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XK
Jul 9, 2001

Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

EightAce posted:

However you have the beautiful and fiesty commanding officer to help you out , as you unravel the betrayal..

What a terrible ambush. Thank God Sandi is here to save the day. What would we do without her?

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AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/a_tasty_avocado/status/786937522446303232

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

getsome posted:

Lucrative in the context of streaming, I don't mean obbjectively lucrative where money is concerned, I mean subscribers, attention and luv.

Maybe they get kickbacks or free ships or views from CIG but I don't reckon CIG is tossing them a salary they can live off. Maybe you're right though, I got no clue either way.

What're you talking about. You think wtf is enjoying himself, you obviously haven't seen his show, that man either hates himself something fierce, or he's getting paid (and hates himself something fierce).

I know SC fans are sad, but would idiots like INN force themselves to do literal hours of non-content every week without pay? Well, maybe, but I think it's slightly more likely they get paid.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

What're you talking about. You think wtf is enjoying himself, you obviously haven't seen his show, that man either hates himself something fierce, or he's getting paid (and hates himself something fierce).

I know SC fans are sad, but would idiots like INN force themselves to do literal hours of non-content every week without pay? Well, maybe, but I think it's slightly more likely they get paid.

I think IIN totally saw this as their opportunity to get in on the ground floor and have it become a viable career, they must feel pretty pissed off at how poo poo it's all turned out, while they cling to that dream

Oleyo
Mar 28, 2016

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

Wow the fans are getting shafted even harder than usual...


Maybe CIG is really a hyper advanced market research think tank. They are trying to find the precise breaking point of the whale demo. $125m will seem a pittance next to the value of the information that is derived from these studies.

Oleyo
Mar 28, 2016

So, we've talked a lot over the ...... time.... of the months... about sataball...

(Don't say years, Don't say years, Don't say years, Don't say years, )
...time...
(good save, brain)

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

peter gabriel posted:

I think IIN totally saw this as their opportunity to get in on the ground floor and have it become a viable career, they must feel pretty pissed off at how poo poo it's all turned out, while they cling to that dream

They got their looks and youth at least!

:smith:

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014


I don't think I read this the way I was supposed to read this but I'm pretty sure my way is correct.

marumaru
May 20, 2013




Will people never learn?

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Even better, they have literal 19th century racist caricature posters about Chinamen Xi'an scum raping are white women!



Holy living gently caress what's wrong with these people?

XK
Jul 9, 2001

Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

getsome posted:

Lucrative in the context of streaming, I don't mean obbjectively lucrative where money is concerned, I mean subscribers, attention and luv.

Maybe they get kickbacks or free ships or views from CIG but I don't reckon CIG is tossing them a salary they can live off. Maybe you're right though, I got no clue either way.

Just posting to calibrate everyone's idea of what people make from streaming or posting videos on Youtube. It's rare to get one of the more popular persons on record about how much they actually make, and I'm talking about the Youtube people who get a million+ views per video. But they do make vague references about it here and there. Everything I've gathered from them indicates you get about $1 per thousand views on a monetized video of moderate length. I've heard references to as high as ~$1.30, and as low as $0.40 per thousand views.

There are all kinds of complicating factors, such as if you have an above average number of viewers who adblock, how long the video is, how much time each individual viewer actually watches. Then Patreon, and Twitch subscriptions would be a little more income on top of that.

Even the more popular Star Citizen streamers and Youtubers only just get into the triple digits. They'd be getting enough money to buy a lunch off the dollar menu. Any person who appears to be making SC media content like their income depends on it, is either a total fanatic, or getting paid. The photo from a couple days ago of that Wolf Larsen (internet marketing guy known to be contracting with CIG), hanging out with all the INN crew, is evidence of this.

I don't know how the FTC hasn't hit any of these people for undisclosed sponsorships yet.

Oleyo
Mar 28, 2016

Raskolnikov posted:

I wish Civ6 was out now. :negative:

Available: October 21
This game will unlock in approximately 7 days

Painful to wait. Love the Sean Bean narration. New theme sounds really cool. Love the unstacked cities.

I am thinking of buying the full Civ completionist pack to bide the time. Also subscribing to the VIP Civ VI chat channel, which allows me to see a live feed of Christopher Tin's home. I bought some capital city flair for my throne room. They haven't announced a throne room yet, but I know what they are up to! *






* Oh wait, I'm just gonna buy it on steam when it comes out, DL it in about 20 min, and play it a bunch. I must have been thinking of something else.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

XK posted:

There are all kinds of complicating factors, such as if you have an above average number of viewers who adblock, how long the video is, how much time each individual viewer actually watches. Then Patreon, and Twitch subscriptions would be a little more income on top of that.

You also have to add the fact that EVERY ONE of the big youtube names is being managed by an entertainment network and have to pay fairly large royalties to that company in exchange for the advertising those companies give them.

Mr Fronts
Jan 31, 2016

Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.

