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Gonz posted:Future Imperfect was on today, and there's just no excuse for Riker's alien captor turning out to be a 20 dollar Halloween costume. After Andreas Katsulas, everything else in the episode would seem cheesy by comparison, anyway. 
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Baronjutter posted:It's also stupid to ever not like something because of the fans, but man firefly comes close. I cannot hate on Firefly fans while Sherlock fans exist.
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Zurui posted:I cannot hate on Firefly fans while Sherlock fans exist. I kind of like Sherlock, but I honestly have trouble considering myself a fan of something that has been running for so many years already and hasn't yet reached the episode count of Firefly. It's so infrequent that I barely think about it until there are new episodes. Doctor Who is almost getting that way with all the production troubles it's been having. Firefly also just doesn't work for me. A friend tried to get me into it when the movie came out and it was just so easy to ignore that I never felt compelled to pay attention. Tried the series later on my own and still stalled after like 3 episodes. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Sep 24, 2016 |
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I'm exactly that way with Doctor Who now. I can't pinpoint when it happened, but at some point I just stopped caring about the show any time it's not actively in front of me. I still enjoy watching it but I've said "oh, the new season is over? I should probably catch up" for at least two seasons running. To bring it back to Trek, I watched "Night." It was a surprisingly good episode. I bought Janeway's desire to abdicate and stay behind after four years of this poo poo. I don't buy how ridiculously tough Voyager is against all of these "superior" enemies. The reset button is getting to me as well; the Hirogen literally tore Voyager apart deck by deck and...it's just fixed I guess? Where did they get the duranium to do that?
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Sash! posted:If someone was protesting somewhere that they bring back Space Above and Beyond, I'd stand across the street with a sign that said ABANDON ALL HOPE in crude writing. Fuckin' nice 
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Does anyone know what happened to the DS9 remasters (other than "people didn't buy TNG because we gave people the choice of streaming them for free or spending $Texas for the Blu-rays")? They used to say they relied on CGI too much and the original files were missing but then some CG animator guy was like "Oh, I've got all the animation files sitting around here somewhere. Let me render something for you" and this got posted online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJs0-hhOZFQ ...then the goon who worked on the TNG remaster said animation guy fell through and there hasn't been any official word on the project since. What I'm wondering is was the animator full of poo poo? Was he trying to sell a bunch of art assets he didn't technically own? Did CBS really take that much of a bath on TNG that they can't do an  DS9 remaster without all the cool special features (which would give them an excuse to double-dip down the road)? Does CBS really just not care about Edit: Seems also that I was mixing together this Trek Core article (three guesses who originally posted it here) and the youtube video I already posted which I think got linked here around the same time. Cat Hatter fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Sep 24, 2016 |
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It isn't just redoing the battles. Think of every instance of Odo shapeshifting and how much money replacing all those scenes would cost. CBS hosed up on TNG's pricing and streaming availability and that's why we'll never get a DS9 Remaster. Not to mention how niche that release would be. TNG is still syndicated on at least two or three channels today. The last time I saw a DS9 rerun was three years ago on a local Houston channel, and before that it was on UPN after midnight when Enterprise was still airing.
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It's sad, but this is one of the examples where I totally understand the economic infeasibility. Wonder if they'd ever consider a sort of "DS9's Greatest Hits" remaster, though?
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I just edited my post to correct it a bit, but poo poo like phaser hits or the one time per season they could afford to render Odo changing shape is probably not all that expensive to re-do in 2016. The biggest thing everyone was always audibly sweating about was that TNG and TOS would have a maximum of like 4 ship on screen at any given time and TNG still had most of the camera negatives for the model shots, whereas DS9 would have 600+ CGI ships flying around that nobody was thought to still have the assets for. Rereading the article though makes it sound like only one of the two studios that worked on the show has the assets left and you'd still have all the interior stuff to do and I still have no idea how they managed to composite Way Of The Warrior with models on a TV budget (its not like they were playing with Return Of The Jedi money). I'd still like to know if Robert Bonchune was exaggerating in that interview though, or if they just don't think the money is there. Maybe by the 60th anniversary things will have progressed to the point they can just shove an SD episode and a bunch of film negatives into a computer and be 90% of the way there? I did find DS9 reruns are on Heroes & Icons late at night. You know, if you get that channel.
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EX-GAIJIN AT LAST posted:I don't know the status of the actual CGI data, whether it was irretrievably lost or just too disorganized to collect it all, or the corporate suits decided it'd be quicker and cheaper to just reuse the master tapes. If memory serves, JMS had some suspicions about it, but I could be conflating that with any number of other suspicions he has. The original masters were lost, if I recall correctly. They had to do a transfer for the effects off of the NTSC master. It's interlaced as gently caress.
