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Crazy Achmed posted:I honestly have no idea about what quinte/5 is in foil now - I've just googled it and ended up even more confused than before. There seem to be a bunch of arguments over whether it's a high or lowline parry, and even if it's tip up or tip down. Can anyone enlighten me? My coach has demonstrated it as about a mid-point between 6 and a saber 5 -- covering the weapon shoulder instead of the head -- but he doesn't actively teach it. I've used it as shoulder flick defense in certain situations; either as a second-intention (say, going for a counter-riposte while still in the lunge), or if somebody is really telegraphing the flick in the march. A good flick is going to get past it pretty easy, though, and if you go there too soon it's easy for them to change the line.
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Foil tournament looked fun. Except when a lady caught a thrust in the knee and the blade broke, that didn't. But she only got a bruise and won so it was good. Didn't expect to see an electric French grip. Siivola fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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I think this pretty clearly demonstrates why 5 is kind of useless, though. Every other parry has a clearly defined purpose and therefore form. 5 just kind of...is there, and covers... possibly a version of 7 with a shittier option to riposte? Maybe its closest actual use is that weird, irritating hunched parry bad, short, beginner lefties use to make everything hit off target? Who knows! I've seen sabre 5 taught as foil 9, by the way.
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HEY GAL posted:why are you fencing w/modern weapons anyway, smh Yeah if you can't pommel strike a guy in the face you just have to ask yourself, are you really sword fighting?
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Re-discovered some pictures I took a few years ago. I started fencing back when in my dad's circa-1970s gear, and took some comparisons with my modern stuff. Good old vinyl mask lining.  
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Such a tiny bib! Anyone go to Detroit this weekend? I didn't work it and am curious how the rule changes were being interpreted, especially the last minute sabre change.
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BirdOfPlay posted:Such a tiny bib! Quoting one of our coaches quote:The refs from what I can see are playing it safe and not calling too tight attack/counterattack or mail-parry. They are calling hand mistakes and short riposte pretty tight.
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Oct 11, 2016 03:24
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Wait, what last minute sabre rule change?
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Oct 12, 2016 03:43
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Instead of back foot on the en guard line, they made a new line for saber that's like a meter or something closer.
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Oct 12, 2016 03:49
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Guy Windsor wrote a blog post about swordfighting in Game of Thrones: http://guywindsor.net/blog/2016/10/a-swordsmans-thoughts-on-some-game-of-thrones-fights/
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dupersaurus posted:Instead of back foot on the en guard line, they made a new line for saber that's like a meter or something closer. Is this a joke?
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Neon Belly posted:Is this a joke? Nope quote:In accordance with the FIE, markings will be placed on all strips for national events beginning at the October North American Cup (Oct. 7-10 in Detroit) and will be 3 meters apart (1.5 meters on either side of the center line). Per the FIE clarification, fencers will be 3m apart and will not be required to have the back foot in front of the original on guard line. All sanctioned USA Fencing tournaments will be required to mark strips used for saber beginning on Nov. 1. So it's half a meter closer on each side.
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dupersaurus posted:Nope Ahahaha, it's because of t.17 (setting distance via point in line) that they're doing the change? I thought it was because of early testing showing that it was messy or something. It's been 8 months since the FIE congress that adopted this rule, and, now, some rules lawyer whipped out the rulebook and said this new rule conflicts. This is ridiculous. I may have to stencil those faces onto my main cards. Yes, I have more than one set of cards. Don't judge me. 
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Last day of the beginners' course tonight, we finished with a quick 8-person tournament between us beginners. I won.  Guess I found the next hole to pour money in. Good timing too, I was just about to finish collecting my HEMA kit.  Edit: Oh yeah we also went for beers and who knew, Finnish people drink a lot. Siivola fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Oct 21, 2016 01:21
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UGH I had to fence epee tonight. And it was fun 
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Is it worth getting a fencing mask where all the cloth bits are detachable for washing? It seems like it would be but they don't seem that common.