If you're into spending money on hype, propping up your expectations with ~dreams~, and then watching it all evaporate, check out Star Citizen! *

* Don't forget to <<use>> my referral code.

Wise Learned Man
Apr 22, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lipstick Apathy
The proof that SC streamers are being paid by CIG is that they play Star Citizen every day. Nobody would do that without significant compensation. Not even the true believers play Star Citizen.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
The FTC haven't investigated CIG yet because even they know it won't be released.

TheLightPurges
Sep 24, 2016

by exmarx
The FTC can't do anything because CIG doesn't provide a good or service to regulate.

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Wise Learned Man posted:

The proof that SC streamers are being paid by CIG is that they play Star Citizen every day. Nobody would do that without significant compensation. Not even the true believers play Star Citizen.

Not even Chris Roberts plays Star Citizen, and he is getting paid for it.

Oleyo
Mar 28, 2016

TheAgent posted:

that video is every "I have an idea for an awesome video game, I just need programmers and artists" thread ever created

absolutely shameful

oh dont forget to buy a loving jpg too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyymbmis7xA&t=4070s

lol, I love these kind of 'ideas guys'.

"I have this great idea for a building, it's amazing. I just need some architects, civil planners and engineers. Maybe some interior decorators to finish it off. I should be hired for my awesome building idea. Maybe some materials guys to invent some new materials capable of supporting this piece here."

Some people will never realise that ideas are not valuable in this world. Distilling difficult ideas into a something useful or fun, and then implementing said ideas in the real world with all the limits that budget and market impose is extremely valuable, however.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Wise Learned Man posted:

The proof that SC streamers are being paid by CIG is that they play Star Citizen every day. Nobody would do that without significant compensation. Not even the true believers play Star Citizen.

Yeah if you were simply looking to earn a living off Youtube you wouldn't play SC, you'd go for something mega popular.
This coupled with how miserable they look makes me think they are being subsidised at least.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Oleyo posted:

lol, I love these kind of 'ideas guys'.

"I have this great idea for a building, it's amazing. I just need some architects, civil planners and engineers. Maybe some interior decorators to finish it off. I should be hired for my awesome building idea. Maybe some materials guys to invent some new materials capable of supporting this piece here."

Some people will never realise that ideas are not valuable in this world. Distilling difficult ideas into a something useful or fun, and then implementing said ideas in the real world with all the limits that budget and market impose is extremely valuable, however.

They are the 'I'll make the wiki!' guys of the project, problem is, they are all those guys

TheLightPurges
Sep 24, 2016

by exmarx
At the height of SC's popularity this year, 2.4, from the start of 2.4 to 2.5 Arena Commander had just over 400 accounts complete a match. We know this because the leaderboard records everyone who finishes a match so you can just look at how big the leaderboard is which reset every patch.

1.5 million strong.

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat

Raskolnikov posted:

Is there an after? I am racking my brain here just trying to figure out how there is a before and (an after?) and how that might improve things. I am not seeing how any of it works.

:confused:

I was thinking the same thing. mainly because I have never seen a penis pump advert. Do people still get porn with ads in them?

XK
Jul 9, 2001

Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

Mokinokaro posted:

You also have to add the fact that EVERY ONE of the big youtube names is being managed by an entertainment network and have to pay fairly large royalties to that company in exchange for the advertising those companies give them.

Yeah, this absolutely true for many of the popular Youtube personalities. I've heard of some of them having brutal contracts in general, even before taking the percentages into account. (I've heard this most about Machinima, which is notorious for having crushing contracts) I've heard of 40%+ being taken off the top. I'm not sure if any of the core group of SC streamers are affiliated with networks. However, their views are so low it's basically irrelevant. Take 40% of some guy's $1.50, it's still poverty income, unless there's money coming in on the side.

Even the metric of $1 per thousand views feel generous to me, as sad as that is for anybody who actually relies on that income. When is the last time anyone in here has bought something due to influence of an ad before a video you were trying to watch?

TheLightPurges
Sep 24, 2016

by exmarx

Lladre posted:

I was thinking the same thing. mainly because I have never seen a penis pump advert. Do people still get porn with ads in them?

NWS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaJCnMJvV60 NWS

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Brb killing myself

TheLightPurges
Sep 24, 2016

by exmarx

XK posted:

Yeah, this absolutely true for many of the popular Youtube personalities. I've heard of some of them having brutal contracts in general, even before taking the percentages into account. (I've heard this most about Machinima, which is notorious for having crushing contracts) I've heard of 40%+ being taken off the top. I'm not sure if any of the core group of SC streamers are affiliated with networks. However, their views are so low it's basically irrelevant. Take 40% of some guy's $1.50, it's still poverty income, unless there's money coming in on the side.

Even the metric of $1 per thousand views feel generous to me, as sad as that is for anybody who actually relies on that income. When is the last time anyone in here has bought something due to influence of an ad before a video you were trying to watch?

