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Tyrell is acting different because he's finally acting with a purpose, he's not scrambling to try to get to the top of E-Corp ladder anymore. He's found purpose in Phase 2 whatever it is and it shows in the changes in his character.
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Le Saboteur posted:Tyrell is acting different because he's finally acting with a purpose, he's not scrambling to try to get to the top of E-Corp ladder anymore. He's found purpose in Phase 2 whatever it is and it shows in the changes in his character. The accent and slightly different appearance could just be due to the fact he is on the run.
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The brown outs have been whiterose reversing/fixing F-society's hacks or Dom's investigations with the time machine. Whiterose is so paranoid about time because she already knew what was going to transpire and has to stay "on script" to get it to happen. Tyrel Wellick seems a bit different because he is not the current Tyrel. He's a Tyrel from the future.
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Sep 15, 2016 15:12
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I hope the bit o' pop culture Esmail drew from for stage two is 9/11
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Blind Rasputin posted:The brown outs have been whiterose reversing/fixing F-society's hacks or Dom's investigations with the time machine. Whiterose is so paranoid about time because she already knew what was going to transpire and has to stay "on script" to get it to happen. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cuut it ouuut
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Kwyndig posted:My oooh, I like it. Maybe this is the 'make it so they can't win'.
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Sep 15, 2016 15:29
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theory that wouldn't involve too much SF elements about what's going to happen next is that Phase 2 is an AI designed to destroy the existing power structures (governments, E Corp, etc) by manipulating data through financial networks and the internet.
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On first watch through I was distracted doing house chores and so when I saw angela sitting across from a lil angela on a TRS-80 I thought we were ina a dream sequence or something. This show does a good job at making me wonder if we were ever awake.
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KoRMaK posted:Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cuut it ouuut Remember the brown out as Dom ran to the Café? In the original timeline she arrested Cisco and Darlene and they spilled the beans, enabling her to put a big spike in the heart of DA. The brown out was whiterose fixing things, i.e. sending a biker to their location to attempt to off all of them.
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Accretionist posted:I hope the bit o' pop culture Esmail drew from for stage two is 9/11 I mean, Elliot knows more than he'll admit to himself, and he's already included the demolition of a prominent Manhattan skyscraper in his perfect-world fantasies.
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I was worried that this show wasn't going to be able to go anywhere for Season 2 but it's full on Fargoing in how it's pivot game. I liked that we got to see more of FBI lady, I didn't like her at first but her apartment is a mess, she has tattoos and is far less put together than I thought and that makes her more likeable
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FBI lady is hotter than Angela IMHO.
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The cab driver said "al Qaeda " right? If he did, I imagine he was saying something like "get in the loving taxi or don't, it's not like im AL Qaeda or something"
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Blind Rasputin posted:FBI lady is hotter than Angela IMHO. Why can't we just say, "Sam Esmail's Lynchian attributes extend beyond tone and into the beauty of the women he chooses to cast," and leave it at that? You're wrong Angela is flawless and 100% composed at all times
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I can't believe someone could compare this season to True Detective Season 2. That opinion is so wrong it's offensive to me
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timp posted:I can't believe someone could compare this season to True Detective Season 2. That opinion is so wrong it's offensive to me Frank Semyon: Never do anything out of hunger. Even eating.
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So, going by the latest episode, what if the last big secret is that Mr. Robot was never the hacktivist destroy-big-business guy and has been supporting ECorp and/or China all along? At this point, I can't figure out Mr. Robot's endgame other than what I just said. We know the ECorp CEO went along with all of this so that they would force the US Government to use their Ecurreny. Whiterose went along with this to complete whatever the hell they started with that plant. So what Is Mr. Robot's end goal? He couldn't have been surprised by how poo poo's playing out because he had a phase two set up and we see now that Tyrell was a part of it (unless Tyrell is irrelevant because it's Ellliot's mind playing tricks). As weird as it would be, introducing sci-fi elements wouldn't push me away because I can't figure how they're going to explain everything they've laid out.
