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TFRazorsaw posted:Like, even if fandom weren't terrible? Pairing up their partners too is just incredibly unoriginal. The least creative thing possible. It turns the digimon into shadows of their human partners. It has nothing going for it to me beyond "their kids get shipped together" and "they turn into similar things", which makes it even more token and boring. You remain the biggest killjoy for me. I think they're a cute enough couple if you're going to have one. I'm also more used to the dub still so I think of how Patamon was treated there more, specifically in 02 amusingly enough. Where they were just always together doing poo poo and ignoring the other new Digimon, and Patamon was basically her equal.
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Oct 1, 2016 18:29
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You know I was going to find dub stuff of them dancing or whatever to show what I meant but this literally isn't important and you are trying too hard to be a wet blanket about it.
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Oct 1, 2016 18:54
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Burkion posted:You know I was going to find dub stuff of them dancing or whatever to show what I meant but this literally isn't important and you are trying too hard to be a wet blanket about it. hey man, digiman is I M P O R T A N T plz get it right
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Oct 1, 2016 18:58
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TFRazorsaw posted:Yeah, what am I thinking? These two are totally on the same level. :P Not that it matters either, but this also sums up like 50% of my gf's reactions when I'm with my idiot friends.
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Oct 1, 2016 19:03
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The dancing was them imitating Hikari's gym class and V-mon's imagination running away from him, wasn't it? In any case, dude, you're the one who talked about how they were practically canon. Kithkar posted:Not that it matters either, but this also sums up like 50% of my gf's reactions when I'm with my idiot friends. It's more the "Patamon laying on his back drinking juice like a baby from a bottle" thing that gets me.
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Oct 1, 2016 19:05
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As Tailmon spends all her time in Champion form I'm imagining she's facepalming at these Rookie scrubs. Burkion posted:For a shonen anime they might as well be married with six kids Here's the key to fandom: enjoy your headcanon and walk away when the producers decide it's irrelevant. 3/4ths of Digimon talk goes over my head because the elements I was watching most for were taken out of the lineup and so I moved on. Given that a property such as this expects its audience to grow out of it anyway and a new audience to show up and take their place, it only makes sense. It was almost half my lifetime ago that Digimon aired on Fox, for people younger than me (and that's a good number of you) it was likely more than half your lifetimes ago because I was an adult man watching a children's show and interacting with kids who liked it. The nice thing about Digimon and other long running children's franchises that sometimes remember their past 18 years later is that they're not constantly contradicting their older works as frequently as something like Sonic the Hedgehog or The Simpsons do. The only battles we have are the same old battles, we don't frequently argue over whether what is Agumon's favorite food because they changed it in the 2010 reboot (ask Sonic fans about chili dogs, go ahead, ask 'em), or fight over which voice actor is better, etc. We're now one of those fandoms where a mother of a five year old posts, "I thought it was cute when Tai rescued Sora that one time, they make a cute couple" and some bearded guy with a college degree responds "HELL NO MIMI #1"
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Oct 1, 2016 19:39
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quote:We're now one of those fandoms where a mother of a five year old posts, "I thought it was cute when Tai rescued Sora that one time, they make a cute couple" and some bearded guy with a college degree responds "HELL NO MIMI #1" "We're now one of those" nothing. The fandom has always been like this.
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Oct 1, 2016 19:44
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has it really been 18 years, cause lol that's exactly 3/4ths of my life
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Oct 1, 2016 19:47
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More like seventeen. Give it till next year, then Digimon'll be able to vote.
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Oct 1, 2016 19:49
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TFRazorsaw posted:"We're now one of those" nothing. My point is that the people only got older. In terms of tragic fandoms, we could be so much worse. I brought up Sonic because it's probably the biggest kids franchise that doesn't mind throwing it's past away and rebooting. So you got the fans of the 1990s Ohshima chubby Sonic that was on Genesis. Fans of the cartoon or Archie Comic that spun out of it. Fans of the Dreamcast Adventure-era gazillion of animal friends Sonic, maybe fans of whatever the gently caress was going on between 2005-2014, fans of Sonic Boom, etc. None of this makes any canonical sense but it's all canon anyway. And so that leads to enormous fracturing and fighting as some people accept some things and reject others and some people think Sonic loves Amy and others think Sonic loves a human girl and others think Sonic loves chili dogs and is voiced by Jaleel White and nobody else. It took Sonic 25 years to reach this level of poo poo, and others can accomplish it within 18 months (Steven Universe, MLP, etc) while this fandom, particular the season 1/2 anime fandom, is this increasingly aging niche of people who remember this relatively overshadowed media property and quarrel over the same unimportant things they did in 3rd-10th grade.
