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FunOne posted:The answer to all questions is: Google Assistant. Whatsapp began in an SMS only world (as far as the average phone was concerned, anyway). It was the first to do what it did and it did it simply and well. Allo now exists in a world with 100 superior competitors that do everything it dies only better. The only unique thing it has is assistant, which is not going to be enough to get people to switch. Especially since assistant or some form of it is going to be everywhere in android in a year.
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Teeter posted:My office is under a parking garage and I get literally zero cell service. I use a hangouts # because it is the only way for me to get calls/text while I am at work. Initial testing with Allo seems to suggest that I can send SMS from my carrier # while at work now, though I can only receive them if it is my initial message that is replied to. Doesn't seem like it will pass anything else through Where the gently caress do you work
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:I would imagine there would have to be some work done by the OEM's to support things like message indicators (typing, read etc) stickers, "fun" features etc. You can have a specific app for 'fun' features. The key is laying out the network so it doesn't have to be opt in. You update play services so it serves as a proxy for the SMS DB while at the same time synchronizing it to the cloud. If the person hasn't downloaded a special app for the messaging, they just use whatever SMS handler they normally use. That message get intercepted by play services. If the recipient is on an enhanced client, the message gets written to the local SMS DB as already sent and then the message is then sent through cloud services to the enhanced client at the other end. If the recipient doesn't have an enhanced client and is on an android phone, the message is still sent by IP and play services on the destination device writes it to the SMS db and the user gets notified via their normal SMS client seamlessly. If the recipient is not using an enhanced client and is not android, it's just sent as SMS. That way, people who really couldn't be bothered and would just rather use normal SMS still reap the advantages of others using the network. If the recipient is android regardless, you can bypass all that tedious mucking about with SMS gateways. The key is that all messages are syncronized to the internet. So, you hop on gMessage in a browser and send a message to someone. If they are using an enhanced client, it just uses IP. If the recipient is SMS only and not android, then the system either uses an SMS relay or sends the message to your phone to send via SMS. I'm willing to bet that all of this functionality could be rolled out to current devices just through play services. Then, after you get that framework working well, you open up API access to the enhanced features. That way, any 3rd party or manufacturer messaging client would be able to interface with them. After a generation of devices, suddenly everyone is on the new chat network and it didn't take anyone signing up for anything.
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I'm just gonna keep using Google Wave.
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The infuriating thing is that Google Messenger + Mighty Text create essentially the perfect solultion for my use case (everyone I know uses SMS/iMessage, the Android users don't even want to gently caress with Hangouts), all I really want is: 1) To have the "sync to all devices" functionality baked in so I don't have to have one more app on the phone 2) To have a way to loving opt out of group messages The first of those things is solved, Google just won't implement it. The second is just a shortcoming of SMS. So goddamn close.
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Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Where the gently caress do you work Basement level of a hospital.
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Whizbang posted:I'm just gonna keep using Google Wave. The wave of the future.
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If a person you are messaging doesn't have Allo and has android wear, the notification and message will pop up on your wrist and you can hit reply, but it just says "Sent" and kills the message.
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Luchadork posted:2) To have a way to loving opt out of group messages Google Messenger lets you at least mute a thread so you don't get notifications.
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I'm using the Google Now launcher on my Nexus 6P and upgraded to Nougat yesterday. Since then, the Google Now page of the home screen is always initially blank, and I have to pull down to refresh to get it to show anything. Has anyone else experienced this? Didn't manage to find anything from searching.
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bull3964 posted:Google could very easily build a superior version of iMessage with little effort, they just have chosen not to. Why? Serious question. I have an iPhone and iMessage is amazing. I don't understand why Google can't just clone it. Is it some kind of technical limitation or what?
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Vanellope posted:Why? Serious question. I have an iPhone and iMessage is amazing. I don't understand why Google can't just clone it. Is it some kind of technical limitation or what?  Apparently one of the big reasons is that internally the culture in Google celebrates new products rather than old products. You get further in the company by making new things than you do improving or updating old things. It's why we see so many good ideas abandoned before they get the support they need to hit that feature / userbase sweet spot.
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bull3964 posted:If a person you are messaging doesn't have Allo and has android wear, the notification and message will pop up on your wrist and you can hit reply, but it just says "Sent" and kills the message. I'm sure all three people this applies to will be up in arms.
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Endless Mike posted:Don't worry. Maybe Google will finally make a true knockoff iMessage in their 2017 messenger app. edit: disregard. This was answered above, I didn't finish reading before posting!
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Endless Mike posted:I'm sure all three people this applies to will be up in arms. I think Android wear is a total fad and will flop too.
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Vanellope posted:Why? Serious question. I have an iPhone and iMessage is amazing. I don't understand why Google can't just clone it. Is it some kind of technical limitation or what? The obvious reason is the relationship people have with Google. With Apple, you know they're trustworthy and are encrypting your messages end to end. Google exists to datamine and that eliminates the encryption. On top of that, they're reading all of your messages for advertising purposes. Now, hypothetically, if Google were to do the obvious thing and have an iMessage clone, to get users they'd have to get the OEMs on board by forcing its usage and onboarding during setup. As bull correctly notes, they could easily do this from a technical standpoint but they'd get pushback from carriers and OEMs and it wouldn't keep the peace. The way I'd do it is essentially the way bull outlined as it's the best technical route to doing so and the pieces are quite literally already in place. I'd present the user with two options, either having end to end encryption and forgoing Google Assistant, or turning off encryption and enabling Google Assistant. The database would be replicated in your Google account for restoring to new devices and searching the chatlogs and as bull correctly notes it would work seamlessly with existing third party messaging clients that already have to use the SMS store on the device. There is really not a technical hurdle at all at any level, it's purely due to Google's desire to have the data.