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http://youtu.be/6lV5fQEHqXY My teacher Tristan put out his Albion swords review, focusing mostly on cutting mechanics. It even features my Alexandria!
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DuckConference posted:Is it worth getting a fencing mask where all the cloth bits are detachable for washing? It seems like it would be but they don't seem that common.
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Speaking of epee, here's one of my beginner students: https://youtu.be/ABTteZYFXeE Guy has great reflexes, a quick brain, but a complete lack of self-esteem! He focuses a lot better under pressure, though!
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Future Days posted:Speaking of epee, here's one of my beginner students: https://youtu.be/ABTteZYFXeE 
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Ravenfood posted:Lunges over his front foot a lot too. I miss having a coach. That's a thing I've been trying to fix since day 1. Kid's too self-conscious for his own good. He's always looking at his feet during drills, which causes lunges to go down instead of forward. I'll try to upload more vids if you guys want to!
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Kid sounds like he needs to chill and relax a bit during training, but this will surely come with a bit more experience... Also I don't think I've ever seen anyone, regardless of goon-grease factor, who wouldn't benefit from a washable mask. poo poo builds up over time and, well, I'm in the southern hemisphere and summer is coming. Leon Paul makes those, right? If you get one, make sure to check that it's got a second fastening strap - didn't they do a run a while back that had only one strap, which made them technically illegal for pretty much all higher level tournaments that care about gear standards?
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Chill & relax is actually half of the training! Fencers are an odd bunch, so psychological training is as important as physical and technical training. I sent this kid to a national yesterday. His objective was winning at least one pool bout. He made it to the DE's, losing in the first bout 15-12. It was a close one, but his nerves got the best of him! Good thing is he was really pleased with his performance, so I guess things will be a bit easier for me from now on!
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Crazy Achmed posted:Kid sounds like he needs to chill and relax a bit during training, but this will surely come with a bit more experience... Speaking of buying washable things, lames. Washable ones seem to be twice the price of entry-level ones and that's getting a bit steep. Should I just get a starter kit with the cheapest lame and two foils, or invest in a better lame but only one foil?
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I think just about all manufacturers have removable padding masks somewhere in their line at this point, if the xchange price scares you off; Absolute Fencing's doesn't even break $100. With LP you're paying for the bib swapping and their cooling tech (but it is by far the best mask I've ever tried). otoh, I don't think I'd explicitly spend for a washable lame. At least, spend that $$$ on a lame for the other benefits of a quality lame. All you really need to do to wash a lame is give it a bath with some woolite occasionally. A foil lame, at least, isn't taking the same gross damage as your base gear is.
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Nice thing about the swapping masks is being able to use the same mask for foil and epee without having to worry about the lame bit of the bib.
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But the bad thing about them is that international shipping costs as much as the bib. 
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Crazy Achmed posted:If you get one, make sure to check that it's got a second fastening strap - didn't they do a run a while back that had only one strap, which made them technically illegal for pretty much all higher level tournaments that care about gear standards? Uhh, kinda. Their Contour-fit system was, originally, ruled to be fine at preventing the mask from pooping off. But about two years ago there were a few incidents that caused concern, this prompted the requirement of a secondary strap for these masks. The strap is affixed around the ends of the jawbones and are actually fairly loose. Still, they prevent the mask from going up and off the fencer's head, which is all that loving matters. Oddly enough, it wasn't something US refs were required to check for.  This is, of course, entirely different from the horizontal strap requirement put in place because of Blue Gauntlet's (and maybe other's) cross-strap system... Siivola posted:Speaking of buying washable things, lames. Washable ones seem to be twice the price of entry-level ones and that's getting a bit steep. Should I just get a starter kit with the cheapest lame and two foils, or invest in a better lame but only one foil? The big thing, as Duper hints at, is if you will properly take care of your lame. This means not only keeping it separate from your nasty, sweaty kit but occasionally washing it to get the salt off of it. If you're going to be serious about the sport and do it regularly, shelling out the extra bit for the "non-metallic" lames can be worth it. I say this because my first sabre lame only lasted a year or two, which means that, yes, the extra 20 bucks is worth it if it lasts over 5 years. Ravenfood posted:Nice thing about the swapping masks is being able to use the same mask for foil and epee without having to worry about the lame bit of the bib. I'm pretty sure that Leon Paul is still the only approved manufacturer of those kinds of masks. They make good masks, but it's a bit of an investment for a new to (sport) fencing fencer.
