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Platypus Farm posted:el sol into broken heart is maybe my favorite two song sequence of all time. I saw Zwan live 3 times when they were active and loved every single show and would rank them near the top of all the concerts I've ever seen. Zwan live, especially early on, was a serious force to be reckoned with. Unfortunately that energy didn't really translate over to the album, which also suffers from horrid production imo.
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Gm Place from 97 obviously because it captures the full loving excessive self indulgence of late mcis tour. Their show before last in 2000 at the united center was really good with a great example of a brutally heavy ava adore. Those are the two off the top of my head.
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LordPants posted:Gm Place from 97 obviously because it captures the full loving excessive self indulgence of late mcis tour. I'd add whichever one of the ARISING! tour shows had a soundboard recording released semi-recently. Those shows had really cool setlists. As far as Adore, they're all more or less the same, but I have a soft spot for that tour. Get a good soundboard (Fox Theater comes to mind) and you're pretty set.
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Contender for most awkward interview response ever: (23m 40s if it doesn't automatically advance) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWwGBXV07fA&t=1420s The whole interview is kind of weird. They seem to have a lot of praise for each other - do you think it was just for the cameras, or were they still naive to the coming doom? I remember watching this on tv when it aired. This particular video was cut from a much longer program with a longer interview and performance. The performance at the beginning of the video is worth watching.
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Billy just bought a minority share of TNA Wrestling, so hopefully we'll see some crossover shows with pumpkins and wrestling together at last
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Billy just posted a video saying that he just basically finished a new solo album, him and Jeff are starting a new band together that's going to be very unlike SP, and regarding SP, there's some "big stuff happening" very soon and they're "making plans". Of course the one thing on everyone's mind is whether there's going to be an original lineup reunion. Billy played with Jimmy and James for a couple shows earlier this year, and D'arcy said she would consider playing in the band again, after which Billy said he was "encouraged to hear that she is playing music once more, and writing songs."
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That would also explain why Billy's finding something else for SHREDDER to do.
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While THE SHREDDER is basically like the worst possible nickname Billy could have chosen I am glad that he's doing some stuff with Jeff still. Jeff is a killer guitarist but no-one seems to pay any attention to him outside of Iha V2. If the original Pumpkins get back together and do the Pumpkins thing while Billy does weird poo poo solo and in whatever the new band is I think everyone would probably be happy. Pumpkins fans get more of that and Billy still gets to do weird 2 hour long beep boop sessions. I just like that everyone seems to have stopped hating each other. Feel the love.
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There was a wave of old bands reuniting, Dino Jr and Soundgarden being the obvious grunge parallels. But the fact is the pumpkins hating each other means they never did and them finally reuniting would hold genuine interest for a lot of people because it wasnt just well the royalties are drying up maybe we should play some shows like what happened when everyone else got back together.
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Didn't Billy and James reunite because they were freaking out about those early demos that leaked earlier this year?
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Baron von Eevl posted:Didn't Billy and James reunite because they were freaking out about those early demos that leaked earlier this year? Yes. Which is sad, because for every release before Zeitgeist, we got demos and outtakes of *everything*. Now we have to wait to decide for it to maybe be included on a reissue that will never come out. Also, I was at the Jane's Addiction set at Lollapalooza and Jimmy came out to play on Jane Says.
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Pizza Club posted:Also, I was at the Jane's Addiction set at Lollapalooza and Jimmy came out to play on Jane Says. Holy poo poo  Did he play WITH Steve, or instead of him? I love both of them (though Jimmy a bit more).
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Sorry for the double post, but whatever, no one posts here that much anymore: http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/08/billy-corgan-named-president-of-tna-and-impact-wrestling-company/ William is now president of the TNA and Impact Wrestling company. I don't know anything about wrestling, what company is what, what TNA is, or what any of this means.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Sorry for the double post, but whatever, no one posts here that much anymore: It means Billy makes terrible life choices.
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Ol' Bills #1 priority now: becoming president of a dog poo poo, scummy wrestling promotion that no credible person or company wants anything to do with.
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Sounds like a step up from hanging out with Alex Jones, at least the wrestling is fake
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baka kaba posted:Sounds like a step up from hanging out with Alex Jones, at least the wrestling is fake Hanging out with Alex Jones would be fun
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https://twitter.com/immolations/status/764566345459568641 Alex Jones is just literally cutting wrestling promos now.
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Has anyone heard Run2Me yet? My friend played it for me the other night and I wanted to fight and kill it
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redweird posted:Has anyone heard Run2Me yet? My friend played it for me the other night and I wanted to fight and kill it I really hated Monuments. Which is weird, because I thought Oceania was great.
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Baron von Eevl posted:I really hated Monuments. Which is weird, because I thought Oceania was great. I wouldn't say I hated Monuments, but it's just completely not interesting to me at all. And again, aside from a couple tracks, I loved Oceania too.
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Baron von Eevl posted:I really hated Monuments. Which is weird, because I thought Oceania was great. I'm kinda afraid "Oceania" is gonna be the last Pumpkins album that was written with the help of an actual band. It seems like Nicole and Mike had more than their fair share of input on the arrangements.
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Noise Machine posted:I'm kinda afraid "Oceania" is gonna be the last Pumpkins album that was written with the help of an actual band. It seems like Nicole and Mike had more than their fair share of input on the arrangements. Who the gently caress knows, maybe we'll get an original lineup album soon (that James and D'arcy won't even actually play on again).
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Run2Me is a really terrible song, but I like Monuments (the song) and Dorian. Oceania is definitely a stronger album though.
