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WrenP-Complete posted:Rental kittens? Sort of. They bring the kittens to you so you can play with them for a bit.
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hobbesmaster posted:This is actually illegal in aviation - you can't chip in for gas for your buddy's cessna unless he has a commercial pilot's license.
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Oct 5, 2016 17:57
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Subjunctive posted:Sort of. They bring the kittens to you so you can play with them for a bit. Is that for real? That sounds pretty traumatic to the kittens. Cats hate travel.
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Oct 5, 2016 17:57
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Subjunctive posted:I think it's a regulatory issue at scale whether money changes hands or not. I want soup kitchens to be regulated for food safety, and 100-person church thanksgiving meals, and the grill pit at the fun fair at the local school as well. I want FEMA giving out meals in the wake of a hurricane to be regulated. And I want them to meet the same standards that are applied to commercial enterprises. No one is saying otherwise. It is like you stumbled on the point people have been trying to make. Business means scale, but scale doesn't necessarily mean business.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:00
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BarbarianElephant posted:Is that for real? That sounds pretty traumatic to the kittens. Cats hate travel. It's for real, yeah. The cats are usually available for adoption, so I presume the local SPCA is on board. I haven't seen anyone lash out at Uber about animal cruelty. There are similar programs for pet therapy at hospitals, though I think cats are no longer recommended for health risk reasons.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:01
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BarbarianElephant posted:Is that for real? That sounds pretty traumatic to the kittens. Cats hate travel. That is a horrible idea for kittens and probably humans. That is a good way to spread roundworm.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:02
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There's a local business down here just outside LA that rents out dogs to offices full of stressed workers, so every few months your boss cna get 10 corgis to run around and give people a stress relief day. It's pretty popular, and you have to book 4-5 weeks in advance because basically every day of the week they have some dogs out and about.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:03
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Boot and Rally posted:No one is saying otherwise. The post I was replying to originally was literally saying that things change inherently when money changes hands: Arsenic Lupin posted:Also, and this keeps coming up in this thread, doing something for free is different from doing it for pay. The state doesn't regulate my giving a friend a ride in my beater car, or letting somebody sleep in my hoarder living room where there's no route to the door, or giving a friend chili I've refrigerated by letting it sit on the back porch. Those are all private actions. The state does regulate my running a commercial transport company, a lodging service, or a prepared-food service.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:03
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We had these creepy death therapy cats at a facility I used to work in. The therapy cats would specifically go to elders who were about to pass away and sit with them. Spooky! Then some researchers came and found out the cats could smell some change in the elders' breath (maybe ammonia) that was a leading indicator.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:08
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Subjunctive posted:The post I was replying to originally was literally saying that things change inherently when money changes hands:
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Oct 5, 2016 18:09
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WrenP-Complete posted:That is a horrible idea for kittens and probably humans. That is a good way to spread roundworm. Though if it leads to a significant increase in cat adoptions it might be a plus. Less strain on local animal shelters, less cats that needed to be put down, etc. Who knows how many people might be willing to adopt a cat and be decent cat owners if someone handed them a kitten for a few hours.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:09
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Huh. Interesting. I guess you buy him a case of beer inst-- oh, wait.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:10
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twodot posted:There's a variety of cases where society moves pretty quickly from "unregulated social interaction" to "regulated activity". Chipping in for snacks at board game night is fine, chipping in for snacks at poker night is illegal (at least where I am). Buying people drinks at a bar is fine, buying people drinks at a club you've rented with a banquet permit is illegal. I'm not convinced there's really a coherent philosophy behind it in most areas (even if the regulations are individually good), just whatever legislators that year thought needed regulating. Yeah, I'm totally not defending "all business regulations are smart, relevant, and well-thought-out." I'm defending "business regulations are often a good thing and should apply to 'disruptive' businesses just as they apply to any other".
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Oct 5, 2016 18:13
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Panfilo posted:Though if it leads to a significant increase in cat adoptions it might be a plus. Less strain on local animal shelters, less cats that needed to be put down, etc. Who knows how many people might be willing to adopt a cat and be decent cat owners if someone handed them a kitten for a few hours. I realize now I meant ringworm, not roundworm, though your point is still a good one.
