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AradoBalanga posted:After all this time, the key was useless and all they needed was Levi casting "Foot" on the door. Not sure whether or not to be disappointed or surprised. The door being locked shut was never the real obstacle to begin with, so I don't feel disappointed myself. This does add the rather terrifying possibilty that the key was meant to open something else that we'll get to in another 40 chapters. Or perhaps the shifters knew about the basement and got something from it and changed the locks afterwards. More than anything else, I just want more forward progress.
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Sep 6, 2016 06:13
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Here we go In the basement was a photograph of Grisha wearing a fancy suit along with a woman and child. On the back of the photo, this is written: “This is the reflection of the light of the objects burned on special paper. It’s called a photograph”. - “I came from outside the wall, where people live in luxury” - “Humanity is not extinct at all”
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Sep 6, 2016 08:35
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The new thread title is tremendously good.
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Sep 6, 2016 08:36
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I dropped this thing years ago but even I still wanna know what's in the basement.
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Sep 6, 2016 08:44
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Bad Seafood posted:I dropped this thing years ago but even I still wanna know what's in the basement. It's Eren's uncle, the neet who refuses to get a job and plays video games all day. Grisha forced him to stay in the basement because he was too ashamed of his own brother.
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Sep 6, 2016 08:52
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AradoBalanga posted:After all this time, the key was useless and all they needed was Levi casting "Foot" on the door. Not sure whether or not to be disappointed or surprised. Levi rattles the knob impotently, as a trombone plays a sad note. He shrugs at the group and they head home.
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Sep 6, 2016 09:13
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http://yonkouprod.com/shingeki-no-kyojin-chapter-85-spoilers/ Holy poo poo those last two pages!
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Sep 6, 2016 10:29
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lmao this manga
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Sep 6, 2016 11:06
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Oh so it's literally shyamalan time, got it
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Sep 6, 2016 11:13
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I kinda saw this coming from when Armin read that damned book.
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Sep 6, 2016 11:18
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Yep, that sure is a twist I'm ambivalent about
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Sep 6, 2016 11:22
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Would have been pretty funny if the last pages were Eren fumbling with the lock, and the next chapter started with Levi kicking in the door in frustration.
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Sep 6, 2016 11:28
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I will resist the temptation of spoilers this time! (please translation come fast)
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Sep 6, 2016 11:38
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Mordaedil posted:I kinda saw this coming from when Armin read that damned book. Yeah monkey titan's baseball references made me consider the possibility.
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Sep 6, 2016 11:38
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Xarbala posted:Oh so it's literally shyamalan time, got it Called it when I first started reading. The whole scenario gave me The Village vibes.
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Sep 6, 2016 13:03
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So what? They're all being held prisoner by some tyrannical family while the world goes on relatively peacefully outside the walls? Is this North Korea?
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Sep 6, 2016 14:10
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My prediction was always that humanity was indeed extinct outside the walls but that the government inside the walls manufactured the titan crisis to bring the remnants of humanity under one banner, kind of like an Ozymandias from Watchmen gambit. I'm actually pretty intrigued by this revelation, though. We've known humanity wasn't extinct outside the walls for a long time now, because clearly people like Bert, Reiner, and Zeke exist. The real question, and the one I've been dying to get answered since the series' start, is why. If society outside the walls is relatively normal and stable, why do they want the people inside the walls dead so bad? What the gently caress happened between the two factions long ago to make that the only option? And why were titans the best means of fighting that war, of all things?
