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greatn posted:Level 5 is a fantastic developer. I'm glad Nintendo uses them for so much work they might as well be second party. I really wonder why Nintendo has never bought even a piece of them. Nintendo didn't buy them because they don't like buying studios as a general rule and because the heads at Next Level privately and publicly stated that they'll work exclusively on Nintendo games for as long as Nintendo wants them to, so they probably don't feel the need to buy them out. edit: Next Level, that is PaletteSwappedNinja fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Oct 8, 2016 |
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I once worked for a "second party" Nintendo studio. It was great... Until the relationship abruptly ended and they didn't want our half finished game anymore.
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Akuma posted:I once worked for a "second party" Nintendo studio. It was great... Until the relationship abruptly ended and they didn't want our half finished game anymore. Was it Rare and did Nintendo say "no way we want a game called Grabbed by the Ghoulies on our platform"
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:Changing subjects, are there are any great bar/arcades to visit in San Fran? Off-topic I know but I only ask here because I know several of you either live in, work in or frequently visit San Francisco. My wife and I are taking a west coast vacation and will be in downtown SF for a couple days next week and I was curious. If you're into pinball, Gestalt Haus and Elbo Room are two bars in the Mission that have a rotating selection of 5 or 6 good, well-maintained machines. There's also Free Gold Watch in the Haight, and the Pacific Pinball Museum on Alameda. I've heard good things about Brewcade, but I've never been personally. EDIT: Later that day I went to Brewcade and it's fine. They have Killer Queens. zapjackson fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Oct 9, 2016 22:39
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The latest Abject Suffering is pretty good.
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it's hecked up how careful gary was to not offend any fetishists this episode given his vehement opposition to having a horny time with videogames why can't a man gently caress his videogames, butterfield
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Oct 12, 2016 17:45
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These games are read only.
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HMS Boromir posted:it's hecked up how careful gary was to not offend any fetishists this episode given his vehement opposition to having a horny time with videogames I think I said why I think it's lame? When it's added to more conventional games, it's cheap and gratuitous, the way it gameifies relationships (reducing them to silly meters you fill) and when the idea is just to be pornography, fans very rarely frame it that way. It's frustrated that it's always positioned as a fight for free speech rather than just "Hey, I wanted to crank it to that Atlus game cover!"
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Oh. I thought you were disapproivng of people cranking their hog to videogames in a general sense, rather than of the poor taste/quality of sex stuff in videogames. I'll chalk it up to my poor memory. Either way I was just crankin' your hog, I'm not actually putting you on blast for anything.
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HMS Boromir posted:Oh. I thought you were disapproivng of people cranking their hog to videogames in a general sense, rather than of the poor taste/quality of sex stuff in videogames. I'll chalk it up to my poor memory. Either way I was just crankin' your hog, I'm not actually putting you on blast for anything. Crank away! You'd be forgiven for thinking that. I had to do some introspection to figure out what I didn't like about it.
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Woffle posted:It's frustrated that it's always positioned as a fight for free speech rather than just "Hey, I wanted to crank it to that Atlus game cover!" "What do you mean publishers are self-moderating to comply with the guidelines of a voluntary industry organisation? That's unthinkable! You're practically Nazis!"
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FractalSandwich posted:I would also have more sympathy for that angle if it wasn't mostly coming from Americans who have no perspective and don't understand what freedom of expression actually means. look man you have the right to edit your own work and intellectual property up to the point where you're making womens' skirts longer; at that point, it becomes a matter of civic interest Woffle posted:it's cheap and gratuitous videogames
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Know your audience, though. The editing in something like Tokyo Mirage Sessions is gratuitous to the point of being bad in a 4kids-editing-a-sushi-roll-into-subway-sandwich kind of way. It rarely happens anymore because Atlus and Xseed and NIS know who they're selling to and I applaud Atlus for releasing a special sanitized "Wal-Mart edition" of Catherine which is just a slipcover cropped image of her face instead of pushing the easy button and rolling it out for every version.
