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dupersaurus posted:If you want to talk about killing reasons, what I've been told is that the skull is generally too hard for the dueling foil (a fairly light blade) to reliably puncture, and the parts of the head that are vulnerable are hard to hit. Easier to hit the torso, and easier to get a crippling shot on it. (  if you cant stand bloody descriptions of historcal duels and medical descriptions of the effects of bladed weapons. Thankfully no images).The Dubious Quick Kill, part 1 The Dubious Quick Kill, part 2 Modern knife or axe/folding-spade fighting systems are very, very specific about where you need to cut or stab to kill someone. I guess a large or very large blade would mitigrate that need for accuracy to a certain degree, but in the very end, the reason why our modern HEMA will never be anything other than a sport is that that knowledge is not part of the curriculum.
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Oh yeah, I make no claims to how long it'll take to kill someone by stabbing them through the torso (just look at the many stories of people continuing on after being shot by guns), but as that first link alludes to, you've got better odds there than the head:quote:After the later received a rapier blow which bounced off his head, Bazanez is said to have received an unspecified number of thrusts which, according to the account, "entered" the body.
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EricD posted:Every form of training is to a degree artificial. That does not mean they are not useful. It takes thought and self-discipline though. I mean yeah if you're winding up a big blow and you hop-skip into it and swing your sword like a baseball bat to make the cut, you might make the cut but you aren't teaching yourself good habits by cutting in that fashion. A good instructor should provide correction. If you are cutting from a guard into another guard, cutting in a way that would keep your sword between your body and your opponent's sword, keeping your movements tight and controlled, and maintaining proper balance and posture throughout your movements, while still delivering an effective cut, then you are test cutting in a way which is training better habits for an actual sword-fight. Cutting is a skill which must be practiced. How exactly do you propose we develop said skill if not by test cutting? Cutting tests can serve as a good indicator of technique for sure, but it's also easy to train for test cutting...and if you make a competition out of it, people will do just that and it becomes a thing of it's own, rather than a byproduct of correct training. Correct cutting technique comes from supervised basic practice. I don't know if HEMA armor is strong enough that you can practice on a partner, but if not, then practicing without will suffice.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:
Correct, with the caveat that test cutting is a way of making sure that what you think is your correct cutting technique actually is correct cutting technique. You do a cut a thousand times on air/partner, then do the same cut once on tatami to verify that it actually cuts and you haven't been getting sloppy with alignment or structure or whatever. Your instructor can get a lot of information from the results to identify areas for improvement. The ideal should always be to have your solo practice cut, your test cutting cut, and your live sparring cut be the same thing. The trick to make it work productively in competition is to have judges who are very good cutters and swordmans who will notice and rules that penalize you for doing the stuff that makes a clean cut but isn't martially sound. I hope this will get better as HEMA cutting moves out of the novelty phase.
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If anything, cutting tatami is one of the few competitions which isn't in some way artificial. It's always done in a vacuum and with a particular intent that isn't inherently combative. Perform X cut on this tatami, and do it with these criteria which are tantamount to cutting effectively and efficiently. It's only artificial if you go into it thinking its a simulator for human flesh or whatever. It's not, and it never really was intended to be. It's just a medium that helps visualize good cutting technique. In other news: I got my bitchin' gauntlets after nearly a year of waiting and worrying the dude stole my money. 
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Verisimilidude posted:In other news: I got my bitchin' gauntlets after nearly a year of waiting and worrying the dude stole my money.  to not love.In Nordic news, the Swedish HEMA Championships are on, and they're fighting the finals. Next up the military sabre gold medal match: https://www.facebook.com/SvHEMAF/?fref=nf (The fight for bronze was the vilest sabre I've ever seen.  )Edit: Christ almighty "HEMA Black" photographs like rear end. Siivola fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Sep 4, 2016 |
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Verisimilidude posted:In other news: I got my bitchin' gauntlets after nearly a year of waiting and worrying the dude stole my money. Because if those are actual fingered gloves that provide enough protection for longsword sparring you can't not post the source...