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Oct 1, 2016 19:58
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Pretty much every franchise has multiple continuities and reiterations of itself. And there's always people who are loyal to one iteration of it over the other. Digimon gets this too, whether it's because they're smartphone creatures now, or because Savers Agumon is too fat and cuz Masaru doesn't wear goggles. You're actually describing a very common thing.
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Oct 1, 2016 20:08
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It's a part of every children's franchise need to reboot itself for a whole new audience because the original audience has almost entirely outgrown it. And this property does an okay job of handling that, since almost nobody was begging for Tri but it's turned out pretty okay.
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Oct 1, 2016 20:14
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I dunno about that. In 2006, comparisons to Digimon Adventure were all I heard. Maybe not specifically clamoring for it but demanding it be just like it, getting mad that this one Piyomon was a dude who didn't evolve into Birdramon, etc. Applimonsters' staff talked about how the franchise has never been able to escape the shadow of Digimon Adventure and they were kind of exactly right.
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Oct 1, 2016 20:18
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Yeah, uhh...that's a very nice thought, but it's also wrong. There's a lot of Adventure purists that ruin any conversation they come in by pointing out how Digimon ended in 02 (yes, they're accepting 02), hilariously enough these same people won't even accept Tri. There's also the people who stop at Frontier because MUH CHILDHOOD, the people who hate Xros Wars because POWER RANGAZ (ignoring how Frontier was the Sentai one, because knowledge should not be a factor when you want to insult something)...oh, and then you have the violent counter-reaction to these, the people who hate Adventure to death for no other reason than not being able to tolerate the Adventure fandom anymore (these are less common, but man, I sometimes want to punch Digisoul.net's admins for being just as bad as what they criticize). Also a lot of people did want Tri, they were whining about it ever since Tamers and never understood why the franchise would try to not be stale as poo poo (especially considering 02 was bad). These same people hate Tri now, of course, but details.
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Only, the thing is, you're judging that from within the old fandom. You are part of the old fandom. The group of people who started with Adventure and judge all other things accordingly. And most of the people who made that kind of complaint are a vocal minority of tryhard my nostalgia is better than this morons...if that is all their reasoning is. I firmly believe Adventure is better than, say, Frontier because despite one having much better animation, the former has an excellent story that manages to balance an insane 16 member cast. While also having extremely memorable villains and a snappy pacing that some how didn't make the 54 episode run time a slog. It's not the best thing ever, but it's a hell of an accomplishment. Objectively, Adventure is Good for all but its animation, with the exception of an episode. I've grown to love Adventure more in recent years with my developed adult brain because I can see the writing hurdles they had to deal with, while also keeping it loose and fun and just a great kids show. I can also articulate why I like it a lot, and where it fails at. When I was 7, it was just this really cool show with this actual on going story that was way more engaging to me than Pokemon was at the time, and I loved giant monsters so seeing a bunch of giant monsters fighting like that was great. I also always had an affinity for Angel and Devil imagery so you can imagine my child-like glee at Angemon VS Devimon. It also had a bit more bite that made me like it more on a base level because I was 7 and couldn't articulate why I felt that way. I distanced myself from it for years after Tamers, came back to it and found what worked for me and what didn't hold up- which even at the time I likely knew the animation wasn't great. Full disclosure my attempt to get into the Digimon fandom back in the early days of the internet quickly crashed and burned because one of the first, and easiest, sites I found was some anime porn group that I noped right the gently caress out of. But it was one that had a really innocous name, like...Digi Artists? Something like that. So I mostly talked about Digimon at the time with friends, and when the show was off the air that's the last I thought about it for years and years until I was able to rewatch it. Basically as I realize I've drifted way off this topic You're letting a very small part ofa very niche group annoy and bother you about things that don't really matter. If you don't like it, you don't have to do anything with it- if you do, good for you enjoy it. Just don't become the opposite of what you hate in the fandom.
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I'm responding to what the guy is saying about the nature of the fandom. That's a serious problem with a lot of fandoms, especially long running ones. From Digimon to TFs, there's a barrier of entry that sort of pushes what is and isn't okay to like, and while there are decidedly exceptions like Blaze Dragon pointed out, it tends to favor "first installment wins". The fandom is still arguing about these things seventeen years later. Heck, we're doing that right now, when there's more new stuff to take in than we've had in nearly six whole years. I think it's okay to debate, or even vent frustrations, in the context of all that.
