Nobre, that dingus.
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What do people here think of the Portland UFC Fight Night Card? http://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-fight-night-portland?id= I can see this card live but I don't know the fighters well enough to know if this is a good card or not. I figure Lineker/Dodson will be insane but I'm worried that that might be a quick fight. I guess what I'm asking is, is this card worth the $150 or so to see live?
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College Rockout posted:What do people here think of the Portland UFC Fight Night Card? go see that loving card. ufc events are always fun live regardless of quality, but lineker / dodson is very relevant and sick, ill will brooks is fresh from bellator and an insanely good fighter fighting 'the other cowboy' who has literally never had a boring fight. speaking of not having a boring fight, it's louis smolka beating the poo poo out of baby pettis! barncat fighting marquardt? why? who the gently caress cares barncat is awesome.
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Marching Powder posted:go see that loving card. ufc events are always fun live regardless of quality, but lineker / dodson is very relevant and sick, ill will brooks is fresh from bellator and an insanely good fighter fighting 'the other cowboy' who has literally never had a boring fight. speaking of not having a boring fight, it's louis smolka beating the poo poo out of baby pettis! barncat fighting marquardt? why? who the gently caress cares barncat is awesome. Yeah go see that card for real
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Ok literally buying the tickets right now, thanks!
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College Rockout posted:Ok literally buying the tickets right now, thanks! if you had asked earlier in the week, i would have told you to get in touch with kensei, he's using my UFC Fight Club presale code.
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That's a good card, nice match-ups all through out.
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This is a strange question but I once saw someone in a "your favorite MMA fighter" thread mention a Japanese MMA guy who had a style described as "he seems to think pro wrestling and anime are both real", and I was wondering who that might be, because I can't find that thread anymore.
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Alain Post posted:This is a strange question but I once saw someone in a "your favorite MMA fighter" thread mention a Japanese MMA guy who had a style described as "he seems to think pro wrestling and anime are both real", and I was wondering who that might be, because I can't find that thread anymore. Do a google video search for "Minowaman" and report back
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May also be Anthony Pettis 1. Motivated to avenge the death of his father 2. Runs off the cage like a ninja, prefers flying attacks 3. Impossibly angular facial hair 4. Doesn't "actually" wrestle 5. Morally abhorrent sexual deviant
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who are some fighters whose falls from grace were extremely satisfying and cool to watch?
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Aye Doc posted:who are some fighters whose falls from grace were extremely satisfying and cool to watch? I think you could watch Tito vs: Chuck 1 and 2 Machida Rashad 2 Little Nog Fedor vs: Werdum Bigfoot Hendo and be very satisfied
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Aye Doc posted:who are some fighters whose falls from grace were extremely satisfying and cool to watch? 1. Anderson Silva, but I am a considerable minority on this 2. Jamie Varner 3. Pretty Tony Pettis 4. Jon Jones' was frustrating at first but some of the proest posts this forum has ever seen were birthed of his immeasurable fuckups 5. Brock Lesnar
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Aye Doc posted:who are some fighters whose falls from grace were extremely satisfying and cool to watch? Tim Silvia That time Ronda went from champion of the world and the most famous mma fighter ever to drunk, making GBS threads in the woods from a fast food binge, within a week
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Bluedeanie posted:4. Jon Jones' was frustrating at first but some of the proest posts this forum has ever seen were birthed of his immeasurable fuckups Yeah, but in the cage, it was just one lackluster fight against OSP. His haters have yet to see him get totally owned in a fight. I don't have anything against Renan Barao, but his getting completely dominated by TJ twice was satisfying for his getting tested on the simplicity of his game and the general raising of expectations for MMA striking. Speaking of, where does that "barao-rao-rao-rao" joke come from?
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kimbo305 posted:Yeah, but in the cage, it was just one lackluster fight against OSP. His haters have yet to see him get totally owned in a fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwP04-diHtc
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:I think you could watch Tito vs: How after the "Aftapaddy" and "if you hev drem gohed is pastabowl" speech when he killed rashad. Can you not like machida?
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:Fedor vs: and Fabio
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All the new guys still following -- this The Ultimate Fighter season should be well worth watching, unlike the last several. Each contestant is more of a known quantity, by virtue of being a champion of some local/regional promotion. If nothing else, should be free decent fights if you have the channel.
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First EP was pretty entertaining - somebody that's not me should start a thread so I don't get spoiled.
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yeah I found the first 2 fights to be incredibly doap, and the narrative is doing a really swell job of humanizing all the fighters with backstories and poo poo instead of trying to make them all seem like awesome hypermasculine badasses who have like 1 distinguishing characteristic each
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:I think you could watch Tito vs: this was everything i wanted. the barely comprehensible post-fight interviews with tito, the desperate attempts by rogan & goldberg to make tito sound like the poo poo as he is getting punched mercilessly, their ability to do so waning as tito just does nothing and gets his rear end kicked. watching fedor get destroyed was cool and good but did not resonate in the same way. thanks a lot!
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The only time Dana White has given his own money to a fighter was when Machida beat Tito. They cut Tito after that fight (I think) and Dana cut a check for $50,000.
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