I use adblock. There was a guy whose videos I watched every day and I felt bad and donated 2 bucks. Which is more than double than what he'd have made off me if I had ads on. So win win.

aleksendr
May 14, 2014

Ol Cactus Dick posted:

Yeah I don't buy the paid shills thing either, that have hundreds of nerds who paid them thousands to do it.

Look at the Twitch/Youtube profile of some important streamers like Bored gamers or Noobifier. If you go trough all the video you can pinpoint the exact moment in time where they get the first deposit. The channel suddenly goes from various game review and lets play to 98% SC content with many videos literally using the same "talking points" on different channels. I could understand someone going on a binge when the game is new or maybe during the 2 week after a new patch but to keep 98% of your content on SC even during the weak months of winter when plenty of other games release is rather strange.

I mean common, not even a single video about "Overwatch" ? That game moved more units than INN had views trough their lifetime and your not going to even play the free beta ? There is no doubt they have some serious Astro Turfing at work here

aleksendr fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Oct 14, 2016

XK
Jul 9, 2001

Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

TheLightPurges posted:

The FTC can't do anything because CIG doesn't provide a good or service to regulate.

This will potentially be the first example of the FTC regulating dreams.

Duckaerobics
Jul 22, 2007


Lipstick Apathy
I do feel bad for a lot of those twitch streamers and youtubers who think they are going to make it big, because I don't care how much you love video games it's got to be draining to spend that much time in front of a camera. I worked at the college radio station a little bit when I was in undergrad and even a 1 or 2 hour show was exhausting.

Some of those twitch people got so lucky though. It hurts me to even think about how much people like lirik/summit make. I'm sure they pay a ton in taxes and they work 6 days a week, but with ~10k subscribers they must be taking in at least 20k a month.

marumaru
May 20, 2013




I wasn't ready for that. :gonk:

Oleyo
Mar 28, 2016

scrubs season six posted:

I wish when I was a teen my dad had turned our basement into a Tetris level or some poo poo.

"Dad, what are you doing?"


"I just need the long piece and it will all make sense.... do you have the long piece?! WHERE IS IT?!"

crisp roberts
Oct 13, 2016
But the streamers make money from donations too, which could be paid by cig.

Oleyo
Mar 28, 2016

trucutru posted:

I must recognize that the spit of the game into SQ42 and SC was a stroke of genius?



And so on.

lol. Like an actual shell game. Where is the content...under this one? Nope, *wink* try again! This one? ...nope! you are bad at guessing!

XK
Jul 9, 2001

Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

TheLightPurges posted:

At the height of SC's popularity this year, 2.4, from the start of 2.4 to 2.5 Arena Commander had just over 400 accounts complete a match. We know this because the leaderboard records everyone who finishes a match so you can just look at how big the leaderboard is which reset every patch.

1.5 million strong.

Imgur is being garbage at inlining things, so click this link and imagine he's saying "400".

http://imgur.com/gallery/JkwBhkA

It's the Joker, in the interrogation room, saying "six".

Oleyo
Mar 28, 2016

Breetai posted:




loving look at that preview image. Look at that sad shambleman on the left. Just loving look at him and let that image seep into your brain.

Sad little babyman. Pouty little flabgut. This is the face of 'momma always said I was a handsome boy; it'll happen eventually, I'm a late bloomer! This is the face of NEET. This is not so much a citizen of the world as lord and master of the basement and crawlspaces. When Roberts poo poo, he eats. Looking at him lets you know, with perfect clarity, exactly why escapism is his #1 choice of activity. But he can't find a rope strong enough, so he'll escape his life with a video game. He's the Sad Little Engine whose motto is "I know I can't, I know I can't." His shirt reminding everyone who looks upon it to twitch is staggeringly redundant. He is the 'before' picture of a penis pump advert. It's like Hans Moleman hosed Ralf Wiggum. Not the offspring or amalgam of such a union, mind; he's just as awful as the concept of Hans Moleman loving Ralf Wiggum. I'd say it looks like a case of arrested development, only what life did to his development wasn't an arrest, but rather would cause riots in Ferguson.


Wow, this is utterly savage. And yet... deft. I feel like I just watched someone get murdered, but I was impressed with their skill, and couldn't run.

crisp roberts
Oct 13, 2016

This makes me so angry. Who in their right mind is diappointed by NMS and buys right into SC? I mean, i can get they become excited that theres a spacegame that promises all the things NMS promised but youd think someone who had been buurned once stays away from the fire. But then again, the poeople who do buy in deserve every bit. And the more Jpgs they buy i pity them less.

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat

trucutru posted:

TL;DR: I bought a $750 piece of crap and now I am feeling kind of guilty about it. Wouldn't it be great if it was just like *I* want it to be?
:lol: if you read all that crap.

Do any of the replies remind him that it hasn't been 14 days and he can still get a refund?

Oleyo
Mar 28, 2016

I chuckled, beer.

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AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

crisp roberts posted:

This makes me so angry.

This is a happy thread, list your ships.

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