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After a decade or so of bumbling around small towns I've finally moved to a big city where I can do nerd poo poo. I've always been interested in fencing, but at 35 I'm wondering if I'm too old to start. How demanding is the sport, reflex-wise? Half of the time I can't decide who hit whom in a match, but maybe the Olympics finals are not a good sample
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I don't have a clue how quick you are, just go and give it a try. It's more about your pattern recognition skills than actual physical twitch response anyway. I mean, at 35 you're probably not going to make any international competitions, but the same goes for basically any sport. Also thanks for the lame tips guys. I think I'll settle for the cheapo one for now, since it's about 30-40 Euros cheaper than the inox ones.
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Siivola posted:It's more about your pattern recognition skills than actual physical twitch response anyway. Thanks, this is what I wanted to know. I'll contact a few clubs and see if they have introductory classes for adults. Worst case scenario it doesn't work and I go back to being lazy.
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Fat Samurai posted:After a decade or so of bumbling around small towns I've finally moved to a big city where I can do nerd poo poo. I've always been interested in fencing, but at 35 I'm wondering if I'm too old to start. How demanding is the sport, reflex-wise? Half of the time I can't decide who hit whom in a match, but maybe the Olympics finals are not a good sample Absolutely not too old to start. I didn't pick up fencing until my mid-late 20's and I was over 30 before I stopped farting around and actually started fencing competitively. And there are folks, very talented and good fencers, at my club who picked up the sport as grandparents. You won't have the same training journey as a youngster, but as long as you're having fun you're doing it right.
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Fat Samurai posted:After a decade or so of bumbling around small towns I've finally moved to a big city where I can do nerd poo poo. I've always been interested in fencing, but at 35 I'm wondering if I'm too old to start. How demanding is the sport, reflex-wise? Half of the time I can't decide who hit whom in a match, but maybe the Olympics finals are not a good sample The veteran competition divisions start at 40 so you've got a good five years to train. From what I hear, vet fencing is fantastic.
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I've taken a break from fencing to work on my house for the past year or so, but I'm definitely looking forward to getting back into it with vet fencer status coming up in a few years. My rating will degrade in that time, but working to win it back just gives me something to shoot for.
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Got to fence the seniors at the club today. This is fun as poo poo, but gosh dang I'm already done fencing with a zombie lamé, and the grips on the loaner foils don't click with me either. help
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I have my first class tomorrow! It's a small Pentathlon club, so no idea how many new guys will be there, but it's a 5 minutes walk from home. I have another class scheduled with another club next week, in case this one doesn't work out. Any warning signals I should be looking for? Buying equipment exclusively through the club, only year long subscriptions, etc...
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El Spamo posted:as long as you're having fun you're doing it right.
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Fat Samurai posted:I have my first class tomorrow! It's a small Pentathlon club, so no idea how many new guys will be there, but it's a 5 minutes walk from home. I have another class scheduled with another club next week, in case this one doesn't work out. Cool! Is your goal to do the modern pentathlon or just fence? If it's just fence, you will be better suited with a regular fencing club. Not just because that's what you want to do, but because fencing in the Pentathlon is one-hit epee which has some quirks when compared to sport fencing. Based on my experience with sport fencing, a good determinant is if the club is recognized by or a member of the national governing body (NGB), for example the NGB in the US is USA Pentathlon. So if the club is not a member of your country's NGB, that can be a red flag. If you're not in the US, you can look here on the website for the UIPM, the international governing body for the modern pentathlon, to find your NGB. About buying equipment from the club, you're right about the exclusively part, but don't the the existence of a club store fool you. At least in fencing, some clubs do become dealers for equipment manufacturers as a convenience to their members.
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