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Oct 1, 2016 20:44
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but here, let's discuss more important things like why Mr. Satan is in this show
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I'll be open about this I do not like what I've seen of Appmon. It feels like it's only superficially Digimon, and purposely so. Like it's a Bakugon or Shinzo that got too close to Digimon so they decided to brand it as a spin off. So how I feel about it is largely a byproduct of that. But I haven't seen the show and I can't really talk about it because of that, so I don't say much about it. Instead I talk about what I do have an interest in, which is Tri, which is Adventure. And every now and again I like to bring up little minor things that makes me smile, like how I think Patamon and Gatomon make a cute couple even though I know it won't ever be canon because that's not the point of the show. EDIT- Holy poo poo Mr Satan is in the show. Who in the world would his Digimon even be
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I'd... recommend you try and watch it before making any solid decisions, then. There's only so much you can glean without subs, but everything that makes Digimon Digimon is there. There's still an emphasis on partnership. They're subverting a lot of the usual tropes, but that's with the intent of, again, rebuilding it out of Adventure's shadow. The monsters still have personality, and the digital aspect (which only Tamers paid attention to in a meaningful aspect anyway) is still emphasized. They've changed some things around, but the core of what makes Digimon Digimon is still very much there.
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I think fandom needs to keep a critical eye, but with the right arguments. I'm a giant Digimon fan, the kind of guy who can just go on a tangent about the franchise at any given point, hell I've had several Digimon RPs (one of which lives up to this point and was created entirely because I was loving pissed at how bad Hunters was and wanted to use the concept better) but I'll be the first to point out how Digimon has had lots of missteps: the mess of plotholes that's 02, the terrible slog of Frontier, Hunters in general, nearly every video game...but hell, when it gets it right? It gets it drat right. Adventure marked a lot of children, me included, and as an adult I've learned to appreciate a lot more some parts that I didn't as a kid (seriously, the entirety of the Dark Masters arc is some of the best material Digimon ever had) even if I also see more errors (the whole thing is...disconnected, and I'm glad the novels took the effort in making it less RPG-ish). I love Adventure around Vamdemon and forward. Tamers is one of my favourite anime ever. Savers was great and rekindled my love for the franchise after Frontier killed the franchise, anime-wise. Xros Wars was pretty neat even if it took me a while to accept it being different. X-Evolution is really drat good and more people should watch it. And quite honestly? It saddens me how little of the fandom knows the manga. If anyone here hasn't read V-Tamer, for the love of god, go read V-Tamer. That poo poo's excellent. It took Daisuke and Takuya and made them actually grow! It's one of my favourite Digimon pieces ever. The Xros Wars manga is also great, better than the anime, although it was very blatantly cancelled due to Hunters failing and the ending is rushed as hell because of it. Next is also pretty good, although it's the weakest of the three. Even some games are pretty good. I'll defend Digital Card Battle forever and my unfulfilled dream is finding some way to LP it here for all to see, I'm just not that interesting and it's a card game so I don't know how (I accept ideas!). Rumble Arena was the fighting game for me as a kid even when I owned Super Smash Bros. Seeing both the good and the bad is important, saying that everything is good, or that everything except X is bad, with no other arguments than "IT'S DIGIMON" or "MUH CHILDHOOD" angers me. It annoys me even more when people dislike things because of a counter-reaction to their fandom. A certain site I already mentioned is super guilty of all of these, but since they keep putting information fast, I'm not going to stop following them...they just annoy me at times.
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quote:Seeing both the good and the bad is important, saying that everything is good, or that everything except X is bad, with no other arguments than "IT'S DIGIMON" or "MUH CHILDHOOD" angers me. It annoys me even more when people dislike things because of a counter-reaction to their fandom. A certain site I already mentioned is super guilty of all of these, but since they keep putting information fast, I'm not going to stop following them...they just annoy me at times. If this is in response to things I said earlier in the thread, I feel like I should explain here. At certain points, shipping was, like. Nine tenths of what anyone would focus on. You had people calling Sora an expletive for hooking up with Yamato, the Takeru and Hikari fans who'd twist every character that existed on the periphery (it wasn't just Daisuke, you should see what they said about that French girl Takeru showed an interest in), they'd flat out lie about things that did or didn't get cut in the dub (including a "secret" ending for 02 that had Takeru and Hikari married). And like, this is still going on. That fake teaser for Part 4 of Tri.? They leaped on it and it ballooned into full blown "news", and the only reason it's not spread further out is that the fandom is a lot smaller now. It's just... this goes on so long, it becomes makes you extremely fatigued even seeing it. I'll admit I've been overzealous, and I'll stop talking about it after this, but... at the same time, it just creates this sense of weariness. I dunno, I felt like I should just explain what my perspective was. I'm not trying to be a hater, I'm just very very tired.
