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ripptide
Jul 28, 2016

CrazyTolradi posted:

I'm still not sure what CIG is doing that's "ahead of the industry", can anyone list their industry firsts?

Something like making (or planning to make) a drat fine buggy once everyone has started driving those new fangled auto-mobile things.

e: taxxe

ripptide fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Oct 18, 2016

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Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

That Carpet Catte desperately needs a buddy! :ohdear:

Like this!

boviscopophobic
Feb 5, 2016

Stolen GBS valor tax

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Marching Powder posted:

there is not enough time in the day to respond to every post mentioning me, especially from xaerael. look at his post history (if there is something severely wrong with you), and count the amount of times he references me. not quotes, or interacts with me, just references me. i'd say there's at least 10 a page. it's cool that you think i'm legitimately angry though and not just toying with the retards.

nice musterpappeting :smuggo:

no_recall
Aug 17, 2015

Lipstick Apathy
Finally found the vid I was looking for. A good comparison against "Road to ShitizensConned". One is for a demo, while this is for a 10/10 game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uryw8nM9fzA

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Toops posted:

Happy 6000 buddies.

I miss Solar Plebeian

kingcom
Jun 23, 2012

Jobbo_Fett posted:

I miss Solar Plebeian

Me too commando o9

de_dust
Jan 21, 2009

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.
is ben still alive?

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

orcinus posted:

What is that? Looks like a Kershaw, but (even?) uglier.

No clue, but its as dumb as that stupid ship.

Pilz
Jul 25, 2016
Grimey Drawer

de_dust posted:

is ben still alive?

Alive and trying to get money to buy old wing commander animation cells.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

no_recall posted:

Finally found the vid I was looking for. A good comparison against "Road to ShitizensConned". One is for a demo, while this is for a 10/10 game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uryw8nM9fzA
This is super fascinating, thanks for posting.

Other documentaries like this would be very much appreciated!

Here's some old developer commentaries on very troubled projects that got released and received critical acclaim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwfnAM3dBrM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBi_xx26ClM

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

The Kins posted:

This is super fascinating, thanks for posting.

Other documentaries like this would be very much appreciated!

Here's some old developer commentaries on very troubled projects that got released and received critical acclaim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwfnAM3dBrM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBi_xx26ClM

Not a video but check out Hidetaka Miyazaki's way of dealing with artists in Dark Souls (one of the games with best design ever) and general direction approach.

http://peterbarnard1984.tumblr.com/post/74564331274/dark-souls-design-works-translation

quote:

Otsuka: It seems that your direction was at times quite… abstract

Miyazaki: Yes, according to the artists it was, but I think, If your instructions are too specific, the designs you get will be somewhat devoid of creativity, so I try to give them just the most basic, essential information before handing it over to the artists imaginations, which inevitably eclipse my own.

Of course, If I don’t get what I want, then I start giving more specific descriptions, and I might even start drawing things on the white board, but even then I’d never go so far as to say it has to be this colour or this shape. I don’t want the designers to just become my tools. Of course, It doesn’t always go as I want, but I think that’s probably due to me not getting the best out of the artists, and this is something I want to get better at in the future.

Like, imagine Croberts working like that. :lol:

TheLastRoboKy
May 2, 2009

Finishing the game with everyone else's continues

Chin posted:

Lethality says SQ42 is ahead of production schedule relative to the average development period of similar games.

Based on what?

There's apparently no part of the game that exists in a presentable, non-embarrassing state that CIG could show at Citcon. We saw nothing of the purported 20 hours of cinematics. It's been eleven months since CIG released the "Old Man" teaser with a few low-quality seconds of Hamill's character.

For all that CIG has shown, there is no SQ42 game. There's hardly a concept.

My favourite part is Lethality demanding people do some research, which if done earnestly just shows that Star Citizen is far worse off than he's portraying it.

Every Citizencon is Chris Roberts standing there with a dumb look on his face like his pants just fell down while something fucks up around him as a result of his own lovely passion fingers (whatever they touch gets hosed). Why would anyone think they had achieved anything at this point?

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



I can't wait for Star Citizen to collapse and citizens proclaiming they knew that would happen all along due to Croberts' history. If only us malcontents had done some research.

no_recall
Aug 17, 2015

Lipstick Apathy

trucutru posted:

Not a video but check out Hidetaka Miyazaki's way of dealing with artists in Dark Souls (one of the games with best design ever) and general direction approach.

http://peterbarnard1984.tumblr.com/post/74564331274/dark-souls-design-works-translation


Like, imagine Croberts working like that. :lol:

[Insert Chris Roberts detailed hand gestures attempting to detail gameplay here]

EminusSleepus
Sep 28, 2015

Daztek posted:

I can't wait for Star Citizen to collapse and citizens proclaiming they knew that would happen all along due to Croberts' history. If only us malcontents had done some research.

dead men tell no tales

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
He found his wife is voting Hilary.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I want a pig. :(

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Move to QLD

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Mods, ban this sick filth.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

The Titanic posted:

Ok. I actually watched this one.

Here's my take on it:

Backers, you guys are getting hosed. Get a refund.

Reasons are in the video.

The WHOLE video was not about Star Citizen OR Squadron 42. It was about making a cinematic movie experience that looked like a demo for these games.

They have nothing. Pretty assets and some overly complex systems that are so complex they lost themselves in them. They need to do a for real refactoring on their code base. That blond guy looks like he's gone crazy when trying to describe the systems to Chris. This is bad mojo. Your game is years, and probably a whole new engine, away.