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remusclaw posted:Firefly also just doesn't work for me. A friend tried to get me into it when the movie came out and it was just so easy to ignore that I never felt compelled to pay attention. Tried the series later on my own and still stalled after like 3 episodes. Had a friend who insisted I watch the show. So I watched it, in the correct order, including the movie. I was not at all impressed. It seems like they were trying too hard to have a diverse cast of characters.
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firefly main characters feel like RPG characters, which is a good thing. Book is played by the GM.
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I'd imagined a Star Trek new show that would have had a ship crewed by Data's as well, but it was meant to be a demonstration that the Federation had basically been reducing human crews and replacing them with machines. This is described as a means of reducing loss of life, but it would come coincidentally along with a new surge of militaristic ideals being floated in certain circles of Federation society. Janeway would be a main antagonist, pursuing a stolen ship crewed by the show's main cast, who would basically be driving straight into the last bit of uncharted space left to have a grand adventure, unaware that their actions would have major reprecussions on the Federation and all its allies. I thought the idea of a crew of Datas was really creepy, especially if they start acting awfully Borg-like as they get further and further from the bright lights of Federation space.
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Some shots of the concept art, although there were a fair few changes between this and what made it to the screen, I think dramatically for the better. (The final product's neck angles backwards at both its front and back, and the pylons don't reach all the way to the rear of the hull, and I think from the front they're just plain straight, and the shuttlebay looks less like an anus)    
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I don't understand why anyone likes girthy pylons
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those pylons are terrible pylons do not need to be beefy, warp nacelles do not exert force !
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why are those nacelles looking like they have a rocket engine on them gah
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https://twitter.com/WorfYelp/status/755815342467719168?lang=en
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I'd imagined a Star Trek new show that would have had a ship crewed by Data's as well, but it was meant to be a demonstration that the Federation had basically been reducing human crews and replacing them with machines. This is described as a means of reducing loss of life, but it would come coincidentally along with a new surge of militaristic ideals being floated in certain circles of Federation society. Once Voyager makes it back and they reverse-engineer the mobile holoemitter there is literally no reason to have more than a dozen actual human beings on board a starship.
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Mister Kingdom posted:Had a friend who insisted I watch the show. So I watched it, in the correct order, including the movie. This in a Star Trek thread.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I thought the idea of a crew of Datas was really creepy, especially if they start acting awfully Borg-like as they get further and further from the bright lights of Federation space. Dollars to doughnuts the hyper advanced ship from the future Federation in that comic is Data.
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You... are the son of a traitor!
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EX-GAIJIN AT LAST posted:This in a Star Trek thread. Sad, isn't it?
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EX-GAIJIN AT LAST posted:This in a Star Trek thread. How many different space-wheelchairs have there been? Two at the very least.
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So, uh.... I assume there has been discussion about this, but I can't be the only one like, legitimately thrilled about everything I have read concerning Star Trek: Discovery.... Right? I mean, right off the bat I am positively thrilled with Bryan Fuller as showrunner, which is such a radical and amazing departure from Rick "I'm a homophobic prick" Berman. Both Dead Like Me and Hannibal (Ohh, especially Hannibal) had wonderful style and panache, and more to the point it truly excelled at being what it was supposed to be - that's a great thing you can say about Hannibal. I just feel like Bryan Fuller is going to excel at executing a Star Trek series, as well. And I have very high expectations, as a result; I am expecting what is essentially a serious, earnest, (if slightly pretentious and silly) attempt at what Gene Roddenberry was attempting to do with "The Cage". Given that their lead is a female named "Number One", they are clearly going out of their way somewhat to establish some connection with what the original conception of Star Trek was going to be. And I have to say, it's really really wonderful to read the following: quote:The Hall H panel on Star Trek’s 50th Anniversary and the press conference very much focused on the franchise’s role in pushing boundaries and promoting a better future, which is something that is clearly on Discovery showrunner Fuller’s mind. He said, “The state of this country right now terrifies me and saddens me and I feel like we need something like Star Trek to remind us that, collectively as a human race we’re going to get our poo poo together, and we’re going to build a better future, and we have to start working much harder on that today.” After FIVE long series and hundreds upon hundreds of episodes of ignoring the existence of homosexuality and never even SAYING the word "gay" - the closest anyone ever came was McCoy describing Tribbles erroneously as "bisexual" - largely as a result of Berman putting a moratorium on the subject and slashing out any references to it in any way in every last script.... *drum rollllll* we finally get real gay characters on real, canon Star Trek! Woo-Hoo! I can't be the only one who isn't at least a little bit excited about this... am I?\ Anyway, I'm sure they will begin filming soon (if not already?) and we will get a sense. I feel sincerely confident with Bryan Fuller heading things. And don't judge Alex Kurtzman by the work he did on the movies, per se - he was a key part of the Fringe team, and that show was absolutely one of the better genre/sci-fi shows to air on network TV in the post-Trek era - even if it was more in the vein of The X-Files.