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TFRazorsaw posted:If this is in response to things I said earlier in the thread, I feel like I should explain here. At certain points, shipping was, like. Nine tenths of what anyone would focus on. You had people calling Sora an expletive for hooking up with Yamato, the Takeru and Hikari fans who'd twist every character that existed on the periphery (it wasn't just Daisuke, you should see what they said about that French girl Takeru showed an interest in), they'd flat out lie about things that did or didn't get cut in the dub (including a "secret" ending for 02 that had Takeru and Hikari married). This is fandom. You can whine and bitch and moan, but this is fandom. You're just getting yourself too close to the poop and trying to bitch that you're almost touching. Stop getting so close to the poop. Fandom will be fandom, no matter where it is. The only reason you would think one is better than the other is that some fandoms have more vocal contingents than others, but every fandom acts the same way because they all tap into the same part of the human social animal. You'll always have stuff like that. The reason "Rule 34" exists isn't just because "lolz internet", but because that's how things just work. People joke about it, but there are people out there who will get off to something because they feel like they're a part of it, or it makes them a closer part of it. People will make up fake news not just out of hyperbole, but to drum up excitement they can feel a part of. Trolls will always exist, but so will the people who just, right or wrong, feel like they have no other place to belong and fill the voids of loneliness in their hearts with fandoms. When people get that attached to something, they will defend it, and they will defend it as hard as they loving can. The human animal is not a logical machine, people will get up in arms about the dumbest poo poo, and that's completely loving normal. If you're tired of fandoms, stop rubbing your face in them. It's not hard, really. If you go to sites for news that are full of fandom junk, stop it. Or gloss over that part and just get the news. Or do your own research instead of relying on the fanboys who just want excitement. If you really care, you can disconnect from a fandom at large and still be up to date.
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There's a certain wisdom there, and... yeah. I was unneccessarily harsh and dismissive of Burkion. Meh. I thought time away from these boards would help my ability to chill out. I'm sorry, folks.
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Oct 2, 2016 00:49
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you guys need to get laid
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:you guys need to get laidmon
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:laidmon Now would that be a hula-style, or rasta-style Digimon?
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Kuroyama posted:Now would that be a hula-style, or rasta-style Digimon? It'll actually be a Digimon in the form of several disk arrays, as it was meant to be romanized as Raidmon but Bandai hosed up romanizing, as they tend to do.
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Burkion posted:EDIT- Holy poo poo Mr Satan is in the show. Devimon.
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TFRazorsaw posted:... like half the Armor Evolutions share details. That doesn't exactly strike me as evidence. I mean, Shadramon has basically the same armor as Fladramon, are we gonna claim he's a fusion of Stingmon and Fladramon? I know this was hours ago but... It makes sense the Shadramon has the same armor as Flamedramon because it's Wormmon using the Digi-egg of Courage instead of Veemon. Where as Sagittarimon has nothing that even remotely looks like the Digi-egg of Hope.
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the Digimental of Hope's evolutions are based on constellations of hooved creatures Goatmon = Capricorn Sagitarrimon = Sagittarius, of course Pegasmon = Pegasus, natch Moosemon = Mriga the deer, which is what the Norse considered Orion to be Bullmon = Taurus Sheepmon = Aries Sagitarrimon fits right in.
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TFRazorsaw posted:the Digimental of Hope's evolutions are based on constellations of hooved creatures that has nothing to do with the design. They could still make it fit and look like he was actually wearing bit of the Digi-egg of Hope instead of pieces of Courage and Friendship
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Well okay, but that's actually very rare among the Armors that don't appear in the show, isn't it? Of all of them I think only Shadramon looks like the Digimental. EDIT - but you're right it does sort of inexplicably have parts of the Digimental Courage on it doesn't it? But then Goatmon looks kind of like he's got parts of the Digimental of Light on him... Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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TFRazorsaw posted:Well okay, but that's actually very rare among the Armors that don't appear in the show, isn't it? It's more that he specifically looks like someone took the Digimental's of Friendship and Courage and smashed them together that gives people the opinion he was repurposed. It wouldn't be a first. Knightmon for some reason has the Crest of Hope on his shield. Yet clearly has no connection to Takeru or the Crest.
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I dunno then. I can see the point now at least. It's weird. Digimon has all sorts of repeating elements that seem to show up again and again on unrelated monsters for no reason. And it's not even given an explanation all the time, like why Etemon has a Monzaemon plush. So I dunno what to think.
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Touya from Tamer Union did a review of the first episode]:quote:Digimon is back. Personally, I think they're right on the money. I recommend checking it out. There's a sub of the first episode out, though it's kind of quick and dirty and you have to resort to 
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Yeah, I definitely agree with every point in that review. I can't really add much more, the first episode makes me really hopeful for the rest of the show and I think it was a pretty strong start. As a person with severe self-confidence issues, I can easily relate to Haru, and I feel that will be very good for children with similar personalities to mine watching. And for the bunch of manchildren like me too, I guess! My only wish is for a good sub group to pick up the show, official or otherwise. The subs here were...rough, although readable.
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Oct 2, 2016 23:02
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Mayumi Shintani's twitter account began following and retweeting Appmon stuff It's coming The Voice
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