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English is always going to sound weird put into a film where it isn't the core spoken language. I thought it was all fine enough. I would have been equally fine with everyone (americans included) just speaking japanese though.
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I needed a bathroom break so I partially missed the scene where Patterson was introduced and I didn't realize she was supposed to be Japanese-American, so for a while I thought when she spoke English, she was making fun of English speakers. Kinda like how people do a fake John Wayne impression. But it was endearing.
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Oct 14, 2016 21:30
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English was fine and totally understandable given the fact that it wasn't made in an English speaking language. Its the same when you have people speaking other languages in movies here. The James Bond movie with the North Korean villain had someone who absolutely couldn't speak Korean speaking Korean. Its dumb to criticize the movie because of that but I've been seeing it throughout the internet :eyeroll: That being said, what a fantastic movie. My girlfriend, who absolutely didn't want to see the movie, ended up enjoying it quite a bit. Definitely enjoyed it more than Godzilla 2014 and it was definitely the closest we're getting to a live-action full-length Evangelion movie at the moment.
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Oct 14, 2016 22:29
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Also I really I appreciate how clever their plan for stopping Godzilla was. I love that it wasn't just bomb him more and more. They actually had to be smart about it.
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Oct 14, 2016 22:36
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Tsukiyaki Western Django is 90% Japanese people doing English line reads and 10% Quentin Tarantino in old man makeup eating beans and rambling about anime. I highly recommend it.
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Oct 14, 2016 22:46
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Saw this last night and I loving loved it. This was way better than Godzilla 2014, all the actor performances were great and much better compared to the 2014 one (minus Bryan Cranston obviously). I loved the themes and the message this movie had, as well as the heavy political satire. Its gonna be very difficult for Western audiences to relate since it focuses so much on the Japanese government and how they slowly respond to everything. All of the early reviews I feel like missed the entire point of this movie, but I've been seeing a lot more positive reviews now that it is out here. Want to try to watch it again sometime this weekend if I have a chance. bueracracy- an entirely japanese phenomenon apparently
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Oct 15, 2016 00:09
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It's even more noticeable with Americans in Toho's movies because, well, there aren't that many American expats seeking acting jobs in the Japanese film industry, so sometimes these'll just be people otherwise related to the studio- friends of the production staff and the like.
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Oct 15, 2016 00:50
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Look it's leagues better then Biolantte where everyone sounds like they're having a stroke.
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Oct 15, 2016 01:06
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gfanikf posted:Look it's leagues better then Biolantte where everyone sounds like they're having a stroke.
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Oct 15, 2016 01:10
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Not really a Godzilla fan but saw this on Tuesday and absolutely loved it. Love how they used the city as an actual weapon and there wasn't one single hero, just everyone teaming up and figuring it out. bureaucracy montage!!!!!
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Oct 15, 2016 01:49
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mandatory lesbian posted:bueracracy- an entirely japanese phenomenon apparently Well I think the bueracracy in this movie is more of a commentary on how bad the Japanese government handled the 2011 earthquake and Fukushima reactor stuff.
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Oct 15, 2016 01:51
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Is there any significance to the fact that nothing really got accomplished until a bunch of the government officials died and the the government was whittled down to a relatively small group?
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Oct 15, 2016 02:14
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You guys catch the GaoGaiGar reference during the pumping sequence? The pump status readout replicates the Final Fusion Approval process.
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Maxwell Lord posted:It's even more noticeable with Americans in Toho's movies because, well, there aren't that many American expats seeking acting jobs in the Japanese film industry, so sometimes these'll just be people otherwise related to the studio- friends of the production staff and the like. That reminds me of something goofy I saw in an anime recently. They were obviously scrapping the bottom of the barrel for white guy who could speak Japanese because he was supposed to be playing an American and when he spoke English he had an Australian accent.
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So did the guy who jumped into the ocean do that because he wanted to be eaten first? Was he hoping to commune with Godzilla down there? Did he become Godzilla? I wasn't clear on what happened there.
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Just got back from seeing Shin; loving owned A++ 10/10 I need the blu ray where's the bluray give me 10 I got spoiled to his heat laser online, but seeing it on the big screen, and just the sheer sound it made was incomparable and just drove home how loving alien G was. Asides from the big wobbly eyed goldfish lizard form  Someone else on the way out commented they thought it looked like a pokemon, haha.
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I was watching Godzilla Vs King Ghidorah last night and the two white dudes that are from the future speak Japanese, presumably because they come from a future where Japan kicks everyone's rear end. I don't speak any Japanese at all but they weren't distracting or anything. on the other hand that movie also has that whole Major Spielberg bit.
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SpaceWolfPurrp posted:on the other hand that movie also has that whole Major Spielberg bit. This is one of the best moments in Godzilla history.
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K. Waste posted:This is one of the best moments in Godzilla history. That film is an underappreciated piece of genius. It's a great follow-up of to the very weird Biollante entry.