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I'm cautiously optimistic. Bryan Fuller has made some excellent tv, including Dead Like Me which is one of my favorite shows. On the other hand he was involved with 81 episodes of Voyager. On the other, other hand by most accounts he wasn't given a lot of input on those episodes.
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I'm slightly optimistic because it seems to be a low-medium budget production, which means it might actually have a little freedom for actually good writing and creative ideas. The bigger the budget the more focus groups and marketing executives tend to call the shots, specially for something like trek which is probably regarded as dead/risky to bring back. Also decent CG is soooo much cheap than it was back in Enterprise days, let alone DS9 days. I'm hoping for a cast with no real huge names, just good actors. A little like Stranger Things. Don't waste your budget on getting some well established household name star, get some less known up and comers.
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Baronjutter posted:I'm hoping for a cast with no real huge names, just good actors. A little like Stranger Things. Don't waste your budget on getting some well established household name star, get some less known up and comers. And one notable has-been.
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I'd like if we had any idea what the show was about thematically. So far we haven't really heard anything about the writing apart from it's a starship exploration show. We've already had four of those and half of them sucked rear end. I'm not sure they've come up with any hot new ideas for how to make the concept less tired in the intervening decade. I assume it will be more serialized than previous Trek shows have been, but Enterprise tried that too late on and it still mostly sucked rear end. I'm unconvinced that the franchise has much of anywhere left to go and all the talk about using the original series as a touchstone makes me worry that there isn't really going to be anything to this show, apart from its desire to remind you of when you used to watch a different, better show.
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Mister Kingdom posted:Had a friend who insisted I watch the show. So I watched it, in the correct order, including the movie. I'm assuming you mean that their roles have a diverse set of skills like you would find in a heist movie or an rpg, not that they're ethnically diverse. If I remember correctly there were three white guys, one black guy, three white women, and one black woman. Either way, I wouldn't level diversity as a compaint against the show.
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Must importantly, the 'verse is supposedly half Chinese but there are no Chinese people.
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I unironically want a super-crazy kitschy Star Trek with retro-60s futurism on a social justice warpath.
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skasion posted:I'd like if we had any idea what the show was about thematically. So far we haven't really heard anything about the writing apart from it's a starship exploration show. We've already had four of those and half of them sucked rear end. I'm not sure they've come up with any hot new ideas for how to make the concept less tired in the intervening decade. I assume it will be more serialized than previous Trek shows have been, but Enterprise tried that too late on and it still mostly sucked rear end. I'm unconvinced that the franchise has much of anywhere left to go and all the talk about using the original series as a touchstone makes me worry that there isn't really going to be anything to this show, apart from its desire to remind you of when you used to watch a different, better show. Oh, c'mon - it isn't rocket science. It's not like there is some magical formula or a special challenge that a STAR TREK™ show needs to have or accomplish to be successful. It's actually far easier to be successful with a franchise like Star Trek, because you aren't obligated to do some huge amount of world-building and massive exposition dumps and clunky writing and scenes spent trying to establish the setting of genre shows like these. Star Trek is Star Trek, and on a very basic level these showrunners know what that means, and they know how to use that, take advantage of that, and ideally turn it on its head at times. What encourages me is that Fuller is a legitimately smart guy. I've heard him speak and read interviews, and he is a no-bullshit legit clever guy who knows precisely what he does and wants to do in terms of his television shows, and generally does it. Season 2 of Hannibal, in my opinion, stands as the best season of television he's ever done. Hannibal also proved his ability to simultaneously make a show both serialized and "monster of the week" in terms of its construction, without any particular episode truly or fully feeling like it's entirely one or the other, but each being a sort of hybrid to one degree another which may or may not focus on the smaller arc within the context of the greater arc, or what may seen like a monster of the week initially may turn out to be an episode dealing with the main arc of the season. He's very good at messing with those expectations
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Wikkheiser posted:I unironically want a super-crazy kitschy Star Trek with retro-60s futurism on a social justice warpath. See, I would rather they move on from it's continuity if possible. Set it 50 years after the end of the TNG era, don't get bogged down in already making what has been made.
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Wikkheiser posted:I unironically want a super-crazy kitschy Star Trek with retro-60s futurism on a social justice warpath. I'm really curious to see how they handle production design. Even if the show was ultimately poo poo, I'd love it to pieces if everyone had beehives and tapered cuts and the sets were made of painted styrofoam in insane colors.
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Rhyno posted:There's no way they'd start filming without the cast leaking out. CBS already said like a week ago that Discovery won't start shooting until November.
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Cat Hatter posted:I'm assuming you mean that their roles have a diverse set of skills like you would find in a heist movie or an rpg, not that they're ethnically diverse. Pretty much that. I'm surprised they didn't advertise the cast as a "ragtag group of misfits". I just didn't feel there was any real chemistry among the cast. Maybe if it has lasted longer.
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