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The kitten I got as a teenager scratched my dad and then disappeared with a flurry of fur under a chest of drawers for the next 2 days, only to be coaxed out with food & litter tray. I'm not sure how "try before you buy" would work with kittens. They aren't so cute when they are freaked out by car travel.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:24
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BarbarianElephant posted:The kitten I got as a teenager scratched my dad and then disappeared with a flurry of fur under a chest of drawers for the next 2 days, only to be coaxed out with food & litter tray. I'm not sure how "try before you buy" would work with kittens. They aren't so cute when they are freaked out by car travel.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:40
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BarbarianElephant posted:The kitten I got as a teenager scratched my dad and then disappeared with a flurry of fur under a chest of drawers for the next 2 days, only to be coaxed out with food & litter tray. I'm not sure how "try before you buy" would work with kittens. They aren't so cute when they are freaked out by car travel. cats don't take to cars or travel the way dogs do but they also don't just stay perpetually freaked out forever and ever if you move them around a lot. Cats have weird cat autism and hate new situations but if certain types of new situation are the norm for them they won't freak out every single time or anything.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:45
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:cats don't take to cars or travel the way dogs do but they also don't just stay perpetually freaked out forever and ever if you move them around a lot. Cats have weird cat autism and hate new situations but if certain types of new situation are the norm for them they won't freak out every single time or anything. Yea, I just moved my cat and while she was freaking out while being in the carrier, she calmed down after about 10 minutes, and then she hid under the couch at the new place for about an hour, then started exploring around and now she's happy as ever. They're cats, they can't remember poo poo forever. As long as you're not constantly stressing them out, they will chill. And hell, when I first got her, she came right out of her box and headbutted right into my hand, no nervous freaking out about being in a new environment or anything. 
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Oct 5, 2016 18:47
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:cats don't take to cars or travel the way dogs do but they also don't just stay perpetually freaked out forever and ever if you move them around a lot. Cats have weird cat autism and hate new situations but if certain types of new situation are the norm for them they won't freak out every single time or anything. I would actually be more concerned about baby cat's immune systems. When I've volunteered with rescues, we've tried to limit how many people touch the kittens. But I am not a vet.
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WrenP-Complete posted:I would actually be more concerned about baby cat's immune systems. When I've volunteered with rescues, we've tried to limit how many people touch the kittens. But I am not a vet. I think when people are talking about adopting kittens, they really mean young cats who have had all their shots, not baby cats who are still suckling at their mother and unvaccinated.
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The fall of unicorns: Goons care more about cat and kitten safety rather than about the crushing poverty of the gigconomy and the fart apps that power it.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:56
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BarbarianElephant posted:Most restaurants suck about this, especially small ones. I was put on a special non-dairy diet once for breastfeeding problems and it was lucky I wasn't actually allergic to dairy, because restaurants were completely incapable of comprehending that "no dairy" meant "no milk, no butter, no cheese." Some of them thought it meant "no eggs." Yeah but at least in New York where I lived at the time, so long as when you told a restaurant that you had allergies they said 'well some of our food has that, so it might be cross contaminated' they could basically get away with causing you to go to the hospital. Because they give you that warning, food safety laws basically protect them... Meanwhile I was explicitly told by a friend who worked in a kitchen as a dishwasher that while they play up the whole ',heres our gluten free knife, and our no fish knife, and etc' for inspectors, they basically use every knife for every kind of food, constantly, all night, and don't give a gently caress beyond maybe rinsing the knife off, even if they just had cut open shellfish and was then preparing food for someone with a shellfish allergy. Unlike these lovely places, I don't feel like I would be protected, and even if I was I would feel morally responsible if someone nearly died due to me regardless. So no one will subsize my cooking I suppose.
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fits my needs posted:The fall of unicorns: Goons care more about cat and kitten safety rather than about the crushing poverty of the gigconomy and the fart apps that power it. Well actually its about ethics in cat autism... 
