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Ciaphas posted:After concrete tomorrow I need to figure out when best to (and NOT to) use 'bots and how many of each kind I really need or want I normally just let robots build forever but keyed off 1x robot frame. 1x assembler 2 making robot frames is one electric engine assembler 2 to itself and will make a robot every 25 seconds. Alternate the use of frames to make what you need at the moment. Over 25 seconds the cost is so close to nothing at all, but the constant production means 10 hours after researching robots you still have 1300 robots. 2x frame assemblers is still barely noticeable, and hey extra robots, but if I do that it's usually to replenish lost construction bots in my pack. Logistic bots let you make lemonade out of the biggest lemons you may have accidentally designed but they will always be glacial and low throughput compared to belts. If you make them a part of supply chain it should be for uses equally glacial. I usually set them up for making themselves because 25 seconds per frame is years and while the material worth is low, its diverse. Same with combat modules, you can make elegant set ups for the high tech modules, but I like just roboting them because of the diverse array of poo poo that goes into them. Logistic robots also end up the easiest way to make a sorting train station but I'd expect you'll need a lot more than 1k for that. The real mind blowing use of logistics robots is personal logistic slots. Make them deliver all your basic building materials, ammo, repair packs, or whatever you find yourself using on a normal basis. Use trash slots to recycle old belts to new: they'll come pick up your worthless yellow or red belts and drop them in a requester chest next to the red or blue belt factory. Make them feed your wood (and wood power poles!) into boilers or furnaces. They are at their most useful ferrying things back and forth to you, because after you experience the convenience, picking kit out of a chest doesn't even compare.
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Ciaphas posted:After concrete tomorrow I need to figure out when best to (and NOT to) use 'bots and how many of each kind I really need or want Logistics robots are best used to move things small distances, due to having to recharge and being quite slow until you get enough research. Some people recommend not using them for moving bulk goods, like unloading a train station, but other people do just that. Personally, I find bots are great for smoothing out rough spots in factory design: need to get an item across the factory but don't have room for a belt? Give it to the robots! Unless you have limited resources and making them is putting a strain on the rest of your factory, your can just make as many robots as possible. They won't all be used at the same time, but that's OK. The actual limiting factor is roboports, because you need enough of them to recharge the bots that are active. If your factory requires 100 bots to be active per minute, but you can only charge 50 per minute, eventually they will grind to a halt. Construction robots are also more useful the more area is covered by your roboports. They'll handle repairs and construction tasks the area covered by the roboports, which is huge. If I'm expending my factory, the construction robots in my factory's network can do most of the work for me, especially early on before I have better armor and multiple personal ports. When you place a roboport, the outer green area is covered by construction robots, while the inner orange area is the logistic network.
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Ciaphas posted:After concrete tomorrow I need to figure out when best to (and NOT to) use 'bots and how many of each kind I really need or want I usually start with 400 construction and 200 logistic then add more if I see the counter on roboports say there's none free. Laying concrete is not done with your personal port, it's done with hundreds of bots. There's a mod (sane concrete) that changes concrete to use iron sticks as rebar rather than ore but you're doing a stock run right? Some people make 10s of thousands of logistic bots but unless you're actually using them (check the roboport counter) why bother. Construction bots can also clear wood/rocks from areas quickly (use the red deconstruction blueprint). If you mod, you can use robocharge, a much smaller footprint charger station which saves spamming ports everywhere. milward posted:I decided to get back in the game after a break and to try the modpack that was posted from the MP game and oh god bobs is massive. Tip with bobs, don't try to main bus everything or belt stuff like the resistors. Make small local production units that direct insert or you'll be slowed down by choked belts. Bobs is designed to be a robot heaven late game so be prepared to relocate and rebuild a couple of times as you tech up.