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al-azad posted:Know your audience, though. The editing in something like Tokyo Mirage Sessions is gratuitous to the point of being bad in a 4kids-editing-a-sushi-roll-into-subway-sandwich kind of way. It rarely happens anymore because Atlus and Xseed and NIS know who they're selling to and I applaud Atlus for releasing a special sanitized "Wal-Mart edition" of Catherine which is just a slipcover cropped image of her face instead of pushing the easy button and rolling it out for every version. I don't know anything about that game or the changes they made, though. All I know is that I saw a trailer for it when it was still called Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem and it already looked really bad.
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Next time someone calls that sort of thing "censorship", you can start correcting them by showing them this. It won't help - it'll probably make things worse - but you'll at least feel suitably righteous.
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FractalSandwich posted:In the abstract, if they're (maybe unwisely) looking for it to be a mainstream success, the theory is that most people won't know or care that they changed anything. So if that's the case they do know their audience. It's too weird to ever be a mainstream success and it's not even dubbed, so there goes your mainstream audience up front, and the changes alienate the hardcore audience that are actually interested in it so everyone loses in the end. I 100% agree changing things to fit the rating, you're not going to put swastikas in a game sold in Germany, but in #FE's case they actually re-voiced the original Japanese dialog to match the changed content. It doesn't impact the core of the product but is completely distracting to the people that care in the same way the shotguns in ET were turned into walkie talkies or Han shooting first. But I'm totally on boat with calling it "censorship" being incredibly frustrating especially when countries worldwide enforce actual censorship on their media. They're not barring you from buying the original if you don't like a teenage girl's itty bitty bikini changed into Samus' skintight body suit. al-azad fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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Oct 14, 2016 04:39
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The tye dye outfit is better and fits more appropiately on the situation than a bikini
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Tae posted:The tye dye outfit is better and fits more appropiately on the situation than a bikini Only because they changed the dialog entirely although somebody on the localization team was having fun because it pokes fun at the original scene so again, if you care about the game you know what's happening. Ironically the costume is still in the game as a special move so it's not even like they changed it because it was too risque.
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al-azad posted:It's too weird to ever be a mainstream success and it's not even dubbed, so there goes your mainstream audience up front, and the changes alienate the hardcore audience that are actually interested in it so everyone loses in the end. I 100% agree changing things to fit the rating, you're not going to put swastikas in a game sold in Germany, but in #FE's case they actually re-voiced the original Japanese dialog to match the changed content. It doesn't impact the core of the product but is completely distracting to the people that care in the same way the shotguns in ET were turned into walkie talkies or Han shooting first. Pretty cool that they put in the resources to properly replace things instead of just cutting around them, though. You don't see that very often. FractalSandwich fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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fire emblem is a nintendo property and nintendo's got an interest in keeping up the 'family friendly' rep they've cultivated, it's absolutely in line with them knowing their audience #fe wasn't even the first or last time in the past decade NoA has toned down a mildly risque thing in a fire emblem game, they're just hedging their bets in case a clueless parent buys their child a game without looking at the label beyond 'nintendo' and little timmy sees some vagina bones
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Brother Entropy posted:fire emblem is a nintendo property and nintendo's got an interest in keeping up the 'family friendly' rep they've cultivated, it's absolutely in line with them knowing their audience Not to mention people outside the core audience who are reluctant to pick up something full of anime titties for numerous reasons. The assumption that it's doing more damage than it's preventing is suspect, I think. Yes, that hardcore audience might be bothered by the verisimilitude (giving them extreme benefit of the doubt) but I'm bothered by buying a game with tids dropping all over the covermeat.
