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Paradoxish posted:Maybe, but the companies that are making these claims aren't really using weasel words to do so: Words are cheap. Also: quote:Ford's announcement leaves many crucial strategy details still undecided. Yet Ken Washington, Ford's vice president of research, said it was important to signal that Ford intends to win in this space, even with key elements still unknown.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Why justify anything? They can but it would be political suicide. The year of blocking a justice is sure as poo poo gonna come up again before November and it hurts Republican electability pretty badly. Stretching that to another couple years would be incredibly stupid. It fuels the "Republicans are the obstructionist party" angle.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I wonder how many married women feel compelled to say they support Trump when they do a phone poll since people might be listening but privately in the voting booth they're gonna vote Clinton. Sort of the reverse but my favorite Obama-blowout story was a lady getting phone-polled. "Um, we're not sure-" Husband in the background: "TELL 'IM WE'RE VOTING FOR THE NI[CE MAN]"
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Augus posted:They can but it would be political suicide. The year of blocking a justice is sure as poo poo gonna come up again before November and it hurts Republican electability pretty badly. Stretching that to another couple years would be incredibly stupid. It fuels the "Republicans are the obstructionist party" angle. McConnell would say "the people have said for us to not confirm" and 43% of the electorate will still vote R.
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Sep 4, 2016 18:37
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computer parts posted:Words are cheap. Also: So is your argument that the technology is simply untenable or that automakers are just way off on their timetable or what? I'm not sure what it is that you're saying, since your only point seems to be that we don't have fully autonomous vehicles right now and developing them is hard. Like, you seem shockingly sure that every company that's currently investing in this technology is off by a decade or more on their predictions.
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Josef bugman posted:What do you think it would take for republicans to actually collapse? White Genocide.
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Paradoxish posted:So is your argument that the technology is simply untenable or that automakers are just way off on their timetable or what? The latter. Autonomous vehicles are trendy. It's easy to get press if you (an automaker) say you're going to have a self driving car in 5 years (which that article says). In reality, it would probably take 5 years just to get from the point of "perfected concept" to "certified for the road". That's why I can tell Ford is just blowing smoke for shareholders.
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Josef bugman posted:What do you think it would take for republicans to actually collapse? Widespread old white death.
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Dexo posted:If they don't keep the senate, hell even if they do it would be hard as poo poo to justify holding on to a justice for 2 years. I think we all know that the Republicans take great pride in not doing their jobs when a Democrat is in charge. Two years won't be too big of a stretch.
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Sep 4, 2016 18:50
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DemeaninDemon posted:McConnell would say "the people have said for us to not confirm" and 43% of the electorate will still vote R. That means 57% didn't vote Republican which would probably mean that Hillary won 45 states.
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Paradoxish posted:So is your argument that the technology is simply untenable or that automakers are just way off on their timetable or what? I'm not sure what it is that you're saying, since your only point seems to be that we don't have fully autonomous vehicles right now and developing them is hard. Even if a product hits the market that doesn't mean it is instantly mass adopted. Even the fastest mass adoption in recent memory, Cell Phones, took a couple of decades. And cell phones are much cheaper than cars.
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Josef bugman posted:What do you think it would take for republicans to actually collapse? The rapture 
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Josef bugman posted:What do you think it would take for republicans to actually collapse? Honestly, house advantage back down to single digits, a 51-49 Senate split, and Hillary as the president. The infighting will be glorious, because the last two autopsies after the presidential went /completely/ ignored, and they'll be pointing fingers at everyone to try to get out of the blame.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:This is kind of dumb. Obama had only been a US Senator for two years, she had been a US Senator since 2000. Well you can go back to 2008 and tell them that. I agree in part, but that's not the point - her campaign was pretty condescending in general about the man that would become the first black president. More stuff: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/group-tell-clinton-to-stop-race-baiting/ quote:The online grassroots organization, ColorOfChange, today urged its members to begin a phone onslaught of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee, in a protest against what it views as Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s “race-baiting” remarks. Racial polarization was a way bigger, more contentious problem in the 2008 dem-primary than 2016 by a mile. Also I stumbled on this poo poo going through old articles, just lol: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/clinton-touts-her-experience-with-guns/ quote:Hillary Clinton appealed to Second Amendment supporters on Saturday by hinting that she has some experience of her own pulling triggers. She was even the rural pro-gun candidate! Everywhere Sanders went culturally that people think was pandering to white people, Clinton went, and went far harder than Sanders. I think Clinton's loyalties are ultimately towards racial justice and she's a relatively good candidate, but let's not kid ourselves and play the same faux-amnesiac game as our stupid political culture. Periodiko fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Sep 4, 2016 |
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Xae posted:Even if a product hits the market that doesn't mean it is instantly mass adopted. It's worth remembering that the average car in a residential garage is 12 years old these days. It's both because cars have become more reliable in a big way since the 80s and because people really can't afford to buy that many new cars. And there's pretty much no way self-driving is going to equal "cars that are cheaper than they are now".
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Yeah, I don't forget Clinton in 2008. She said and implied some truly atrocious stuff The 3AM ad was utterly disgusting. I don't think it's enough to make her unforgivable or anything but it was still extremely gross and she'll be forever on that particular side of history even if she becomes the first woman president.