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I tend to automate production of bots and forget about it until I come back from a bug burning expedition and my game lags to poo poo as the botswarm blocks out the smog-filled sky
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Sep 2, 2016 14:41
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Ratzap posted:Tip with bobs, don't try to main bus everything or belt stuff like the resistors. Make small local production units that direct insert or you'll be slowed down by choked belts. Bobs is designed to be a robot heaven late game so be prepared to relocate and rebuild a couple of times as you tech up. Yeah I am going slowly to familiarize myself with the mod (on peaceful) an plan to build very modular
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I setup my bot factory to feed into a roboport directly. It only feeds bots in if there are less than 100 free bots at a time, so it keeps production under control while also allowing the network to slowly grow as my needs grow.
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Ratzap posted:I usually start with 400 construction and 200 logistic then add more if I see the counter on roboports say there's none free. Laying concrete is not done with your personal port, it's done with hundreds of bots. There's a mod (sane concrete) that changes concrete to use iron sticks as rebar rather than ore but you're doing a stock run right? Some people make 10s of thousands of logistic bots but unless you're actually using them (check the roboport counter) why bother. Construction bots can also clear wood/rocks from areas quickly (use the red deconstruction blueprint). If you mod, you can use robocharge, a much smaller footprint charger station which saves spamming ports everywhere. Not stock enough that I'd mind adding that mod  Thanks for letting me know it exists.Didn't even think of having robits build themselves. That's some gray goo scenario poo poo but since the end goal of the game is to turn the planet gray, that seems okay! I suppose it's kind of my fault that I'm not seeing the full lazy-man use of construction and logistics bots because I'm running Long Reach, now that I think about it.
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I usually have 3 personal roboports so I can handle 30 bots at once (multiple roboports also increase your personal range). It works great in the wilderness for dropping new outposts. Also they're useful in your factory for expansion. The key is to have blueprints. It's not a huge deal to shift click a belt on the ground and have a bot place it for you. It is a huge deal to click a blueprint with 80 furnaces and 120 inserters and 180 belts and have the bots place all of them.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:00
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Is it possible to use the circuit network to determine how many logistic/construction bots are available/idle in a logistics network? It would be pretty neat to be able to activate/deactivate your bot production based on how close to saturated your logistics network was (something like if >80% of bots are in use, keep producing until only 50% or something), that way as you add new logistic draws your factory just keeps providing more bots until you're back to having plenty of slack capacity.
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mastermind2004 posted:Is it possible to use the circuit network to determine how many logistic/construction bots are available/idle in a logistics network? It would be pretty neat to be able to activate/deactivate your bot production based on how close to saturated your logistics network was (something like if >80% of bots are in use, keep producing until only 50% or something), that way as you add new logistic draws your factory just keeps providing more bots until you're back to having plenty of slack capacity. I have my logi bots inserted into one port, and my const bots in a different one. I don't send 'overflow' anywhere, so as soon as a port is full, production stops. Similarly, whenever demand is high enough to summon bots from those ports, production resumes. It's not perfect or foolproof but it does the job.
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mastermind2004 posted:Is it possible to use the circuit network to determine how many logistic/construction bots are available/idle in a logistics network? It would be pretty neat to be able to activate/deactivate your bot production based on how close to saturated your logistics network was (something like if >80% of bots are in use, keep producing until only 50% or something), that way as you add new logistic draws your factory just keeps providing more bots until you're back to having plenty of slack capacity. Yes! If you hook a roboport up to a circuit network, it automatically outputs 4 different signals. - 1) the total number of logistics bots in the network, 2) the number of idle /available logistics bots, and 3), 4) the same for construction bots. I think they're set to output them in W, X, Y, and Z, but it has the labels in game there are is. I usually just have my bot production run when "available < some number", but with combinators you could do percentages or something fancier no problem. Talky fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Sep 2, 2016 |
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Sep 2, 2016 16:49
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Talky posted:Yes! If you hook a roboport up to a circuit network, it automatically outputs 4 different signals. - 1) the total number of logistics bots in the network, 2) the number of idle /available logistics bots, and 3), 4) the same for construction bots. I think they're set to output them in W, X, Y, and Z, but it has the labels in game there are is. I usually just have my bot production run when "available < some number", but with combinators you could do percentages or something fancier no problem.  Its not by default though, you need to change the radio button on the roboport's window after hooking up the wire.
