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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
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Javid posted:

Re: pulling codes

I have a pre-OBDII car, how hosed am I for plugging a reader into it? And if there's no CEL is there even any point?

What kind of car? There's probably a method of pulling codes that's fairly easy. With my old Civic all you needed was a paperclip.

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Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
89 cougar. It has some kind of port somewhere but I don't know exactly what it is.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Javid posted:

89 cougar. It has some kind of port somewhere but I don't know exactly what it is.

Here you are my friend, looks pretty much the same as what I did, this should be what you need to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl2lqqS7vvE

And here's the list of codes

http://www.fordforums.com/f439/eec-iv-diagnostic-codes-89-97-thunderbird-cougar-43570/

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





The Royal Nonesuch posted:

On this note, if at all possible, try to find/get recommended a good smogcheck shop. I

Unfortunately, here the only way to get inspected is the state-run stations. All they do is testing / visual inspections so at least you know there's a zero percent chance they're holding a fail over your head to get a few extra bucks out of you, and they'll actually give you a gas cap for free if you fail because of that (cheaper to give those away than to do retests). But you also have no ability to find one that's any more competent, and if one of them does something like the one that set that guy's test status to waiver-only, you can't do anything about it but go to the waiver station.

Re: codes pre-OBD2, it's a different level of importance. Before OBD2, there was zero standardization for engine diagnostic codes, so they were of no real use to an inspector. Here in AZ, 1967-1995 cars get actual sniffer tests. They don't care about the CEL, or if the car even has one present. OBD2 standardizes emissions codes and can be used as a grounds to fail a car. 1996+ cars just get a computer scan, visual inspection, and a gas cap test.

IOwnCalculus fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Sep 1, 2016

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
I don't have to smog here, I just want to know how to pull codes for my own use. However, I am specifically after scanning devices, not blinking lights or whatever.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





A lot of those early systems had limited to no real ability to communicate with a scan tool. Any that did, would have had a specific scan tool. Way back in the day a lot of the inexpensive "scan tools" were just fancy versions of jamming a paperclip between two pins.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
I made a serial plug tool for my 88 olds delta 88. It was kickass: it showed coolant temp, "closed loop" status, target idle speed (which I could change), knock sensor events, tach, and o2 sensor voltage.

Strangely the program I used only worked on win 98, and did not show codes.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Javid posted:

Re: pulling codes

I have a pre-OBDII car, how hosed am I for plugging a reader into it? And if there's no CEL is there even any point?

How pre-OBDII? I've got a 1966 that doesn't have a computer so there's nothing to scan. But if you're talking about a car from the 70s/89s/90s that's computer controlled, there's a scanner type available. It's just going to be proprietary and probably hard to find now. A lot of cars had tricks to get something to blink a code at you, or something like that. I had a Ford scanner for my 93 Taurus, for example, but I can't remember what they called their system.

Edit: drat you, new page.

Anywhere, something like this will probably work.

Godholio fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Sep 1, 2016

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.

Javid posted:

Re: pulling codes

I have a pre-OBDII car, how hosed am I for plugging a reader into it? And if there's no CEL is there even any point?

I know on 87-90 RENIX 4.0L XJ/MJs, guys swear by the SnapOn MT2500 scanner and the appropriate cartridge for it that teaches it how to talk to a RENIX ECU. It can read all sorts of stuff, including some transmission diagnostics I didn't even know were possible on a RENIX.

So depending on how technophobic your particular vehicle's community is, you might find info like that available and buy the stuff off ebay, or you might only find paperclip tricks and "just rip it all out and throw a carb on er".

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Radiators. I need to buy a replacement one as I'm making sure the cooling system is bang on. There are several options all the same size, the only difference being how many rows of I guess cooling fins they offer. There's single, double and triple row up for grabs. All would be better than the cheap trash I currently have but what would offer optimum cooling out of those?

Cheers

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

I had an OBD2 reader that was an engineering sample see me through two cars, but it finally died. I blame the manufacturing and not the fact it's an 8 year old engineering sample. :v:

Now, I was hoping that I could just wander into a Best Buy and get one because there's like 6.8 million of them on the market these days. My idea was bad. I got a "Zubie" and they demand $100 per year to store the readings on their server, which isn't something that I particularly need and am definitely not keen on useless vendor lock in like that.

Are there any OBD2 readers on the market that will upload details to a phone that I can then download to a computer without monthly or yearly fees or (too much) lock in to their particular branding of the same device every other OBD reader has?