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Sep 15, 2016 16:49
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OK, here's my theory. Elliot is a clone loaded with nano-augments. Some of those nano-augments give him improved hacking abilities. He's being used as a manchurian candidate By Price and other Illuminati to flush out Whiterose and other DA hackers.
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Sep 15, 2016 17:07
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Maybe it's more realpolitik? China usurps America as top dog with E-Corp as the single point-of-failure in our system. Elliot couldn't beat, "them," but he can at least turn one of them cannibal on the other.
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I don't think the show's going to start introducing time travel, BTTF music notwithstanding. Then again, I also thought Angela had a plan before she got caught up with the FBI. ECorp and Mr. Robot are not together. Season 1 and 2 made it pretty clear that Mr. Robot and the Dark Army are collaborators and conspiring against ECorp. Don't know what the DA's end game is, but it probably has something to do with world domination through control of the economy. I think phase 1 was basically the 5/9 hack. Hack ECorp, turn money useless. I think it's reasonable to assume that when the value of money turns to basically nothing, massive organizations like government or ECorp would be one of the last survivors. I think it's also reasonable to assume that in such a situation, these organizations would gladly accept any help to stay in power - such as a massive infusion of money. Phase 2 likely has to do with the 2 trillion dollar loan. ECorp and Whiterose obviously had a prior relationship to the beginning of the show. Unsure of how their relationship works however. Also not sure why ECorp didn't question about DAs involvement with 5/9 - as a premier hacker group, they would be one of the first suspects no? Maybe Price voiced this concern in a previous episode, but I can't think of it. Elliot wants to bring down ECorp. I think he/Mr. Robot realized from the beginning that the hack wouldn't be enough to bring down ECorp. I also don't think the DA would have aligned with Mr. Robot if he didn't have a plan with a reasonable chance of success. I think they both anticipated ECorp asking for a loan, and Phase 2 has to do with that. Final note on Whiterose and your comment ("what if [...] Mr. Robot has been supporting ECorp and/or China all along?) - I don't think he gives a poo poo about China. He cares about time, and according to his conversation with Angela, changing the world. Quite similar to Elliot and to Phillip Price, actually.
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Speaking of people acting out of character, Price's tone trying to convince the guy in government to shill for E-Coin. Also, forgive me for misusing the phrase a bit, but the brown outs have got to be some Chekov's gun poo poo. poo poo's gonna go down during one of them in the finale. nopants posted:OK, here's my theory. Elliot is a clone loaded with nano-augments. Some of those nano-augments give him improved hacking abilities. He's being used as a manchurian candidate By Price and other Illuminati to flush out Whiterose and other DA hackers. Price is revealed to be Stanton Dowd.
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Reddit had something interesting to say about the brownout when Angela went to the see the lawyer at her house. Basically, the lawyer was watching a news woman on TV when the scene started. Angela shows up and the power goes out briefly during the brownout. When the TV comes back on, the news woman says the exact same thing she said at the start of the scene. Brownouts are time travel confirmed.
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The theories that come out of this thread are crazier than Elliot.
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Skizzzer posted:I don't think the show's going to start introducing time travel, BTTF music notwithstanding. Then again, I also thought Angela had a plan before she got caught up with the FBI. If ECorp and Mr. Robot aren't working together, then Price has been playing Mr. Robot all along since making paper currency worthless has been Price's endgame this entire time. Also, concerning Price in regards to ECorp and the Dark Army, why would ECorp ever publicly bring them up? Price has been working with White Rose this entire time. I'm having a hard time reconciling Mr. Robot's supposed desire to bring down business with what we've seen going on, especially if everything that has been going on has been part of his design overall. How would he justify ECorp creating and handling the US digital currency and China continue to use US citizens as lab rats or whatever they're being subjected to? This wasn't just happenstance, he specifically designed whatever Phase Two is, so things are moving along as he wanted. Benson Cunningham posted:The theories that come out of this thread are crazier than Elliot. Well, technically we're Elliot's silent observer, so we are part of his craziness.