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Fire Emblem is still a T rated game and Nintendo was proud to publish Bayonetta 2. I wish I was a fly on the wall when the decisions were made for this game. I think at some point they got cold feet because you wouldn't know it had anything to do with Fire Emblem if it wasn't for the sole mention crammed in the last bullet point on the back of the box. Unless of course you were either A) a Fire Emblem fan or B) an SMT fan in which case you know what you're looking for and the latter has  seen worse.Woffle posted:Not to mention people outside the core audience who are reluctant to pick up something full of anime titties for numerous reasons. The assumption that it's doing more damage than it's preventing is suspect, I think. Yes, that hardcore audience might be bothered by the verisimilitude (giving them extreme benefit of the doubt) but I'm bothered by buying a game with tids dropping all over the covermeat. It's still full of anime titties and weird cultural stuff a mainstream audience would find distasteful. The argument that this was ever supposed to appeal to anyone outside of people in the know is more suspect to me and trying so hard to make it mainstream is just shortsighted. It's not as bad as it used to be. Check out the PS1 Persona or Warriors of the Wind if you want to see some shortsighted poo poo. al-azad fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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yeah i kinda wanted to mention something about the average american gamer maybe being more squeamish when it comes to sex stuff than the average japanese gamer being another factor but i had trouble phrasing it without sounding either like 'oh glorious nippon' or 'drat perverted japanese' either way as someone in the hardcore audience for both fe and smt i'm in it for the ball-breaking difficulty, not the ball-pleasing anime babes so idgaf what titties i'm missing out on 
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On a positive note relevant to what I'm playing I want to give a shout out to Level 5 who both knows their audience and do a bang up localization. Yo-Kai Watch is a good example of a game that embraces its setting and doesn't shy away from weirdness even though it's clearly for all ages.
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i played the demo for that the other day and i got a good laugh at seeing an absurdly japanese smalltown given a name like 'sunnydale' or something super american like that, gave me some major phoenix wright vibes game looks cute though, shame the combat doesn't interest me
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Yeah, Level 5 really stinks at combat. Their shtick has always been stacking a lot of subsystems on top of each other and YW2 gets really absurd with how many multiplayer, streetpass, daily challenge, and grinding features they throw at you. It's basically open world Pokemon. It's easy to play casually and get lost in but no one thing is excellent, just okay.
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It's also worth remembering that hardcore gaming audiences will always, always find something to piss on about endlessly.
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The latest idlethumbs shows up in my list on itunes but I can't download it.
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Jippa posted:The latest idlethumbs shows up in my list on itunes but I can't download it. Is this still happening? Heard from someone on twitter that they got an error but it went away after a minute and the download worked...
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ja2ke posted:Is this still happening? Heard from someone on twitter that they got an error but it went away after a minute and the download worked... I just re tried and it worked, thanks. There is some thing weird with it though. If I right click on it in my list and go "show in itunes store" it's not listed.
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al-azad posted:
Not sure I agree. There are plenty of people who might pick up something like a Fire Emblem or SMT game based on good press, word of mouth, etc. They're never going to sell truly gangbusters, but I'm sure I'm not unique as a casual fan who might pick one up from time to time, but who is turned off by the gross marketing. It's not so much about trying to hit the center of the bell curve as much as not trying to repel it. I'm really curious how much these changes actually hurt sales by alienating the hardcore audience anyway. I imagine the number of people who will actually abstain from buying their favorite game series just because the cover doesn't have tiddies on it anymore is pretty small. I think the stink people throw up is a subset of a subset.
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Woffle posted:I'm really curious how much these changes actually hurt sales by alienating the hardcore audience anyway. I imagine the number of people who will actually abstain from buying their favorite game series just because the cover doesn't have tiddies on it anymore is pretty small. I think the stink people throw up is a subset of a subset. 
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1,500 seems about right. Tiny number of babbies.
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I've always thought this was weird "boycotting" individual products. What is the difference between that and just not buying it? If a load of people cancelled their say WOW subscription or stopped buying say a brand of milk that they bought regularly that would probably make a difference. The company could see a drop at a specific time. How would a company know for instance that all the people angry at the ghostbusters remake would have gone to see it if it was x/y/z.