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Jimbot posted:That film is an underappreciated piece of genius. It's a great follow-up of to the very weird Biollante entry. Yeah I agree. Both by the same director, I think it's a shame he didn't get to do more. The way he frames the fight scenes is outstanding.
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Spatulater bro! posted:Out of curiosity, has anyone been to a US showing of this that wasn't sold out? Mine was only about half full. 7:30 showing on Thursday night.
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I'm seeing it today - always nice to take a train into the city, even if alone and sick. I'm really trying to temper my enthusiasm but y'all and my predisposed love of Godzilla are making it super hard.
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I'm really bummed this doesn't seem to be getting a UK release.
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Animal-Mother posted:So did the guy who jumped into the ocean do that because he wanted to be eaten first? Was he hoping to commune with Godzilla down there? Did he become Godzilla? It's still a mystery, and I can't tell if this is insane but I'm watching for the last one. "Scrap and build" was pushed too heavily for the guy not to have turned himself into a tool to pressure Japan to get its act together like it had to in this one. He even took out half the bureaucracy himself. Plus, if they fail he's gonna get nuked, and I can't see anything else happening in that case besides him absorbing all the energy and taking revenge on the US for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We can only hope to get to see those sequences next time, but it all seems to fit together, except I can't remember what exactly was said about him trying to warn people before he disappeared - whether he said there was already something down there or just that the radiation could make something like that.
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gfanikf posted:Look it's leagues better then Biolantte where everyone sounds like they're having a stroke. Yikes, those two American agents. "I am a lethal weapon!" Or the not-Saudi dude - "Kiss, you guys."
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Just got back. Theater was sold out or nearly so. What a cool movie! Both totally a Godzilla movie, but different. Action Bureaucracy! Loved the camera-work in those scenes. Music: Did it seem like the Godzilla theme got more and more Godzilla-Theme like as Godzilla did? Anno: I've not seen all of Evangelion, but it seemed pretty Eva-ish. Not in a bad way. Civil Engineering: Buildings and Trains finally get their Revenge! Plans:That super-coagulent - Berry Juice 2016? End:Looking forward to that tail situation resolving in the next movie. Americans: Laughably lovely throughout the movie. "Nuclear Wisdom"! Hilarious! Character:I hope Laptop Scientist Lady and Always-wrong-guy both come back in a future movie.
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Movie was good, seconding the "lol English" sentiment. I swear one American had a British accent. I also laughed my rear end off when during the drone strikes (or maybe after) the main characters were just standing directly under Godzilla's back lasers like "no biggie, just a few kilometers away from oblivion." Also I just love that this movie successfully made me feel what the average cinemagoer probably felt when the original Godzilla was released.
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Shin Gojira is dope. It's a black comedy of the most audacious kind. Like the '54 film married to that Arabian Nights trilogy from last year.
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What a great movie. Way funnier than I was expecting it to be, and this is probably my favorite Godzilla design. He's legitimately creepy as hell. The accents didn't really bug me at all, though there was a big audience laugh at the "when I'm President of the United States..." line. But they also laughed at proto-Godzilla, which I thought was pretty freaky and effective. There are still some big gaps in my Godzilla watchlist, but this is pretty easily in my top 5 so far.
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My girlfriend and I laughed when we first saw First Form Godzilla but I think it was nervous laughter from how loving disturbing he looked. Speaking of which, when dude was like "Godzilla has entered its fourth form!" I giggled at that too.
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The scene where proto-Godzilla finally stands up is an incredible moment. Before, things were disastrous, but there was also this sense of nervous uncertainty at just how surreal things were. Afterwards, there is no more uncertainty. Surrealism gives way to terror. Absolutely awesome, in all senses of the word.
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Just saw it, I thought it was rad. Here's some dumb nerd speculation: I'm inclined to think that the scientist guy that abandoned the boat maybe became Godzilla as a vindictive widower. This loosely lines up with Shinji's dad in Eva inciting the end of the world to rejoin his dead wife. But I could just be a dumb nerd.
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Movie owned. I thought that by showing Godzilla in less-evolved forms was extremely effective in making Godzilla seem fresh and scary. We all know Godzilla, there's no real surprise there, but going from dumb, flopping-around Godzilla to huge, death-laser form made the latter feel so much more awesome.
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K. Waste posted:Shin Gojira is dope. It's a black comedy of the most audacious kind. Like the '54 film married to that Arabian Nights trilogy from last year. It's really, REALLY funny. G14 only has a handful of morbid jokes, overall it's much more awestruck and mournful. But this was just plain quirky.
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Something I loved was Godzillas eyes. They had this kind of dumb innocence to him. He wasn't evil or malicious he was just doing what he does. Mankind created this monster and he is just being Godzilla.