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I loved Lost and I love this show and I love Time Travel, but I still hope that aren't introducing some weird Time Travel element to this. It would be weird for them to focus on things like making the hacking as realistic as possible - only to totally forgo realism otherwise. I'll keep watching no matter what happens, and USA already renewed for a season 3 so I have confidence whatever the reveal is will be kickass, but consider me very confused at the moment.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:If ECorp and Mr. Robot aren't working together, then Price has been playing Mr. Robot all along since making paper currency worthless has been Price's endgame this entire time. Has it? I mean, he said so in the last episode, but is it clear that it was his plan before the hack, or after? BetterToRuleInHell posted:Also, concerning Price in regards to ECorp and the Dark Army, why would ECorp ever publicly bring them up? Price has been working with White Rose this entire time. He has. Their relationship is not doing so well these days, according to Whiterose in the last episode and as evidenced by Price's and Whiterose's last few discussions. I also didn't ask why ECorp didn't publicly bring them up - but why wouldn't ECorp or Price bring that up to Whiterose directly? It's just something I found strange, and a point to your argument that Whiterose, Ecorp, and Mr. Robot are acting together. BetterToRuleInHell posted:I'm having a hard time reconciling Mr. Robot's supposed desire to bring down business with what we've seen going on, especially if everything that has been going on has been part of his design overall. How would he justify ECorp creating and handling the US digital currency and China continue to use US citizens as lab rats or whatever they're being subjected to? This wasn't just happenstance, he specifically designed whatever Phase Two is, so things are moving along as he wanted. We don't know what Phase 2 is so I can't answer that question. I agree that "things are moving along as he wanted," but I don't know yet what the end goal of Phase 2 is - or even what Phase 2 is supposed to be. Skizzzer fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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It's really obvious that White Rose built the singularity to house the soul of his and her actual sister, but it must be fed dad souls from time to time to keep running. That's why Angela and Elliot's fathers had to die. The brown-out is Pink Lily's conciousness screaming out in pain. Seriously, it's all in the subtext. You guys can't watch tv for poo poo.
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Like you can't fault the show on acting or look or ability to deliver tension or whatever but I'm kind of dreading the show next week because I'm afraid nothing much will be revealed and it will turn into an ever escalating mess like orphan black/lost/battlestar etc. Like even when you're talking about stuff being revealed you're most of the way down that poo poo pipe. I really don't want the show to turn into deus ex's opening where mysterious people say significant things to each other that are ultimately incoherent to us because we don't know what they're talking about or what their motivations are and we're just supposed to derive enjoyment out of inventing the logic of what must be going on.
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I'm hoping next week is at least extended a bit. It feels like there's so much to wrap up and I'm worried that 45 minutes is going to either leave too much hanging or rush through too much. I trust the showrunners but I was hoping for at least something resolved this episode.
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I'm not trying to say that Mr. Robot is the best show of the summer, but there aren't any better summer shows. Full disclosure, I am NOT someone who generally is aware of things that make TV great - costume design, sound editing, cinematography, shot composition, score, etc. I notice these things in Mr. Robot. More than any other show I can recall, this show captures its atmosphere and mood superbly and with a tense sense of foreboding I can't escape. Also, the acting is top notch.
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My poo poo theory: Phase 2 is an attempt to transition to post-capitalist (cybersocialist?) economic/governing system based on decision support systems. Elliot/Mr.Robot as well as Whiterose are radical moralists who have no qualms about hacking into people's personal data and destroying or altering their unethical behavior through blackmail if they are acting out of line. Obsessed with human error and accident they have misanthrope beliefs: they see individuals as easily exploitable or "corrected" if there flaws are read correctly. WhiteRose simply wants to do what pre S1 Elliot does on a grand scale. Her project does not involve time travel, alternate realities: it is based on Chile's own failed Project Cybersyn but altered to fit the global stage: a massive world economy and politics simulator synthesizing trillions and trillions of pieces of data to spew out detailed fall-out reports (alternate realities) about any given decision. Unfortunately the amount of energy this massive neural network takes is astronomical (quantum computing?) hence the brownouts. Whiterose already lives her life in strict accordance to some computer's pre-programmed timeline to achieve her goals and her curiosity about alternate realities and time travel is fulfilled by seemingly having data on these so -called realities. Her weird interest in Angela comes not from anything in her past but the fact that Angela seemingly plays a large role in her life no matter what decision she makes. Elliot's father and Angela's mother were unknowing workers on this project in its nascent phase.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Also, concerning Price in regards to ECorp and the Dark Army, why would ECorp ever publicly bring them up? Price has been working with White Rose this entire time. Has Price worked with Whiter0se or the Chinese Government official? I can't remember gonna have to rewatch at some stage. I think she has been in male clothing in every meeting with Price. Maybe the DArmy connection isn't known to Price maybe she is playing both sides? thats how I read it but I'm sure somebody will correct me.