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Ciaphas posted:After concrete tomorrow I need to figure out when best to (and NOT to) use 'bots and how many of each kind I really need or want Construction bots work in the green area (much larger) of the roboports, so plan accordingly. You can carry additional personal roboports in your armor to have more bots working and charging at once. I personally have 3. In terms of how many bots to have, just make enough that you don't feel like everything slows to a crawl when you really tax the system, like when you come back from an excursion and need to empty all of your trash and pick up your logistics requests, or when a train shows up that needs to be emptied. You will likely have a lot of bots sitting around not doing much, but who cares because your goal is to pave the earth and blot out the sun with your robo-army.
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FISHMANPET posted:I usually have 3 personal roboports so I can handle 30 bots at once (multiple roboports also increase your personal range). It works great in the wilderness for dropping new outposts. Also they're useful in your factory for expansion. The key is to have blueprints. It's not a huge deal to shift click a belt on the ground and have a bot place it for you. It is a huge deal to click a blueprint with 80 furnaces and 120 inserters and 180 belts and have the bots place all of them. Yeah I just built a new factorissimo power plant with blueprints and I'm kind of at half mast here
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Ciaphas posted:Yeah I just built a new factorissimo power plant with blueprints and I'm kind of at half mast here In my most recent games, I rush modular armor + construction robots just so I can start using blueprints as soon as possible. There's nothing quite like plunking down a complete oil refinery blueprint and knowing you don't have to worry about anything.
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Solumin posted:In my most recent games, I rush modular armor + construction robots just so I can start using blueprints as soon as possible. There's nothing quite like plunking down a complete oil refinery blueprint and knowing you don't have to worry about anything. Yeah, there's nothing quite like walking into a factorissimo with 96 electric smelters and watching those little guys go 
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Nice use of underground belts  Are you using the Bottleneck mod? (The little glowing lights on the furnaces.)
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Solumin posted:Nice use of underground belts Yeah, my science isn't running at the moment (need to go liberate more biter nests to finish up the last 2600 purple research  ) so all the copper is backed up hence everything is yellow
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Azhais posted:Yeah, there's nothing quite like walking into a factorissimo with 96 electric smelters and watching those little guys go Stealing this layout to fix my loving iron throughput problem
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I've seen it mentioned that underground belts are an effective way to fully-pack a belt but it's not clear to me how that's supposed to work (or even why). Can anyone shed some light on that?
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milward posted:I decided to get back in the game after a break and to try the modpack that was posted from the MP game and oh god bobs is massive. have this screenshot of my last bobs+RSO+SCT game 
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Azhais posted:Yeah, there's nothing quite like walking into a factorissimo with 96 electric smelters and watching those little guys go Oh my god. *furiously writing this down*
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Am i doing something wrong with my crude oil extraction? I feel like i am constantly running out, do the pumpjacks just cause the wells to run dry so fast that i should always be looking for new places to extract?
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Al! posted:Am i doing something wrong with my crude oil extraction? I feel like i am constantly running out, do the pumpjacks just cause the wells to run dry so fast that i should always be looking for new places to extract? If you're running with the default richness, yes, you'll run out pretty quickly. You need to look for new places and put speed modules in the old ones.
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Any oil above 0.1/cycle is just bonus. You quickly start budgeting that each pumpjack just gives you that 0.1 over whatever your latest and greatest speed modules can speed it up to because it just disapears. Make sure you have crude storage. Pumpjacks keep depleting their source every tick whether you have room for it in your system or not.
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Ciaphas posted:Stealing this layout to fix my loving iron throughput problem RiotGearEpsilon posted:Oh my god. *furiously writing this down* Calm down there, it's clearly inferior since it has no beacons and no modules.  Today being Friday we have a FFF here: https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-154 Which is all about the MP challenge they are starting since 0.14.3 is now out. It's up now, get in before it's crowded. Plus a peek at the 0.15 hi res work. And 0.14.3 released: quote:Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:00 pm
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Ratzap posted:Calm down there, it's clearly inferior since it has no beacons and no modules. FF 154 posted:Big part of the pain when writing automated test in C++ is to have to guess the positions of entities correctly when building a setup to test, especially if they interact (rails, inserter, belts, etc). This is why Michal made an internal mod to generate the C++ code that generates entities based on setup in the game. We can just selected it like this: Holy poo poo that's really cool. Hi-res graphics look real good too.