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Mogomra posted:I think Android wear is a total fad and will flop too.
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LastInLine posted:
What if I want encryption, but my friend doesn't -- aren't we in a situation where google now scans our conversation thread anyway?
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nocal posted:What if I want encryption, but my friend doesn't -- aren't we in a situation where google now scans our conversation thread anyway? Your friend would see a banner at the top of their convo "Google Assistant unavailable for this chat" when chatting with you.
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Endless Mike posted:Considering no one is even bothering to make any new ones, the market agrees unironically. Google's new product division seems to have the life creed of "throw poo poo at the wall and see what sticks." See also: Google Glass. Also related, and amusing: The Verge's review of Allo. "Google Allo review: This is fine."
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Mikl posted:Google's new product division seems to have the life creed of "throw poo poo at the wall and see what sticks." See also: Google Glass. Google Glass was rushed to market over objections of the engineers so that Sergey Brin could give his mistress a high profile position to fail at so that the affair would end. ClassActionFursuit fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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LastInLine posted:Google Glass was rushed to market over objections of the engineers so that Sergey Brin could give his mistress a high profile position to fail at so that the affair would end. Wait what? Because of Poe's law and all that, I honestly can't tell if you're being serious.
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Mikl posted:Wait what? Because of Poe's law and all that, I honestly can't tell if you're being serious. I added a source you'd find credible.
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Apple could literally poo poo all over google\android\9th attempt at a messaging platform by just releasing a android version of iMessenger.
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LastInLine posted:I added a source you'd find credible. What in the actual gently caress I had no idea 
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Mikl posted:What in the actual gently caress The details are way more sordid than that article lets on. Sergey and his wife and Rosenberg and her boyfriend all worked at Google and there was a love trapezoid going on for a while. It wasn't until the affair was made public (by Valleywag? I think?) that Sergey decided to leave his wife for her but by then he knew he needed a way out of that relationship, so the rumors were that he used Glass to do it by making her more or less the public face of it, rushing it out of prototype far before it was ready, and having the project fail in view of everyone. By rumors I mean that it was a way to disgrace her, the fact that he rushed it out far before it was time is common knowledge. And now you know why tech billionaires hated Gawker since they were responsible for airing most of this laundry. Without them you'd just think Google had feckless leadership and was therefore incapable of focusing on anything like a ADD-addled child but now you know that's true, also it goes all the way to the top. I guess since you're just learning stuff now's a good time to let you know that Eric Schmidt has a soundproofed sex dungeon in Manhattan.
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LastInLine posted:also it goes all the way to the top. I think anyone with any common sense could deduce that from how he loving sky dived into the keynote presentation to introduce Google Glass. That was both hilarious and terrifying! What a wack job. LastInLine posted:I guess since you're just learning stuff now's a good time to let you know that Eric Schmidt has a soundproofed sex dungeon in Manhattan. 
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LastInLine posted:.... Honestly it sounds more like a hook-up spot, at least from what's in the article. The fact that there is an article proves a little bit of paranoia is probably warranted as far as privacy goes. Now that I've said that, watch someone else come up with proof he has an adult sized baby crib and an authentic antique Japanese POW cage.
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I was just thinking, only Google would release a new messaging app that can't transfer conversation history to a new device on the eve of announcing new phones that they want people to buy and move to.
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Why is it we care about Schmidt's sexual inclinations?
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Thermopyle posted:Why is it we care about Schmidt's sexual inclinations? Like, what if it's like this? How is that not even a little funny?
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Thermopyle posted:Why is it we care about Schmidt's sexual inclinations? I only use messaging software from companies that are run by men with high sex drives.
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Aaronicon posted:
Even if they have a successful "old" product? That doesn't make any sense at all.  LastInLine posted:There is really not a technical hurdle at all at any level, it's purely due to Google's desire to have the data. I seriously doubt that the average person would care about data mining if Google made an iMessage clone. People would flock to it. I mean, Facebook has how many billion users? incoherent posted:Apple could literally poo poo all over google\android\9th attempt at a messaging platform by just releasing a android version of iMessenger. Apple would only be making GBS threads all over themselves if they did that. iMessage is one of the main reasons people buy iPhones. I'd buy an Android today if it had iMessage.
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Thermopyle posted:Why is it we care about Schmidt's sexual inclinations? I don't think we care, because we'd all do the same thing with Schmidt's money if we had it.
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Vanellope posted:Even if they have a successful "old" product? That doesn't make any sense at all. .....
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beerinator posted:I only use messaging software from companies that are run by men with high sex drives. nimper posted:I don't think we care, because we'd all do the same thing with Schmidt's money if we had it. I like to think that the thread title applies here, too.
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LastInLine posted:
Larry Page also has a sex dungeon, but it is not sound proof.
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Do their sex dungeons have SMS fallback?
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Lowen SoDium posted:Larry Page also has a sex dungeon, but it is not sound proof. Rookie mistake, and you hate to see it.
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