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KittyEmpress posted:Yeah but at least in New York where I lived at the time, so long as when you told a restaurant that you had allergies they said 'well some of our food has that, so it might be cross contaminated' they could basically get away with causing you to go to the hospital. Because they give you that warning, food safety laws basically protect them... Meanwhile I was explicitly told by a friend who worked in a kitchen as a dishwasher that while they play up the whole ',heres our gluten free knife, and our no fish knife, and etc' for inspectors, they basically use every knife for every kind of food, constantly, all night, and don't give a gently caress beyond maybe rinsing the knife off, even if they just had cut open shellfish and was then preparing food for someone with a shellfish allergy. Fun fact: this is why people who keep kosher will insist that the fishmonger uses the board and knife that the customer brings *in front of them*, rather than taking it to the back. (In most major cities in the US, they know the drill.)
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KittyEmpress posted:Yeah but at least in New York where I lived at the time, so long as when you told a restaurant that you had allergies they said 'well some of our food has that, so it might be cross contaminated' they could basically get away with causing you to go to the hospital. Because they give you that warning, food safety laws basically protect them... Meanwhile I was explicitly told by a friend who worked in a kitchen as a dishwasher that while they play up the whole ',heres our gluten free knife, and our no fish knife, and etc' for inspectors, they basically use every knife for every kind of food, constantly, all night, and don't give a gently caress beyond maybe rinsing the knife off, even if they just had cut open shellfish and was then preparing food for someone with a shellfish allergy. this is just more evidence as to why new york city is poo poo because i've worked in restaurants for nine years around atlanta and everyone one of them took allergies and food safety very seriously. i've never worked in a kitchen where they would half rear end this and tell the customer to eat at their own peril because people can die. what the gently caress new york on the other side not really sure what a 'gluten free knife' is. you tend not to cut things with gluten except with like bread knives anyway that are pointless for cooking
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Subjunctive posted:The post I was replying to originally was literally saying that things change inherently when money changes hands: People think profit motive corrupts. We seem to agree that at large scale regulation is necessary. What you seem to be stuck on is small scale. The point I am trying to make is that the small scale economic actor is undifferentiated from the large scale actor, doubly so in terms of apps, so when people talk about money changing hands causing problems they are necessarily talking about the problems that exist at scale. Small groups of people acting out of charity (for example) don't a priori have the means to grow in scale so we don't see the problems of scale as necessarily transferring to small timers. To put it another way: in business the problems which result in regulation are an intensive property. Big or small, the profit motive is there. For charity there isn't a universal rational for action. Hence, no one cares if you give away you leftovers but they do if you try to sell them.
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If there was a way for one guy to design an app that let him sell his sandwiches to anyone that downloaded it, I wouldn't have as much problem with it. I still want that guy to comply with relevant licensing and food safety laws, but it doesn't present the same level of second-level hazards that a sharing economy app does regardless of whether money is changing hands. (Although if this app did exist I'd be very surprised if it wasn't a money laundering front. But I digress.) The problem is we aren't talking about that. We're talking about an app that's encouraging hundreds of small kitchens to start selling meals to thousands of end customers, with far less oversight and transparency than a traditional commercial kitchen would. It's not the money that causes the problems, it's the scale. And because of the generally lovely margins, there's no way this app would operate profitably except at scale. One off, inherently limited things like throwing a dinner party or making a sandwich for your girlfriend are not at all the same and thus aren't at all comparable. Scale changes things. It's not the same as an individual action, but more so. Most actions are qualitatively different at scale. They cause different problems. And that's why they're regulated differently, not (usually) something inherently corrupting about commercial activity and the profit margin.
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Boot and Rally posted:People think profit motive corrupts. It doesn't need to "corrupt" like a blizzard video game story. It's a different motivation with different goals. Success and failure are different for cooking my friend a pizza and selling a pizza.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It doesn't need to "corrupt" like a blizzard video game story. It's a different motivation with different goals. Success and failure are different for cooking my friend a pizza and selling a pizza.