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Yeah, the Factorio team test toolkit is amazing. It really instills confidence in the product (unlike some recent untested poo poo releases *cough* NMS *cough*). I got onto the challenge server and played a few rounds. It's fun but very hectic (team beat the clock produce stuff before they do thing) and I'm too old for that sort of crap. There's a spectator mode too which is entertaining. I was going to post a screenshot showing Kovarex chopping trees but alas my client crashed with an odd error. Off to post a bugrep (assuming there isn't one already).
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Whatr's the point of the super-short underground belts vs surface ones in that super-smelter?
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problem I never expected to have: i have like five cars and i can't goddamn find any of them 
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Nullkigan posted:Whatr's the point of the super-short underground belts vs surface ones in that super-smelter? The ore-to-be-smelted is pulled off the blue belt; the metal-that-has-been-smelted is pushed on to the red belt. Using red and blue undergrounds lets you interleave in a helix like that. If you just had the one belt you wouldn't be able to mix like that.
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:The ore-to-be-smelted is pulled off the blue belt; the metal-that-has-been-smelted is pushed on to the red belt. Using red and blue undergrounds lets you interleave in a helix like that. If you just had the one belt you wouldn't be able to mix like that. This is true, needed for the density. In general tho inserting onto an underground belt lets you fill it more completely. Normally inserters on a belt look for a spot to drop the item, then drop it there. But especially on express belt sometimes the gaps fly through too fast for the item to get placed (which is why every so often on your saturated belts there's a lonely gap). On the underground belts it cheats and just inserts whenever the number of items is lower than the max throughput without needing an actual physical spot to place it
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What do people use for power generation mate game? Massive banks of solar panels and massive banks of capacitors?
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Oh dear I just finished the last research and looked up how much goes into one rocket and rocket pad and satellite um 
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Al! posted:What do people use for power generation mate game? Massive banks of solar panels and massive banks of capacitors? Yup. Construction robots make it trivial though. Make a nice 21 : 25 or 20 : 24 blueprint, get the materials, slap 'em down. You'll have 1 GJ of Accumulator capacity before you know it.
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zedprime posted:Any oil above 0.1/cycle is just bonus. You quickly start budgeting that each pumpjack just gives you that 0.1 over whatever your latest and greatest speed modules can speed it up to because it just disapears. Wait, what? Is that true? Because if so, then I suppose I should start wiring the pumpjacks to a power switch that only turns on if the crude oil tanks are less than x% full.
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Al! posted:What do people use for power generation mate game? Massive banks of solar panels and massive banks of capacitors? I've got like 7500 solar panels with accumulators in a 20:24 ratio. My blueprint includes roboports so I just ran out to a huge field, slapped down a gigantic grid of blueprints and the first roboport with some bots, then set up a train stop there and just constantly have trains running from base full of ports, panels, accumulators, and substations and the field just grows and grows and grows without me needing to go back
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Al! posted:What do people use for power generation mate game? Massive banks of solar panels and massive banks of capacitors? Two of these monstrosities gives me 80MW of power, though I think I'm gonna need a third before I end the game Credit to Arumba for the design  
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Al! posted:What do people use for power generation mate game? Massive banks of solar panels and massive banks of capacitors? Unless you have biter settings cranked way up or are going for the no solar achievement or just generally dislike how solar fields look, in which case you can make a call on resource availability whether it make more sense to use coal or solid fuel. Ambaire posted:Wait, what? Is that true? Because if so, then I suppose I should start wiring the pumpjacks to a power switch that only turns on if the crude oil tanks are less than x% full. zedprime fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Sep 2, 2016 |
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Can anyone explain infinite resources and RSO to me? I don't need them yet, but infinite resources would be really helpful later (way later) in the game. Are they enabled by default? Do I need a mod?
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