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Verisimilidude posted:If anything, cutting tatami is one of the few competitions which isn't in some way artificial. It's always done in a vacuum and with a particular intent that isn't inherently combative. Perform X cut on this tatami, and do it with these criteria which are tantamount to cutting effectively and efficiently. It's only artificial if you go into it thinking its a simulator for human flesh or whatever. It's not, and it never really was intended to be. It's just a medium that helps visualize good cutting technique. I like the separate thumbs. I take it the fingers aren't complete and only cover the tops?
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BirdOfPlay posted:I like the separate thumbs. I take it the fingers aren't complete and only cover the tops? Yeah, the finger plates are slightly wider than my actual fingers, and they curve a bit, but they only give partial coverage to the side of the fingers. As for the thumbs, they're attached with a hinge that allows full movement.
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The hinge will flip open at the worst possible times, fyi.
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Siivola posted:The hinge will flip open at the worst possible times, fyi. It will be sewn in place so if it does flip open it will be with my thumb inside.
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Here's some classical fencing for y'all: https://www.facebook.com/swordsmanshop/videos/645824555593953/ It's kinda like foil on benzos. 
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Sep 4, 2016 22:21
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Siivola posted:It's kinda like foil on benzos. 
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Siivola posted:Here's some classical fencing for y'all: https://www.facebook.com/swordsmanshop/videos/645824555593953/ Oooo. Look at those lunges. I used to be all about Gu, but these cats just put him to shame. 
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BirdOfPlay posted:Oooo. Look at those lunges. I used to be all about Gu, but these cats just put him to shame. The lady in black is also over 60. I've been to the Martinez Academy, and both maestros (they're married, it's adorable) are amazing.
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Uh, so that looks like, well, foil? I'm guessing the rules are that double touches are totally not OK, so maybe something more like epee but with foil target and foil lockout timing. Grabbing your opponent's weapon with your offhand or armpit as far as I'm concerned is just not cricket for a civilised duel, though.
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Here's a pretty cool technique video that focuses mostly on disarms and grapples. Not sure what the outfits are about, but I think they look neat. https://www.facebook.com/lutz.horvath/posts/10157343915735591 Edit: YouTube link http://youtu.be/X0NRBlQuPTA Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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My mask overlay from Neyman Fencing finally arrived!  I like it, it turns the mask into a goofy kendo helmet. Looking forward to getting hit on the head.
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Verisimilidude posted:Here's a pretty cool technique video that focuses mostly on disarms and grapples. Not sure what the outfits are about, but I think they look neat. Just a heads up, if you're watching this at work, there's a video who's picture has exposed boobs on it.
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Isn't that based on your search/watch history, and if so, what have you been watching lately? 
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 Love these new gauntlets. I got the glove attached to one so far, but there are a few issues. The biggest one is the lack of protection between the thumb and forefinger, which seems ripe for being struck or stabbed and breaking my finger in the process. The next issue is that you feel strikes across the width of the top of the hand, and across the fingers because of the rivets. The thin leather does little to stop the pain, and will probably lead to bruised (but unbroken) hands. The next gauntlet I'm going to experiment with inner glove. I bought a pair of oil rigger gloves that should work particularly well, but we'll see. As for the pros of the gauntlets, they're extremely mobile. Motion is almost one-to-one, and I haven't had any issue going through the more awkward motions associated with HEMA gloves. Also their profiles are extremely small, close to the size of my actual hands. I can grip the hilt of an Albion Meyer with no issue.
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Those look sauron as gently caress and someone should bribe the fie to declare them compliant. But, the way that the overlapping changes direction halfway up the forearm looks worrying to me - couldn't a stab to the wrist/arm end up sliding between the plates quite easily? Although that might not be such an issue if there's decent material underneath.
