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Notorious b.s.d. posted:rms is a middle-aged man with crippling nerve damage free software fat man posted:I refuse to have supermarket frequent buyer cards of my own if they have any identifying data, because they are a form of surveillance. I am willing to pay extra for my privacy and to resist an abusive system.
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Gazpacho posted:oh look hes not refusing to do these things because of any physical condition but because prolonged exposure to pacifica radio has convinced him that the republicans are going to use the information to throw him, a white passing jew, in the fema camps also, parrots
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[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I never felt connected with RMS's ideology, especially when his 40-year tirade started from not being able to print something, a problem which the GNU project still has not solved to this day. It turns out printers are poo poo regardless if you get the code to the driver or not. Like, FSF changed its recommendation on a specific laptop to *denounce* it when researchers found a secret backdoor way of being able to upgrade the firmware in a laptop. I assume the logic is that un-upgradable proprietary firmware is indistinguishable from hardware, so it's not a violation, but being able to upgrade firmware means that you're now running proprietary software. It seems bizarre that the FSF recommends hardware that is the most closed, but when you have bizarre logic like that, you come to weird conclusions. gcc was once the toolkit that everybody stole and so it took great pains in its codebase to ensure that nobody could easily use gcc in a license-compatible way that was part of a closed-source toolkit by dumping internal data structures. But now clang exists, and RMS is busy burying his head in the sand while clang makes great strides and attracts great developers writing cool tools with its APIs. RMS's view of networked computing and computer security are extremely dated and you can tell it in everything he says.
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Sep 17, 2016 06:39
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Free software was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.
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atomicthumbs posted:Free software was a mistake. It's nothing but trash. darwin seems p needs suiting to me
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Last Chance posted:jobs did more for computers than stallman and he didn't even write code.
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Gazpacho posted:oh look hes not refusing to do these things because of any physical condition but because prolonged exposure to pacifica radio has convinced him that the republicans are going to use the information to throw him, a white passing jew, in the fema camps that's just good opsec
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Suspicious Dish posted:I never felt connected with RMS's ideology, especially when his 40-year tirade started from not being able to print something, a problem which the GNU project still has not solved to this day. It turns out printers are poo poo regardless if you get the code to the driver or not. printers are still poo poo but we live in an open systems world, and rms did not there were no postscript or pcl printers in the early 1980s. all the problems you have ever had with printers, combined, are trivial compared to the misery back then
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well it was awfully nice of the folks at adobe and microsoft to create that open printing world, so that proprietary OS users don't have to endure the printer pain that linux users still do today
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Sep 18, 2016 03:22
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anyway... source mage? anyone tried it?
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i prefer adobe type manager
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:printers are still poo poo but we live in an open systems world, and rms did not Yes, I'm glad RMS and the GNU project were the ones to solve closed-source printing.
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Sep 18, 2016 03:47
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Suspicious Dish posted:Yes, I'm glad RMS and the GNU project were the ones to solve closed-source printing. don't underestimate the FSF's impact on open systems i know, you weren't born yet, but try to imagine a time when the buzzword wasn't "open source," because we hadn't gotten that far
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Sep 18, 2016 03:53
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Apple has done more with AirPrint to make printers open systems than RMS and the FSF ever did.
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Sep 18, 2016 10:03
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pseudorandom name posted:Apple has done more with AirPrint to make printers open systems than RMS and the FSF ever did. lol
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pseudorandom name posted:Apple has done more with AirPrint to make printers open systems than RMS and the FSF ever did. same, but cups
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software "freedom" is pretty record-setting in how much time and feeling is invested in a political cause when adjusted for its real importance
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:software "freedom" is pretty record-setting in how much time and feeling is invested in a political cause when adjusted for its real importance hoa meetings
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Sep 18, 2016 14:08
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i just like rms' assumption that anybody at the nsa or the fbi will ever care enough about him to read his emails
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Sep 18, 2016 16:42
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Soricidus posted:i just like rms' assumption that anybody at the nsa or the fbi will ever care enough about him to read his emails I, too, have been in a coma since early 2013
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Sep 18, 2016 17:09
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i also like his assumption that if they really wanted to, using someone else's computer would somehow stop them from doing it
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Soricidus posted:i just like rms' assumption that anybody at the nsa or the fbi will ever care enough about him to read his emails this genre of arguments can just go off and die already why do so many people resort to the law of jante when arguing against stallman or the fsf
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Tankakern posted:this genre of arguments can just go off and die already not sure what that has to do with what i posted? i'm laughing at his paranoid attitude to surveillance when there is no reason for a government agency to target him personally, unless you have some reason to believe he's involved in international terrorism or w/e?
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Raluek posted:same, but cups nah, cups still allows device drivers so it does nothing to coerce printer manufacturer behavior OTOH, selling a billion phones and tablets that will only speak to printers using one network protocol and only produce documents using one format compels printer support
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Sep 18, 2016 19:11
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Soricidus posted:i just like rms' assumption that anybody at the nsa or the fbi will ever care enough about him to read his emails didn't rms famously use to leave his password blank on publically accessible multiuser machines, and only stopped once he had had his account trashed several times? that at the very least seems a more entertaining kind of delusion
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Soricidus posted:i just like rms' assumption that anybody at the nsa or the fbi will ever care enough about him to read his emails Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Sep 18, 2016 |
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Sep 18, 2016 20:12
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Gazpacho posted:i'm perfectly fine with him securing his e-mail, that's not what i posted about. i mean the guy really has had his whole ideology shaped by orwell and pacifica and somehow believes that the government just wants to snoop on everyone and everything without any of the biases that are documented to exist. its the most self-centered perversion of privacy activism ever he's the guy willing to actually suffer the consequences of protest you milquetoast wanker
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Sep 18, 2016 22:20
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Richard Stallman is a little strange, but he's an idealist of the best kind, and he actually works for what he believes in. I think that should be commended. Help I'm stuck in Mr. Rogers mode from the tech bubble thread.
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ahmeni posted:he's the guy willing to actually suffer the consequences of protest you milquetoast wanker
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Sep 18, 2016 23:05
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have you considered hacker news instead of this forum because I feel you'd get a lot more support for your view with some equally appalling people
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wow rude
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yeah i know arguments sometimes get a little heated in the Pos but there's no need to compare people to hn posters let's keep the debate at least a little bit civil here
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pseudorandom name posted:nah, cups still allows device drivers so it does nothing to coerce printer manufacturer behavior cups is an apple product 
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:didn't rms famously use to leave his password blank on publically accessible multiuser machines, and only stopped once he had had his account trashed several times? fsvo "public" meaning his local university community that was an experiment in radical communitarian thought, not an actual security posture. lol @ using ITS on the open internet
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Gazpacho posted:i'm perfectly fine with him securing his e-mail, that's not what i posted about. i mean the guy really has had his whole ideology shaped by orwell and pacifica and somehow believes that the government just wants to snoop on everyone and everything without any of the biases that are documented to exist. its the most self-centered perversion of privacy activism ever god forbid a man stand up for basic human rights in a way you find "self-centered" lol
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yes god should forbid it because it amounts to a spectacle of activism that changes nothing for those who are actually targeted for surveillance. it's the "am i being detained" of computer
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Gazpacho posted:yes god should forbid it because it amounts to a spectacle of activism that changes nothing for those who are actually targeted for surveillance. it's the "am i being detained" of computer
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