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There were 2 very important events this episode that were largely overshadowed by Angela's Wacky Dream: ECorp effectively repatriated $2T by way of an interest free loan from China. ECorp also took the first step towards privatizing the American economy, by supplanting the dollar with its own cryptocurrency. Beyond that, by pegging the ECoin to the USD, if the ECoin gains legitimacy they could ostensibly repay the loan using ECoin. Since the value of ECoinruns only as far as ECorp lets it, and as long as the US government acknowledges it as a credible currency, there is nothing stopping ECorp from effectively ripping off the Chinese to the tune of $2T. At the same time, while the ECoin is controlled by ECorp currently, there is nothing stopping anyone else from assuming control of the mining operations - the same one the CEO told the president were controlled by ECorp. If ECorp repays the loan via ECoin, and the Chinese assume control of ECoin mining operations, they could reasonably supplant the USD as the de facto currency in the world. Assuming Elliot's main goal is to destroy ECorp (which, though they are responsible for killing his father, is still far from clear), this would achieve several things - China becomes the dominant international currency, ECorp is turned into a mere shadow of itself, and the US government/system/whatever F Society wanted to bring down is significantly hobbled. All of that aside... Until we figure out the motives of Elliot and Whiterose, none of this will be clear or make sense. So far Elliot doesn't seem to be fully aware of the plan that's being credited to him. The one thing that the central characters (ECorp CEO, Elliot, Whiterose, and Wellick) all have in common is a fundamental understanding of power - ECorp CEO and Wellick both want power, Elliot seems to want to redistribute it, and Whiterose is an unknown. Of course this is all theorycrafting, but I have a feeling the geopolitical angle is going to ramp up hard in the near future. The stage is set for it, but the focus was misdirected.
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crowoutofcontext posted:My poo poo theory:
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Mujaji posted:Has Price worked with Whiter0se or the Chinese Government official? I can't remember gonna have to rewatch at some stage. I think she has been in male clothing in every meeting with Price. Maybe the DArmy connection isn't known to Price maybe she is playing both sides? thats how I read it but I'm sure somebody will correct me. I can't ever recall Price meeting the minister under his White Rose persona, but I swear Price has spoken about him and mentioned in a mocking fashion) his cross-dressing. At the very least I remember when he spoke to him during the discussion about China lending ECorp the two trillion he also mentioned how the FBI shootings messed things up so he knows he's connected with the Dark Army.
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KoRMaK posted:it could be in a simulation. Various pieces of evidence point to that possibility, but the bizarre thing is what the hell is the Washington Township plant that is so core to it if it is. If it is a simulation phase 2 will be something to further destabilise it from its normal operating parameters, could be planetary war, complete shut-down of all electronic services, etc.
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I'm enjoying reading all of the theories in this thread arising from this past ep, even the far-out ones. Going down any of these roads would be cool.
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Oh, its 5/9 like a date. NOT 5 9s as in 99.999% (as in 5 nines uptime)Weaponized Cum posted:Frank Semyon: Never do anything out of hunger. Even eating. lol
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Shamelessly stolen from reddit but Angela's abductors ("Inconspicuous man/woman") are listed in the credits of 7 episodes and someone found most of them: S02E02:  S02E04:  S02E05:   S02E08  Plus last week, this week and next week.
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