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Jippa posted:I've always thought this was weird "boycotting" individual products. What is the difference between that and just not buying it?
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Woffle posted:Not sure I agree. There are plenty of people who might pick up something like a Fire Emblem or SMT game based on good press, word of mouth, etc. They're never going to sell truly gangbusters, but I'm sure I'm not unique as a casual fan who might pick one up from time to time, but who is turned off by the gross marketing. It's not so much about trying to hit the center of the bell curve as much as not trying to repel it. In a cynical way it's free advertising because literally every gaming website is going to post about people being mad XYZ thing was removed overseas. Then that awful Censored Gaming youtube channel that abuses tags will show up in your feed right next to Canadian Fire Ants Man. I won't argue it hurts sales and gaming boycotts are always for dumb reason. I just think it's disingenuous and distracting to your audience. I'm speaking very specifically about #FE here because it's such a unique situation outside of Fire Emblem, which is generic fantasy with an arguably wide appeal, and SMT which is clearly a mature series. I just can't imagine someone who is on board with the concept "teenagers run a talent agency in fantasy Tokyo" but run away at the sight of cartoons in swimsuits. It's not even on the physical box, it's deep in the game itself. I don't know whom these decisions were made for??
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The same people that get mad that fatal frame replaced a lingerie outfit with a samus outfit
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al-azad posted:I won't argue it hurts sales and gaming boycotts are always for dumb reason. I just think it's disingenuous and distracting to your audience. I'm speaking very specifically about #FE here because it's such a unique situation outside of Fire Emblem, which is generic fantasy with an arguably wide appeal, and SMT which is clearly a mature series. I just can't imagine someone who is on board with the concept "teenagers run a talent agency in fantasy Tokyo" but run away at the sight of cartoons in swimsuits. It's not even on the physical box, it's deep in the game itself. I don't know whom these decisions were made for?? Right, wrong, or whatever, there is a shame element of walking up to a counter and saying, "One anime tid game, please," while sliding over a copy of a game with panties on the cover. That's not really a factor for me, but it's one reason I can think of for the disparity. Even just glancing at the shelf, stuff that's on the cover presents an image. It's an association that is probably worth shaking.
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I definitely agree with the argument of presenting a more positive image. You're a comic book guy, you know how gross it can be going into some stores with jiggling cutouts leering over you and Avatar Press exploitative covers. I'm all about creating a welcoming environment for everyone where you can get your Mario and Boob Ninjas without stepping on each others toes. My frustration isn't about outward presentation but solely content, and really it's just with Nintendo who is going through some growing pains as their market shifts dramatically. The actual box itself could be white text on black background for all I care and in the next 10 years it's largely going to be digital anyway.
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al-azad posted:It's not even on the physical box, it's deep in the game itself. I don't know whom these decisions were made for?? I think this part matters, bc Gary is talking about marketing and I don't know what the gently caress he's even talking about other than Catherine, which is obviously a game *about* sex and relationships written for and aimed at an adult - and not 18 year old college freshman adult, either - audience. Either way, I think there's a middle-ground here. I'm not sure what non-porno games have a problem with anime panties on the cover, but I guess it happens. Publishers and developers are also totally within their rights to censor stupid cheesecake stuff if they think it would hurt the game's image or if cutting it actually makes the game better. OTOH part of being an adult is liking the things you like and not living in a state of perpetual nailbiting shame about the possibility that a Wal-Mart store clerk will know you play Pokemon or that your neighbor will see you kissing a dude or whatever. The game industry could be a little less tacky and cheap in general (a problem that extends far beyond anything to do with the presentation of sex), but it's also okay to admit to yourself and others that you like trash sometimes, partly bc it's good for people to be honest and partly bc however weird or alienating you think you are to store clerks you aren't even the weirdest person they've seen that afternoon.
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