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Josef bugman posted:What do you think it would take for republicans to actually collapse? kick over their rascals
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hiddenriverninja posted:kick over their rascals 
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fishmech posted:It's worth remembering that the average car in a residential garage is 12 years old these days. It's both because cars have become more reliable in a big way since the 80s and because people really can't afford to buy that many new cars. And there's pretty much no way self-driving is going to equal "cars that are cheaper than they are now". By the time fully autonomous vehicles could be directly sold to consumers, what is even the incentive to own one and assume responsibility for maintenance and insurance? Surely by that point it's more economical for pretty much anyone to to either take autonomous public transit or an autonomous cab or something.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:also weren't something like 39% of sanders' voters saying that they'd vote for trump over him in the general nah, that was demos saying they'd vote Romney when Hillary was losing.
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In 10 years when stage 4 cars start hitting the markets fishmech will just say that they're not fully autonomous cars because you have to pick a destination
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I have to admit that maybe it's my Old Manitis talking but I'm not super thrilled at the idea of autonomous cars. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised when they come out but it just seems like the sort of thing where it's entirely too trivial for it to gently caress up. ... become? 
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rscott posted:In 10 years when stage 4 cars start hitting the markets fishmech will just say that they're not fully autonomous cars because you have to pick a destination Oh, so it's 10 years now? Already doubling the projected time from Ford.
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Eifert Posting posted:It's also very difficult to find people who are willing to work certain kinds of jobs. Assembly jobs with good benefits but lower salaries are almost impossible to fill right now. I hear this all the time, practically anytime a local news channel wants to do a "job market: is it really as hard for those lazy poors to find work as they say?" type piece they get some poor would-be captain of industry on to  about how difficult it is to find trained, skilled machinists or welders who are willing to work for the $10/hr no-benefits jobs they're so graciously offering.And no the benefits aren't usually that great, and it's not like you can feed a family using your high-deductible health plan. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Sep 4, 2016 |
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I'm glad the Chia corporation found a creative way to re-package their Mickey Rooney Chia pets.
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computer parts posted:Oh, so it's 10 years now? Already doubling the projected time from Ford. Do you not understand what jokes are e: the answer is obviously "no" btw
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iospace posted:Honestly, house advantage back down to single digits, a 51-49 Senate split, and Hillary as the president. The infighting will be glorious, because the last two autopsies after the presidential went /completely/ ignored, and they'll be pointing fingers at everyone to try to get out of the blame. I am genuinelly wondering if that would ever happen. I mean yeah a smaller party might be able to run some more candidates, but who'd give up being the opposition?
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Grognan posted:nah, that was demos saying they'd vote Romney when Hillary was losing.   e: hahahaha, man oh man https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/730181378038341632 Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Sep 4, 2016 |
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Josef bugman posted:I am genuinelly wondering if that would ever happen. I mean yeah a smaller party might be able to run some more candidates, but who'd give up being the opposition? Honestly, I can see libertarians becoming prominent if the GOP collapses. It's FYGM with a veneer of being "socially left".
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rscott posted:In 10 years when stage 4 cars start hitting the markets fishmech will just say that they're not fully autonomous cars because you have to pick a destination That poo poo's not going to happen though. Unless your definition of "hitting the market" is "well if you have $2 million to spare and don't need to drive anywhere that doesn't maintain perfect pavement marking, and also is always sunny".
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iospace posted:Honestly, I can see libertarians becoming prominent if the GOP collapses. It's FYGM with a veneer of being "socially left". A movement that primarily supports white men to the chagrin of anyone slightly disadvantaged, yeah that's original. Like imagine the Republicans jettisoned the Moral Majority folks, what exactly is the difference between them and Libertarians?
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iospace posted:Honestly, I can see libertarians becoming prominent if the GOP collapses. It's FYGM with a veneer of being "socially left". I'm sure old people will love the idea of seeing their cost of living go up 30% because we got rid of income tax and everyone else will love learning why the civil rights act, food safety inspections, and laws against drunk driving are government overreach
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computer parts posted:A movement that primarily supports white men to the chagrin of anyone slightly disadvantaged, yeah that's original. Are you agreeing or disagreeing here? Dr.Zeppelin posted:I'm sure old people will love the idea of seeing their cost of living go up 30% because we got rid of income tax and everyone else will love learning why the civil rights act, food safety inspections, and laws against drunk driving are government overreach Pretty much, but those old people are dying off  e: full disclaimer, I think libertarians are dumb.
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iospace posted:Are you agreeing or disagreeing here? I'm saying you won't be able to tell the difference. It's literally the "Branding" argument where all they have to do is change rhetoric for the same outcome.
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iospace posted:Honestly, I can see libertarians becoming prominent if the GOP collapses. It's FYGM with a veneer of being "socially left". I think it's more likely that the Republican would try to quietly drop a lot of the social war bullshit in hopes of devouring the Libertarians. They might lose the Evangelicals, but they could probably talk the racists around on a 'meritocracy' basis. e: beaten several times over
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computer parts posted:I'm saying you won't be able to tell the difference. Pretty much, my view, yeah. Or, as I usually put it: "Libertarians are republicans who smoke weed" e: speaking of Evangelicals: https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/772501009272754176
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iospace posted:Pretty much, but those old people are dying off I don't know if that's  but old people dying off doesn't matter for the tax thing, there is always going to be a group of old people that stand to get utterly ruined by an abrupt transition from production taxes to consumption whenever such a thing is proposed, regardless of their views on things
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fishmech posted:That poo poo's not going to happen though. Unless your definition of "hitting the market" is "well if you have $2 million to spare and don't need to drive anywhere that doesn't maintain perfect pavement marking, and also is always sunny". Hillary Clinton is gonna get a bunch of infrastructure spending passed right and the droughts in California are only gonna get worse, and all those silicon Valley types will have the cash to spare, sounds plausable to me
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