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Elias_Maluco posted:The walled kingdom is sheltered (well, was) from outside conflict by being completely isolated and sitting on a huge stockpile of weapons of mass destruction. And internally, society is kept united and under control by the idea that they are the last bastion of humanity surrounded by the horror of the titans There's really nothing utopian about that.
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Kassad posted:There's really nothing utopian about that. It is if your utopian ideal is an stable, 100% controlled society with no war or class/race/sectarian conflicts. Like the walled kingdom kinda was before the attack
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That's not true either though. Don't forget about the slavers from early on who kidnapped Eren and Mikasa + the wealthy businessmen being assholes during the wall breach.
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So wait... does this mean that Mikasa isn't the only Asian left in the world? 
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change my name posted:That's not true either though. Don't forget about the slavers from early on who kidnapped Eren and Mikasa + the wealthy businessmen being assholes during the wall breach. Yeah, ok: it wanst perfect, it was already failing by itself. But that it was the idea, a society without conflict or change That or I cant make sense of the king fleeing the continent to isolate the eldians in this crazy walled world with a completely rewritten version of history to make they believe they are the last humans Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Oct 10, 2016 16:09
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EvilTaytoMan posted:So wait... does this mean that Mikasa isn't the only Asian left in the world? She's probably part of the remnants of some ethnic group that was wiped out during the period of racial cleansing.
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Piriwi posted:The real mystery that was introduced that I definitely expect to be relevant at some point in the future is who is owl, the contact in the Marley government. Not much to go on at this point, although maybe Grishna will have something to say next chapter... I'm expecting that, rather than being a sympathizer, Owl is a method the Marley government uses to track and control Eldian dissidents.
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Oct 10, 2016 17:13
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Good ol Emmanuel Goldstein
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free basket of chips posted:Good ol Emmanuel Goldstein That's exactly what I was thinking of.
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Schwarzwald posted:I'm expecting that, rather than being a sympathizer, Owl is a method the Marley government uses to track and control Eldian dissidents. This is what I was thinking as well, just because that's how this manga constantly subverts its information. You thought it was this way, but we were manipulating you the entire time since that way you all gather in one area to wipe you out.
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Oct 10, 2016 19:49
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If that was the case, why they needed Zeke betrayal to catch the revolutionaries?
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Oct 10, 2016 20:04
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As a test of his loyalties to the state over his family. Gotta know that child soldier is fully brainwashed before you give him the monkey business.
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Squidster posted:As a test of his loyalties to the state over his family. Gotta know that child soldier is fully brainwashed before you give him the monkey business. Thank you for this.
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Squidster posted:As a test of his loyalties to the state over his family. Gotta know that child soldier is fully brainwashed before you give him the monkey business. Pretty much exactly this. If the kingdom of Marley controls seven of the nine titans, then they need a constant supply of controllable Eldians. They've probably gotten very good at brainwashing.
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Oct 10, 2016 22:59
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idk, from what Ive read last chapter, it seems like that was the first time they recruited eldians to fight for then, not at all like something they have been doing constantly
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Sub Harrison posted:Maybe the King decided he's fed up with constant war and told everyone, the Marleys and his clansmen, to go gently caress themselves and built his walls and crazy kingdom where noone has to fight eachother. This would make sense, since every member of the royal family who inherited the memories immediately got on board the peace train. If they got his memories of the horrible poo poo that was going on on the mainland, that would explain them all immediately supporting keeping the populace sealed away.
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Elias_Maluco posted:idk, from what Ive read last chapter, it seems like that was the first time they recruited eldians to fight for then, not at all like something they have been doing constantly
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Elias_Maluco posted:idk, from what Ive read last chapter, it seems like that was the first time they recruited eldians to fight for then, not at all like something they have been doing constantly It seems like the first time they have recruited Eldians from the ghetto publically, but given that the Marley government somehow controls seven of the nine titans, they must have used Eldian's before. Here are some wild, unsubstantiated, guesses as to how that may have worked:
The government's effort to recruit children directly from the ghettos is likely something unique to their planned assault on Paradise Island. For whatever reason they need all their shifters to be of a certain age, and their previous approaches couldn't meet that quota.
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I think they want children because shifter power makes you age incredibly fast. Zeke looks like he's in his 40s but based on this flashback (assuming the wall world and outside world say the walls appeared the same many years ago) if the King dissapeared 80 years before Zeke's birth, and the fall of Maria was 100 years, Zeke has to be in his 20s. It's hard to tell though if the dates don't match since by contrast a mindless titan doesn't age at all, so Grisha could have been wandering for a couple decades before coming to Shiganshina.
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Reiner, Bert and Annie seemingly aged at the same rate as the rest of the kids. May just be stress/art.