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Pyswagoras posted:Just saw it, I thought it was rad. Here's some dumb nerd speculation: I'm inclined to think that the scientist guy that abandoned the boat maybe became Godzilla as a vindictive widower. This loosely lines up with Shinji's dad in Eva inciting the end of the world to rejoin his dead wife. But I could just be a dumb nerd. You know... we never found out what happened to that guy, did we? A lot of people would probably like your theory enough to embrace it (Lord knows, one of the most entertaining parts of Godzilla '14 was the theory that Godzilla was actually Bryan Cranston's character, come back from the dead for vengeance" bit), but knowing Anno and his style, I think Goro's disappearance is meant to be a mystery- all the matters is that he left a message saying "Do as you will" with what you made: either prevail or be destroyed, but either way, it's your problem. But yeah! I liked that very much; saw it in a packed theater, because it was the only show today- people were sitting in the aisles. I was surprised how funny a lot of it was- as a lot of people have said already, there are a lot of bureaucracy scenes about what Godzilla is and how are we going to fight him and if we're even allowed to fight him yet, which should make the movie feel slow but never do, because of some crackerjack filmography, using interesting angles and different perspectives to highlight the hierarchy of the room, the absurdity of the situation, and the instantly recognizable faces of awkwardness, doubt, incredulity, total boredom, or the very special kind of frustration that comes with wanting very dearly to tell someone to gently caress off, but not being able to because that would get you fired. Just like Eva, these scenes feel like a very searing indictment on bureaucracy and red tape as practiced by Japan, but I highly, highly doubt that Anno is significantly proposing fascism as an answer to that. You can see it in his portrayal of the Prime Minister, who came off in the film not as some buffoonish obstructionist or grandstanding political animal, but just a put upon man who was crushed under the weight of his decisions and wanted to minimize the damage to his citizenry. He was a clearly sympathetic figure, but the fact that his hesitancy cost him not only his life, but three wards of Tokyo and a significantly greater loss of life isn't shied away from. Anno clearly isn't saying that organized government is a bad thing and never has, there just could be a little more cooperation and less red tape during certain moments- like when a giant goddamn monster is destroying the capital city for instance. (Plus, the fact that the Big Plan to take down Godzilla isn't just Japan's effort, but a multinational affair involving a lot of countries is so antifascist it's funny. Modus Pwnens posted:I thought that by showing Godzilla in less-evolved forms was extremely effective in making Godzilla seem fresh and scary. We all know Godzilla, there's no real surprise there, but going from dumb, flopping-around Godzilla to huge, death-laser form made the latter feel so much more awesome. What I loved most about that was how the movie actually mirrors the audience in terms of response to the big G- When proto-Godzilla flops on shore, a lot of people are surprised and nervous, but he's largely seen as a curiosity or annoyance, even after the initial destruction he causes- there was even a big rally celebrating him and asking to protect him, even after that. But then, Laptop-Girl notices that he's radioactive, and people start taking him a lot more seriously.. but are still surprised when he shows up, in all of his glory, because he's mutating a lot faster than they thought. And then, once we attack him, we really see what he can do... I've rarely seen such a good escalation of threat in movies from "He's weird, but kind of cute!  " to "Jesus Christ we're ALL hosed!  " done so well in movies. Really, really solid work.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's really, REALLY funny. G14 only has a handful of morbid jokes, overall it's much more awestruck and mournful. But this was just plain quirky. The key line in the whole thing is that the Americans coined the monster's name, and for a bit everybody's like, "Well, that's an interesting name," but then they're eventually like, "Ok, let's just call it Godzilla, it's not like it matters." It's interesting, because bits and pieces of the movie seem obviously very votive of Gojira and its place in Japan's national cinema, but there's this undercurrent throughout the movie which is bitter and resentful. And not just about the obvious bureaucratic nonsense, but the pretense of "Godzilla." This great pop cultural metaphor and icon is trivialized. You can change him a million ways, but there's no 'mystery' anymore. In fact, the metaphor is already, always imminently in the state of being totally and thoroughly unpackaged and 'deconstructed.' So what's the point? It's very poignant that it's actually the American film which comes off with this naive "New Sincerity" vibe, of 'reviving' a classic monster. But Anno and Higuchi go full-on post-modern with it. 'Reviving' Godzilla is pointless, the whole movie is actually about putting him back into stasis so Japan can soldier on into the unknowable, eternal "post-war era."
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Saw this at Drafthouse tonight. loving incredible, love how they take ideas about evolution to a terrifying degree with this. It was a fantastic "return to form" thing that evoked a lot of ideas in the original yet still bringing in enough new poo poo to justify its creation. The cinematography and shots were just overall fantastic, I loved how much of an idiot god Godzilla seems to be, from his writhing gross first form to his ambling, blank fish-eyed trudging. The ending was similarly horrifying, if only for the implications. One of my friends said she'd never seen a Godzilla film before this one--not sure she needs to see any others after this one, it was such a great mix of political intrigue, opinion on nuclear weaponry, and our state as beings on earth in general. Maybe I just love it too much but man, this was a great Godzilla movie and I loved it way more than the 2014 one--this one gets that it's not just about seeing 2 big creatures fighting, and how Godzilla is a absolutely not a "hero."
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