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

I specifically asked the smog check guy if this could be a sign that I hadn't put enough miles on since the battery change, and he said that the sensors would have read "incomplete" or something like that instead of "N/A" if that were the case. Was he wrong?

In all the OBDII scanners I've used N/A means just that: not applicable. As in, your car simply doesn't have it. I/M monitors that are not yet set are listed as INC/Incomplete.

If ALL of your monitors are N/A either the scanner is wrong/incompatible protocol or this is one of those very few cases where it's actually an ECU problem.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Motronic posted:

In all the OBDII scanners I've used N/A means just that: not applicable. As in, your car simply doesn't have it. I/M monitors that are not yet set are listed as INC/Incomplete.

If ALL of your monitors are N/A either the scanner is wrong/incompatible protocol or this is one of those very few cases where it's actually an ECU problem.

It was practically all of the sensors, including stuff that should absolutely be present like O2 and catalytic converter sensors. There was one or two that were reading other than N/A, as I recall, but I didn't get a photo of the guy's scanner.

Guess we'll see tomorrow when the scanner I ordered arrives.

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT
:patriot:
My wife's 2002 (or maybe 2003) MINI Cooper just had to get a new transmission and assorted other parts, which has put another chunk of change on our credit card. We talked yesterday about some possible replacement vehicles for 2-3 years from now, but after some wailing and gnashing of teeth the upshot of the conversation was basically "The only car that would be an acceptable replacement would be my car, but new, and the new MINI Cooper doesn't look right to me and I don't want one."

For us, money is currently an object seeing as I am still finishing my PhD, although she is a professor and does pretty well so assuming I get a decent job in 2-3 years then we'll be able to get a good car for her or for both of us. But again, she really just wants her current car, the early 00s-style MINI Cooper, but in a shape where it will keep running.

So what I'm asking about is, what do people do when they decide they would rather never get another car again and just want to keep their current car effectively forever? Even if she eventually transitioned to a different vehicle for travel purposes vel sim. it seems pretty clear that my wife would never want to get rid of the one she has now, keeping its interior and exterior and mechanical components in good enough order that she can use it for her ~2 mile commute and the occasional weekend outing. So what will we need to know generally about keeping a beloved car going, and what specifically should we know about MINIs, that will enable her to continue to drive this until she's too senile to drive anything?

everdave
Nov 14, 2005

Apollodorus posted:

My wife's 2002 (or maybe 2003) MINI Cooper just had to get a new transmission and assorted other parts, which has put another chunk of change on our credit card. We talked yesterday about some possible replacement vehicles for 2-3 years from now, but after some wailing and gnashing of teeth the upshot of the conversation was basically "The only car that would be an acceptable replacement would be my car, but new, and the new MINI Cooper doesn't look right to me and I don't want one."

For us, money is currently an object seeing as I am still finishing my PhD, although she is a professor and does pretty well so assuming I get a decent job in 2-3 years then we'll be able to get a good car for her or for both of us. But again, she really just wants her current car, the early 00s-style MINI Cooper, but in a shape where it will keep running.

So what I'm asking about is, what do people do when they decide they would rather never get another car again and just want to keep their current car effectively forever? Even if she eventually transitioned to a different vehicle for travel purposes vel sim. it seems pretty clear that my wife would never want to get rid of the one she has now, keeping its interior and exterior and mechanical components in good enough order that she can use it for her ~2 mile commute and the occasional weekend outing. So what will we need to know generally about keeping a beloved car going, and what specifically should we know about MINIs, that will enable her to continue to drive this until she's too senile to drive anything?

The Mini is a mass produced vehicle so other than garaging it if possible and taking care of it there is no reason you can't keep it forever as long as you have the money to spend. Someone with specific Mini maintenance items might want to chime in if there is something that might be becoming NLA and if so you could buy that part and set it aside. Plenty of people still drive there 50+ year old cars. On the extreme if BMW still has it available you could purchase a factory new crate replacement engine and or transmission to stockpile (if available but I am sure that could be close to 10k if even still available)

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~
I'd get divorced, personally

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

The alternative would be to drop out of your Ph.D. program and become That Guy to the 2002-03 Mini community. Collect a stable of parts minis in the back yard, get to know each one intimately, and keep your wife's car frankensteined together well past the anticipated lifetime of a modern automobile.