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Sep 6, 2016 15:58
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Monkey Titan is probably the son in the photo
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Sep 6, 2016 16:02
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Here is my immediate attempt to reconcile everything that we have seen in this series together with this revelation. Lots of speculation below: The people within the walls are specifically kept there to draw the titans away from the rest of civilization, much like how Eren's home district and those like it focused titan attention at specific parts of the walls but on a much greater scale. The shifter village serve as guards to ensure the people in the walls never get out and have been conditioned to think that the people of the walls deserve this fate (perhaps the people in the walls are the descendants of a nation of people who used the titans in warfare and this is an ironic punishment). Reiner, Bertolt, and Annie's original attack on the wall was part of a periodic culling (say, every 100 years) that keeps the populations within the walls small enough to sustain itself and docile with fear. The coordinate ensures that, when the titans breach, the people within the walls will ultimately survive when the Reiss send the titans away and wipe the population's memory so that the process can repeat. The reason that the old coordinate holders never destroyed the titans is because they know through genetic memory that they would be completely destroyed by the presumably superior outside civilization and always decide that a life in a cage is better than utter annihilation. I am assuming that the civilization outside the walls cannot use the coordinate but know how it works, so they let the Reiss family rule in exchange for their cooperation. When Grisha interfered with the Reiss' memory wipe and stole the coordinate, he forced the titan shifters, presumably on Zeke's orders, to investigate, hence their infiltration of the military. Their original plan was to join the military police, which would have given them access to the inner walls and would be the logical place for the new coordinate holder to be. The shifters attacked the walls again on the eve of the decision about which branch to join in order to draw out the new holder of the coordinate, expecting them to send the titans away and narrow down their search. Instead, their buddy Eren transforms into a titan and they decide to capture him instead. When the wall gets plugged by Eren and then Annie gets captured, Monkey Trouble decides to intervene directly and starts spawning titans in the walls, again intending to force the coordinate holder to act. Reiner and Bertolt are exposed in the meantime and decide to snatch Eren and Ymir. I can't remember if Reiner and Bertolt knew that Christa was a Reiss and that is why they wanted her or if it was just Ymir's insistence, but my expectation would be that if they had successfully captured Eren and Christa and found out who she was, they would have forced him to her and then forced her to send the titans away.
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Sep 6, 2016 16:41
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Attack on Titan: There's Literally a Fourth Wall, Time to Break it
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Sep 6, 2016 16:45
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In It For The Tank posted:Here is my immediate attempt to reconcile everything that we have seen in this series together with this revelation. Lots of speculation below: It's incredibly hard for me to reconcile 'we have literal shifter Titans' and "we need to keep the Titans contained using a ridiculously circuitous plan." Erin alone can wreck Titan's poo poo like nothing. I'm pretty sure if you wanted to wipe out Titans it would take two or three Colossal Titans a couple days tops.
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Sep 6, 2016 16:56
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ImpAtom posted:It's incredibly hard for me to reconcile 'we have literal shifter Titans' and "we need to keep the Titans contained using a ridiculously circuitous plan." Erin alone can wreck Titan's poo poo like nothing. I'm pretty sure if you wanted to wipe out Titans it would take two or three Colossal Titans a couple days tops. True but my assumption is that shifters are rare and not everyone outside the Walls are one. Only some in the shifter village are. And we can know that enough titans can eventually overwhelm a shifter (like when Eren's first rampage ended with him killing the abnormal that ate Thomas and immediately collapsing) and that an untransforned shifter can still be taken by surprise and eaten (like Marcel). Based on the limited history of the world plus what is implied in the art, I think that the entire continent is infested with titans.
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Sep 6, 2016 18:45
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There Bias Two posted:So what? They're all being held prisoner by some tyrannical family while the world goes on relatively peacefully outside the walls? Is this North Korea? No, it's Japan. As I have been suspecting, this whole thing has been an ultra-nationalist screed. Japan is inside the walls, everything out is literally "the rest of the world".
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Sep 6, 2016 20:27
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Kerning Chameleon posted:No, it's Japan. As I have been suspecting, this whole thing has been an ultra-nationalist screed. Japan is inside the walls, everything out is literally "the rest of the world". I hear this a lot but the narrative has never felt sympathetic to the viewpoint of the people behind the walls. It's more nihilistic and fatalistic than anything. Japanese nationalism has always been more of the "we're so great that the world can't believe how hard we're winning" bent, not the "we're imploding from within and the outside world is to blame". Has the author explicitly expressed ideas sympathetic to fascism to make so many people think AoT is a fascist morality play?