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I think a lot of this is looking at the general case of "Maybe we shouldn't weaken/remove safety regulations in order to let techlords tell investor storytimes and get billions of dollars" rather than any specific case where regulations may need a genuine review or whatever.
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Nessus posted:I think a lot of this is looking at the general case of "Maybe we shouldn't weaken/remove safety regulations in order to let techlords tell investor storytimes and get billions of dollars" rather than any specific case where regulations may need a genuine review or whatever. It's more a fight between the techlords and the old guard big business. A fight between Uber and the yellow cab companies is not a fight between David and Goliath. Both sides are Goliath. The yellow cab companies don't get to win just because they got there first, despite Uber having a more convenient product. The competition forced the yellow cab companies to build an app; previously they couldn't care less. Consumers win. We don't have to stand on street corners waving desperately anymore, or phoning a cab company while praying that they would turn up in 45 minutes or so if they didn't get a better fare.
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making an app and being convenient isn't illegal though. taxi regulations do not state that taxis need to be inconvenient the illegal part is treating your employees like contractors and purposely ignoring local taxi regulations
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Avoiding health and safety regulations, labor laws and licencing requirements then doing the exact same stuff other companies do isn't innovative. Actually, do we have any apps yet that try and skirt around child labor laws yet? That seems like that would be a thing.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Avoiding health and safety regulations, labor laws and licencing requirements then doing the exact same stuff other companies do isn't innovative. One of the GOP candidates proposed one- I think it was called "Newtr"
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BarbarianElephant posted:It's more a fight between the techlords and the old guard big business. A fight between Uber and the yellow cab companies is not a fight between David and Goliath. Both sides are Goliath. The yellow cab companies don't get to win just because they got there first, despite Uber having a more convenient product. The competition forced the yellow cab companies to build an app; previously they couldn't care less. Consumers win. We don't have to stand on street corners waving desperately anymore, or phoning a cab company while praying that they would turn up in 45 minutes or so if they didn't get a better fare.
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BarbarianElephant posted:It's more a fight between the techlords and the old guard big business. The old guard business are operating within the regulatory frame work for a reason. Because 10-100 years ago, THEY were the ones engaging in lovely business practices like unsanitary food production*, running horrible flop houses and clogging the streets with cabs. The people complaining about techlords flouting regulations aren't complaining because they think that the old guard needs a blow job. They are complaining because we've been here before and we don't want to go back to the "good old days" of packaged meats containing rats and humans or taxi cabs clogging the streets of downtown leading to horrible congestion and finally a population collapse in cabs**. But, the problem with creating a business to operate within the regulatory framework is that the old guard has already established how to do that and you end up with high value add but low profitability things like simply making a phone app for the taxi companies and you can't get rich doing that. * Doesn't anyone read The Jungle anymore? ** When Uber says its business model doesn't work without being able to quickly on board new drivers, this population collapse is what they are trying to avoid.
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BarbarianElephant posted:It's more a fight between the techlords and the old guard big business. A fight between Uber and the yellow cab companies is not a fight between David and Goliath. Both sides are Goliath. The yellow cab companies don't get to win just because they got there first, despite Uber having a more convenient product. The competition forced the yellow cab companies to build an app; previously they couldn't care less. Consumers win. We don't have to stand on street corners waving desperately anymore, or phoning a cab company while praying that they would turn up in 45 minutes or so if they didn't get a better fare. No one here has a problem with embracing technology in general and smartphone capabilities specifically for convenience, but doing that while ignoring regulations and licenses that were generally put in place for a specific reason is a problem.
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hobbesmaster posted:This is actually illegal in aviation - you can't chip in for gas for your buddy's cessna unless he has a commercial pilot's license. This isn't quite true. For private pilots in the US you can accept money for transporting a friend around that does not exceed the cost that would be incurred flying them. This has to also be part of an actual joint effort, such as everyone flying to the same place on vacation. Soliciting fares in any way would require a commercial license as you mentioned.
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Theranos one step closer to death. https://news.theranos.com/2016/10/05/an-open-letter-elizabeth-holmes/ quote:For our stakeholders,
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