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Oct 11, 2016 05:36
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Maybe Zeke grew a bunch of hair from taking the monkey serum and he's actually only like 18.
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Just now caught up after about a year of being behind and man. I really wish I waited a week or two because pretty much every single question I had about the series up to this point has been answered, but almost all of them have been replaced by new stuff, and waiting to see what even will begin to happen is the worst.
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Elias_Maluco posted:idk, from what Ive read last chapter, it seems like that was the first time they recruited eldians to fight for then, not at all like something they have been doing constantly It's possible that they were using the power of the titans for something other than shifters. Who knows what that might be though.
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If people get shipped to the walled city how the hell are people not noticing all these immigrants showing up.
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They're shipped as titans.
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Maybe it's some underground railroad poo poo They have talked about what it's like beneath the walls and all that
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RatHat posted:Maybe Zeke grew a bunch of hair from taking the monkey serum and he's actually only like 18. Zeke was let's say 7 when he sold out his dad. Since then Grisha found his way inside the walls, did a bunch of stuff we know but I forgot, and settled down with his new wife and son. Zeke is at least 8 years older than Eren, and I'd give him another ten just for good measure. That puts Zeke somewhere in his 30s, exactly right for anime old man.
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Grisha probably did something to wipe out all the shifters in Zeke's generation except him cus y'know its his son.
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Thoren posted:If people get shipped to the walled city how the hell are people not noticing all these immigrants showing up. I'll repost this picture now that most people have read the chapter: 
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Eiba posted:This is honestly a kind of strange discrepancy. Everyone seems to known and accept that Marley has been "using" the power of the titans, but recruiting Eldians seems like a new and strange thing that they need to specifically justify. At this point it doesn't add up. If they had secretly been using Eldians in the past... they could just keep doing that. Yeah, we dont know that yet. To me it seems Marley was using the power of titans somewhat like a power source (or a materias source or something like that), some use that helped then advance, but they didnt used the titans directly. How come, I have no idea. But they need to have some control over the titans powers anyway since they are turning people into mindless ones, which is a titan power
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While it would make sense that Zeke would want to chomp down Eren for the coordinate power, it's a pretty stupid plan, possibly unbeknownst to him, since his mother was royalty and thus he'll likely get taken over by the original king's memories like everyone else with royal blood.
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I'm not so sure Zeke has the true royal blood. Fritz was also the name of the fake King, when it turned out the Reiss family control the Progenitor titan. Maybe the Fritz family are the owners of the mysterious 2nd titan that came in to the walls? Also, didn't the vial saying "armor" from Reiss' bag have Reiner's family name on it? How does that fit in? When they chose the kids to become shifters, were they also checking their bloodline to make sure they could inherit the titan's full power? Sub Harrison fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Maybe Grisha is an unreliable narrator, being a radicalized terrorist and all, and this entire chapter was a massive pile of mcguffins.
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Do you mean red herrings?
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Sub Harrison posted:I'm not so sure Zeke has the true royal blood. I think the Breach/Utgard arc is pretty good evidence that he's a descendant of the first king. He has the ability to control mindless titans and I think it's heavily implied he turned Connie's village into titans through some alternative method like his voice or something, or at least I really can't imagine him sauntering from house to house to inject them with serum and them just staying indoors with all the chaos that would be going on, they would have to all turn at once. Those abilities sound like a milder version of the coordinate so I believe there's a connection there. Maybe the Reiss took the duty from the Fritz at some point but kept them installed as the figurehead so as not to shake things up too much.
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yellowyams posted:I think the Breach/Utgard arc is pretty good evidence that he's a descendant of the first king. He has the ability to control mindless titans and I think it's heavily implied he turned Connie's village into titans through some alternative method like his voice or something, or at least I really can't imagine him sauntering from house to house to inject them with serum and them just staying indoors with all the chaos that would be going on, they would have to all turn at once. Those abilities sound like a milder version of the coordinate so I believe there's a connection there. Maybe the Reiss took the duty from the Fritz at some point but kept them installed as the figurehead so as not to shake things up too much. If Zeke could simply do those things by virtue of having royal blood then his mother wouldn't have needed help from some dissidents in the slum and the Eldian's wouldn't be living in a ghetto. Edit: I'm not arguing that Zeke didn't turn those people into titans or that he can't exert control over them, but that's almost certainly a power the Marley government provided for him. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Maybe the Reiss family has always been the true holders of the original titan power, Fritz has always been a figurehead, and the Marely just don't know about it.
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I am thinking that maybe the Reiss were just one of the titan clans, but stole the power of the original titan from the last king during the civil war, and then enslaved him through mind control The Reiss were probably the one behind moving to Paradis and building the walls, and not the real royal family
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