Side effects include poor grammar and weird racist beliefs.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Javid posted:

Re: pulling codes

I have a pre-OBDII car, how hosed am I for plugging a reader into it? And if there's no CEL is there even any point?

I bought an EEC-IV reader for my 86 Crown Vic and it was able to pull some codes even though the CEL wasn't on. Worked pretty great, although the process of getting the codes was more involved than "plug reader under dash and read codes whenever". I think it was $20 on Amazon or so.

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT
:patriot:

Safety Dance posted:

The alternative would be to drop out of your Ph.D. program and become That Guy to the 2002-03 Mini community. Collect a stable of parts minis in the back yard, get to know each one intimately, and keep your wife's car frankensteined together well past the anticipated lifetime of a modern automobile.

Side effects include poor grammar and weird racist beliefs.

I actually brought this up last night to her, but she thought it would be weird. In fact, I think what she said she would do if I went that direction was

PaintVagrant posted:

I'd get divorced, personally

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
What the gently caress happened



This is the inside of my left front rotor. Is that melted rear end bearings or something? Something inside there broke because poo poo started grinding up and my wheel looked like it was falling off even though all the lugs were tight.

Volkerball fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Sep 1, 2016

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

The bearing is hosed. Along with other things.

It's time to disassemble it and see what's up.

clam ache
Sep 6, 2009

Volkerball posted:

What the gently caress happened



This is the inside of my left front rotor. Is that melted rear end bearings or something? Something inside there broke because poo poo started grinding up and my wheel looked like it was falling off even though all the lugs were tight.

Chooched the wheel bearing. If your lucky it didn't mess the axle up either. It will also wear on your brakes if you drive on it too much.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Motronic posted:

The bearing is hosed. Along with other things.

It's time to disassemble it and see what's up.

my stepdad and i are going to crack into it this weekend. it's hosed but it's not as totally hosed as i originally thought. thanks for the roadside assistance guys.

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT
:patriot:
Is there actually a Mini thread here in AI? I can't seem to find one.

Alarbus
Mar 31, 2010

Apollodorus posted:

Is there actually a Mini thread here in AI? I can't seem to find one.

Mini people occasionally post in the BMW thread, since they're technically BMWs now. Mini people tend to be odd and insular though. You'll get to hear how great old BMWs are, so there's that.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
There's a few very large Mini groups on Facebook, might be some of what you're looking for there.

Christobevii3
Jul 3, 2006

88h88 posted:

Radiators. I need to buy a replacement one as I'm making sure the cooling system is bang on. There are several options all the same size, the only difference being how many rows of I guess cooling fins they offer. There's single, double and triple row up for grabs. All would be better than the cheap trash I currently have but what would offer optimum cooling out of those?

Cheers

More walls cool better typically. I'd get a double wall if price isn't much different over a single. Triple is probably expensive

epic bird guy
Dec 9, 2014

Apollodorus posted:

My wife's 2002 (or maybe 2003) MINI Cooper just had to get a new transmission and assorted other parts, which has put another chunk of change on our credit card. We talked yesterday about some possible replacement vehicles for 2-3 years from now, but after some wailing and gnashing of teeth the upshot of the conversation was basically "The only car that would be an acceptable replacement would be my car, but new, and the new MINI Cooper doesn't look right to me and I don't want one."

For us, money is currently an object seeing as I am still finishing my PhD, although she is a professor and does pretty well so assuming I get a decent job in 2-3 years then we'll be able to get a good car for her or for both of us. But again, she really just wants her current car, the early 00s-style MINI Cooper, but in a shape where it will keep running.

So what I'm asking about is, what do people do when they decide they would rather never get another car again and just want to keep their current car effectively forever? Even if she eventually transitioned to a different vehicle for travel purposes vel sim. it seems pretty clear that my wife would never want to get rid of the one she has now, keeping its interior and exterior and mechanical components in good enough order that she can use it for her ~2 mile commute and the occasional weekend outing. So what will we need to know generally about keeping a beloved car going, and what specifically should we know about MINIs, that will enable her to continue to drive this until she's too senile to drive anything?

Odds are good that you will eventually need/want a different car.

Working toward accepting this is recommended.

That said, maintenance, garaging, and not living in a place that has winter or oceans should make it last a long time.