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Monuments is a kinda bad album because it's pretty short for a Pumpkins album and then 1/3rd of the songs are outright terrible stuff that Billy checked out for. They're bland and boring as poo poo. Run2me, Drum and Fife, and Being Beige are all poo poo. The other stuff is good and some is pretty great. I love Dorian, but at the same time I'd actually love way more for Depeche Mode to cover it because it would sound way better. Also while the drumming is nice, loud, and clear, it's boring and about as exciting as my grandma on drums. Billy really needs Jimmy back. At least with Oceania there was a sense of creativity and striving for something, a lot of Monuments feels like Billy just putting out another album just because.
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I liked Monuments. I didn't love it, but I liked it. Tiberius, Being Beige, One and All, Dorian and Anti-Hero are good. Anaise, Run2Me, Drum + Fife and Monuments are meh to bad. Which wouldn't really be that bad except with only 9 tracks if feels very awkward. Tommy Lee is fine enough but man the drums just sucked life on Monuments too. Billy really needs a great drummer behind him. With Billy doing solo stuff and forming another band/project with Jeff I'm hoping he'll do something more Pumpkins-y with the next album. Some of the live stuff he's done that never got on an album was killer. Oceania was pretty loving good. It felt like the Pumpkins while doing its own thing. Pull that off again, Billy.
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He should just do solo acoustic stuff with SD-era dream-pop vocal shenanigans.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:He should just do solo acoustic stuff with SD-era dream-pop vocal shenanigans. So like The Future Embrace and/or Adore minus the electronics? That could be cool and a graceful way to age as a rawk dude.
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In Billy's latest video, he talks more about wrestling bullshit which I am sure everyone cares about. He also mentions his solo album a little bit and goes on to talk about new SP material which is going to sound more like Gish/Siamese Dream in his words. While smirking, he neither confirmed nor denied working with James and D'arcy but kind of joked about needed to get Jimmy on board.
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Yeah but didn't he say that Monuments was supposed to be him doing Siamese Dream again?
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Every album going forward will be 'like the old sound', and will actually venture further and further away, until one day, he says 'I think I'm going to go in a new direction', and then totally have a 25+ track release filled with fuzzed-out, melancholic, shoegaze-inspired anthems and ballads, with his vocals mixed properly. I'd put up with a LOT of Beige Beige for that.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:fuzzed-out, melancholic, shoegaze-inspired anthems and ballads, with his vocals mixed properly
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Monuments sounds pretty good and some of the songs sound great (Dorian). It's really well put together. Just all of the songs are...nothing. The song writing is so basic, they could've been written by anyone. They're all polished up real well and a couple of them have some ok riffs but there's no twists and turns, nothing interesting happens. Given the budget, producer, equipment, Tommy Lee, etc just about anyone with some song writing experience could make an album at least as good. Oceania was "encouraging". It sounds a bit Christian Rock and the drums are too loud but they were on the right track
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CabaretVoltaire posted:Monuments sounds pretty good and some of the songs sound great (Dorian). It's really well put together. Just all of the songs are...nothing. The song writing is so basic, they could've been written by anyone. They're all polished up real well and a couple of them have some ok riffs but there's no twists and turns, nothing interesting happens. Given the budget, producer, equipment, Tommy Lee, etc just about anyone with some song writing experience could make an album at least as good. That was a conscious choice to "stay relevant" in "the age of ADD" as BC put it. Immediacy. Also here's a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS0C0FjLCJo Ratios and Tendency fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Ratios and Tendency posted:That was a conscious choice to "stay relevant" in "the age of ADD" as BC put it. Immediacy. Jesus christ, I love Machina as much as the next person, and am fine with there being a concept behind it, but that's where I stop thinking about it, really. Also, I just happened to jump to a spot (26:50) and the dude is saying (paraphrased here) "Here's a feeling I have that will most likely prevent me from ever hanging out with Billy Corgan; I think he's a narcissist." You don't say
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I like how he takes seemingly arbitrary words and drowns them in slap echo. Oh wait, no, the opposite of that. I'm very annoyed by that.
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I watched some recentish interviews and he is just such an immense tool. How did the band stick around for as long as they did.
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Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlin, Flood, Alan Moulder, Butch Vig, Brad Wood, and others discuss the Pumpkins' recording history in a very pro-click article in Tape Op magazine.
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Masonic Youth posted:Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlin, Flood, Alan Moulder, Butch Vig, Brad Wood, and others discuss the Pumpkins' recording history in a very pro-click article in Tape Op magazine. Billy posted:I came in (to the recording of Siamese Dream) with a very strong mind that we needed to have a guitar sound that was idealized in the way that Cream or Boston had an idealized guitar sound. Mission loving accomplished, holy poo poo. I'm STILL in love with those tones, and it would be my dream to be able to faithfully and regularly recreate them with the gear I have. Sadly, I doubt that'll happen, but ever now and then, I try again. EDIT: Oh, he acknowledges the recent vocal mixes. Looks like they won't be changing any time soon  quote:Billy Corgan: There is a sonic aspect to that. My voice is quite thin and small, so my voice tends to sound bigger, actually, in a wall of guitars. It's been weird for me in the last seven years, because as vocals have gotten louder in the sonic spectrum – and the general consensus is, "Well, you should have louder vocals" – it exposed my voice in a way that probably wouldn't be as exposed if it was still sitting in a pile of guitars. Fans are always complaining and saying, "Turn your vocals back down," but that's the way I like to hear it. Siamese Dream is probably the greatest: Jimmy on fire, and me singing behind a wall of guitars is probably the greatest expression of what we are capable of. EDIT 2 (final edit, I promise): Holy gently caress! quote:Jimmy Chamberlin: No Pumpkin record was ever recorded with a click. The only songs that we ever recorded to a click were "1979" and "Try, Try, Try" because we sped the drums up. And I think that's it. We didn't use a click on anything else. Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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