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Sep 6, 2016 20:49
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The author admitted way back in 2010 that Dot Pixis was based off of General Akiyama Yoshifuru, whom he respects. As you might surmise, there are some issues with his war record, there are a lot of people who don't respect him, and many places (Korea and China in particular) where he is actively disliked. That's the only thing I'm aware of, at least, but it ultimately matters very little since Attack on Titan was always going to be the target of such accusations - whether true or false - simply by virtue of being a series written by a Japanese man steeped in military iconography where the military as an institution isn't thoroughly demonized, which automatically makes it suspect in the eyes of a lot of people with a limited understanding of how Japan views itself and the war. I dropped Attack on Titan awhile back so it's not for me to comment on how much of it aligns thematically or intellectually with the Japanese extreme right-wing, but I'm hard-pressed to congratulate a group of witch hunters for finally finding what might be a witch after they've already burned every other innocent woman in the vicinity. All this to say, this isn't a conversation that's proven to be very fruitful to have on this board or most others, so I wouldn't recommend continuing it unless you've got some salient talking points and evidence on hand.
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Sep 6, 2016 22:12
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Deified Data posted:I hear this a lot but the narrative has never felt sympathetic to the viewpoint of the people behind the walls. It's more nihilistic and fatalistic than anything. Has it? Not to make any judgement either way about the manga's themes, but I thought that the humiliation of the American occupation and their enforced pacifism was a key part of modern Japanese nationalist thought.
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Sep 6, 2016 22:13
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Without drawing the subject out too much, since we have spoilers to discuss - the way they portrayed the head of the military coup (Zackley) as every bit as debauched and power hungry as the nobles and how they consistently portray the Survey Corps as a meat grinder that absolutely isn't worth wasting your life on leads me to believe the author has a more cynical outlook on the setting than detractors give him credit for.
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Sep 6, 2016 22:20
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It's a complicated subject, complicated further through the lens of a broad and diverse audience of readers. You could argue the military's portrayal in-series is as a straight condemnation of the way it operates, but you might also argue it's merely a condemnation of what the military's "Become," holding up our protagonists as the sort of self-motivated go-getters we need verses the corrupt and lazy oafs we have. Barring the completion of a stronger thematic arc, it's very easy to see what you want to see and argue in reverse. Honestly, if it's a conversation you want to have, you'd be better served to wait for the series to finish. In the meantime I'd request you talk about the basement instead.
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Sep 6, 2016 22:45
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Bad Seafood posted:In the meantime I'd request you talk about the basement instead. it's a loving tiny basement I mean come on you can't even fit a foosball table in there
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Sep 6, 2016 23:01
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I don't want to talk about the basement, it's a pretty disappointing basement
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Sep 6, 2016 23:28
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i was hoping there were fireworks there, yeah
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Sep 6, 2016 23:45
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El Burbo posted:Here we go Democratic People's Republic of Korea 1000 years into the future
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Sep 7, 2016 00:08
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Kerning Chameleon posted:it's a loving tiny basement I mean come on you can't even fit a foosball table in there
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Sep 7, 2016 00:50
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they find a copy of muv-luv alternative for the ps vita
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Sep 7, 2016 01:52
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They find me
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Sep 7, 2016 01:54
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a complete collection of Gate and all adaptations more seriously Bad Seafood posted:I dropped this thing years ago but even I still wanna know what's in the basement. Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sep 7, 2016 02:03
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a map to another basement
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Sep 7, 2016 02:03
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Bad Seafood posted:I dropped this thing years ago but even I still wanna know what's in the basement. Thirded.
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though on the other hand if that completely cookie cutter twist is really all he's got then I wonder what, besides vaguely creepy giants eating people, Isayama had clear in his mind from the start of this series
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