Christobevii3
Jul 3, 2006
Focus st, veloster turbo, fiesta st. Avoid the mini until recent.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Christobevii3 posted:

More walls cool better typically. I'd get a double wall if price isn't much different over a single. Triple is probably expensive

Sweet. The OEM is single, upgraded OEM is a double and suggests 40% better cooling. Triple isn't that much more but I'm not too sure who the company is that makes it where the double is somewhat reputable.

Cheers!

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT
:patriot:

SCA Enthusiast posted:

Odds are good that you will eventually need/want a different car.

Working toward accepting this is recommended.

That said, maintenance, garaging, and not living in a place that has winter or oceans should make it last a long time.

We're going to do all of those, except maybe the last one - but we live in the South and winter isn't super cold here even when it snows.

If things work out REALLY well, I'll end up teaching at the same university my wife's at and we'll only need one car for daily driving so the Mini will get an average of <1000 miles per year put on it.

I already do want a different car, but I drive a cheap grad student mobile (late 90s Ford Escort Wagon, yay) that I got only because I needed a car that existed. This Mini is, like, my wife's pride and joy (after her PhD, I guess). With the repairs we just got done to it, it drives like a whole new car which is going to make her want to hold onto it for a while yet.

Christobevii3 posted:

Focus st, veloster turbo, fiesta st. Avoid the mini until recent.

It's funny, we tried the Focus ST and Fiesta ST two years ago when we last contemplated a new car, and while she liked them fine she said neither was an acceptable replacement for the (then) 11-year-old Mini that she got in high school.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
I'm curious if she can actually provide reasons.

Skinnymansbeerbelly
Apr 1, 2010

Apollodorus posted:

What do people do when they decide they would rather never get another car again and just want to keep their current car effectively forever?

I was this way once, and spent a small fortune rebuilding my old Tacoma. It was great.

Then some rear end in a top hat rear ended me, and the cost of repairs exceeded the ACV. That's one way they go.

Do you have smog checks where you live?

Christobevii3
Jul 3, 2006

Godholio posted:

I'm curious if she can actually provide reasons.

Probably British flag roof top option

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT
:patriot:
No the thing is all blue. It's from before you could get the roof decal options, I think, when all they sold were the Cooper and Cooper S in a handful of colors.

It's the only car she's ever owned, had it since high school. It's just really sentimental.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.

Volkerball posted:

my stepdad and i are going to crack into it this weekend. it's hosed but it's not as totally hosed as i originally thought. thanks for the roadside assistance guys.

That one's pretty goddamn bad. As in, have it towed, do not drive it another mile, plan on having to replace the wheel bearing, seals, probably brakes on that end of the car (do both sides, never replace just one side of your brakes), maybe the CV shaft, maybe the steering knuckle, and if you got unlucky enough, the brake caliper and caliper bracket (if any) as well. Has it been making a funny grinding or humming/whining/thrumming noise for a while? The time to fix this economically was when that noise started... it's probably going to be somewhat more painful now. If you got super lucky, it will only need the wheel bearing.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
Back to ODBII chat and sensor wonkiness, I got a new scanner this morning, and here's what it said (03 Honda Civic):





Again, the smog tech said that these should say something other than "NA" if they're behaving properly. Comments?

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
That feels like a comms issue between the diagnostic tool and the ECU more than anything else.

Double check that the connector isn't full of crap, the pins are tight, there are no blown fuses in any of your fusepanels, etc.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

kastein posted:

That feels like a comms issue between the diagnostic tool and the ECU more than anything else.

Double check that the connector isn't full of crap, the pins are tight, there are no blown fuses in any of your fusepanels, etc.

The port is clear, the scanner is brand new. I've never gotten what I'd call a really tight connection with the port, though (with this scanner or an older scanner I used to use). I think it just doesn't have enough depth to fully-engage the pins. But the scanner can definitely communicate with the car -- it can e.g. get the engine RPM, oil temperature, etc.

Checked all the fuses that sounded remotely related and they're all in good shape.

The scanner claims to "see" three different ECUs but as far as I can tell there's no difference between them.

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CharlieWhiskey
Aug 18, 2005

everything, all the time

this is the world

Apollodorus posted:

It's the only car she's ever owned, had it since high school. It's just really sentimental.
Yet another reason to take it off the road. She can be that cool professor with the classic car, but costs and maintenance for a nearly 20 year old car will only go up. Parts will get discontinued and then you have to go into the aftermarket. If she is wrenching on it, great. If not, daily driving a car that old will get expensive.

Get her daily driving something else, in any case.

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