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Is it okay to just wordlessly scream about incoming HEMA drama or would you like some context?  Today a famous HEMA person got called out for sharing a Hitler Jugend photo from a literal Nazi blog on their Tumblr. And just now their partner – also a famous HEMA person – reblogged said photo because what this community needed was a bit of good old  Aaaaaaaaaaaa
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Crazy Achmed posted:Those look sauron as gently caress and someone should bribe the fie to declare them compliant. The gap is very tight, it'd have to be a one in a million shot, and most longsword feders have rolled tips which wouldn't fit in there at all. Siivola posted:Is it okay to just wordlessly scream about incoming HEMA drama or would you like some context? If it's who I think it is I'm not at all surprised. The best part is when they try to defend themselves from accusations of being nazi sympathizers, usually with something along the lines of "look we don't think the foreigners are bad, we just don't want them coming in, ruining the society white people struggled to produce, and then mixing their races into ours. You guys need to stop being so PC."
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My teacher Tristan is trying to increase his media presence. Here's a video of him cutting like a boss and a preview for more videos (with actual production levels) to come. Preview: https://youtu.be/u-CP-pb8_QE Cutting: https://youtu.be/O4jLFVZ-z_U
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Siivola posted:Is it okay to just wordlessly scream about incoming HEMA drama or would you like some context? You gotta link this poo poo son
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Well, if you insist. http://freeduellist.tumblr.com/post/147457224685/bdm-88-hj-boys-boxing The picture itself is, as you can see, pretty innocent. Y'know, German boys doing sports in the forties. But because it's a reblog, there's this implicit "so I came across this Nazi blog and–" undercurrent to it that creeps me out.
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Siivola posted:Well, if you insist. http://freeduellist.tumblr.com/post/147457224685/bdm-88-hj-boys-boxing Lol the dude even has 88 in the name hahahahahahahaha
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Oh that's just the original source for the caption, it was reblogged from a completely different Nazi blog.
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If you are reblogging pictures of hitler jugend boxing matches from blogs with 88 in the title, thats means you agree with it lol.
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Siivola posted:Well, if you insist. http://freeduellist.tumblr.com/post/147457224685/bdm-88-hj-boys-boxing Yup, exactly who I thought it was. Edit: check out this tumblr, which seeks to point out racism within HEMA. https://swordsofthewhiterose.tumblr.com/ Once people (read: racists) found out this blog exists, they got super butt hurt and obviously this means that liberals are the real nazis? Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Sep 9, 2016 |
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So Konsmo is a racist? Unfortunate.
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I dunno if I'd go that far, but it would sure be nice to not have Nazi blogs on my dashboard. Verisimilidude posted:Edit: check out this tumblr, which seeks to point out racism within HEMA.
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KyloWinter posted:So Konsmo is a racist? Unfortunate. From what I've gathered it's not strictly racism, but strongly nationalist and the racism that comes inherently with that. "Separate but equal (but also white blonde haired blue eyed people are superior)" kinda stuff. Call it out and you're labeled a social justice warrior or you're trying to police thought, and whatever thread it's in turns into a circle jerk of the same handful of people bitching about liberals ruining their country (but not as bad as the roving hordes of immigrants you see).
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"Oh that's not really a discussion I've ever s–" *opens the HEMA International Discussion FB page* "–well gently caress." Since I haven't been training for a couple of weeks, I've been living vicariously through blogs and Facebook posts, but, well, yeah. It's working out poorly as you can see. What are you guys up to?
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Trying to ease myself back into slightly more intense stuff after getting a nasty bit of runner's knee in my front leg (hey everyone, correct posture and lunge technique is SUPER IMPORTANT for not murdering yourself). And attempting to improve a little in all three weapons - progress is slow, but gently caress it, I'm not willing to give any up since they're all fun. On that note, what do you do in sabre if you're attacking with a low hand position, versus someone trying to counterattack with a flicky high-hand-position downwards cut over your guard on to the top of your wrist/forearm? Like, is there some way I can adjust my guard to block these out reliably, or is this a case of needing to draw it out first before I can deal with it? (or since I have priority, just lunge further, push through and hope I don't get timed out)
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Part 1 of a series of cutting swords for HEMA has been released. Check it out! http://youtu.be/VdrZ1N6GBMk
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Is there a reason for the badly underexposed cross-processed look? His cutting looks good, though. Far better than any of the other HEMA cutting I've seen.
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