This was an apology video, and I see they tried to pull heartstrings by putting people behind the catastrophic failure, but Chris remains a clueless dick. Listen to the verbiage he uses. He has no clue, and only cares about how things look and appear.

The developers are overwhelmed and overworked. I hate to tell you but crunch time all the time doesn't make your product better, it usually makes it more broken in the long run.

Speaking of that, there is no long run. They literally pulled everybody everywhere for the demo(s). That they could not even tie enough poo poo together to splice a basic demo together at this point should also alarm you. You should be wondering why this is the case.

Why was nothing nailed down?

Why were basic elements like the radar changing between demo builds?

Why are AI non functional at all?

I saw this, and it looks like not even the basic designs of the majority of the game are nailed down. It looks to me like Chris evaluates videos and animations of "gameplay" and directs people to fix things based on cinematic happenstance instead of mechanical and programmatic functionality from a gameplay perspective. It's all poo poo, and it's not even at a design document level of completion.

This stuff is so pre-alpha they really are telling the truth when they say "it's alpha!" But not including the pre part.

Guys, for serious. This game is not coming out any time soon. I would be honestly surprised if you see a Squadron 42 mission example prior to mid to late 2017.

There will be no Christmas release of anything consequential.

All staff are busy making non-playable demos and Chris is shooting lovely ideas off that people need to implement as he thinks them up on the spot.

Chris Roberts is literally keeping the game down. And he is so out of his depth, and doesn't know anything about it it's sad. He's making movies and that's it. There was no gameplay anywhere unless you count broken AI or cloth physics on a model as gameplay.

However! If you like non-playable "demos" I have a feeling you are in for a treat! You will get those. Very pretty, very scripted, totally non-playable game "slices". And thus this is how CIG will continue to milk that cash cow.

And my final verdict is:

The illusion of progress. - A Chris Roberts Demo

An excellent post :golfclap:

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Big K of Justice posted:

I'm trying to figure out how the number of $10,000 came around for the WC:Show stuff.

I worked in animation, mostly since the transition to digital, but the studios typically can't wait to bin the items if the show isn't anything special.

The crazier thing is.. who currently owns it and why are they paying storage fees to store an obscure flop of a 90s tv show?

It turns out that Ben owns it already and is fleecing people via another crowdfunder.

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


alf_pogs posted:

ha ha ha this is fantastic

https://twitter.com/FearNoGod/status/788107901239857152

stay woke you crazy diamond

https://twitter.com/FearNoGod/status/788087813161889792

Brave white man on the internet wants to take his cause to the street. Remains on internet for hours instead of doing anything.

Can Hilary please be president already? This poo poo is getting tiresome.

Sabreseven
Feb 27, 2016


:golfclap:

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

Sedisp posted:

https://twitter.com/FearNoGod/status/788087813161889792

Brave white man on the internet wants to take his cause to the street. Remains on internet for hours instead of doing anything.

Can Hilary please be president already? This poo poo is getting tiresome.

Is this "Lipstick on a lying liberal pig" guy?

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Yolomon Wayne posted:

Is this "Lipstick on a lying liberal pig" guy?

If anything this elections has taught me that people that care deeply about emails probably have brain problems. If they also care deeply about space ship jpgs then theres basically no hope for them

it dont matter
Aug 29, 2008

Sabreseven posted:

Slightly changed one of the 'better' versions to show the passage of a few months (tiny change, but does the job) :)



didn't say pledge enough

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
I guess all the articles saying delayed indefinitely wasn't good PR. I absolutely love Chris going "read my lips, no more deadlines" last year is biting them in the rear end hard now.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

quote:

Q: What of the demo will be in the actual game?
A: EVERYTHING and MORE!

Q: Can we hyperjump from atmosphere?
A: No, that was just for the demo.

Yes, that makes absolute sense.
Somewhere which isnt "this universe".

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

https://www.gofundme.com/2p88qhxw

quote:

$10
Denis Loubet

From the original Wing Commander artist, Good Luck! :-)

quote:

$10
B Tung

Best wishes from a trader scum at sc grey market


Ben's offering a reward now.

$25

quote:

Ben Drawing!
Want your very own physical Ben Drawing, as seen on RtV? I will draw the spaceship of your choice in Sharpie. It will be terrible. Will share online if desired!

Sabreseven
Feb 27, 2016

alphabettitouretti posted:

didn't say pledge enough



Made me LOL so loudly that the IT manager at work shouted "He's on that forum again!!". 10/10 :D

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo
No monthly report for September due to CitCon

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

No monthly report for September due to having nothing to report.

:v:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

So THAT's where Lowtax got his idea...

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo
We spent one month of crunching 300 employees into wishing for death to prepare for a presentation that was about 70% powerpoint. Also we delayed the "release dates" for all our stuff even though we went ahead and called all the 'zines to deny any rumors about delays a few weeks ago

Hope you're looking forward to the stuff we got prepared for next month because there's bound to be a lot of 'forward' and not all that much stuff

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

They should ask Jared to stream more.



Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

We spent one month of crunching 300 employees into wishing for death to prepare for a presentation that was about 70% powerpoint. Also we delayed the "release dates" for all our stuff even though we went ahead and called all the 'zines to deny any rumors about delays a few weeks ago

Hope you're looking forward to the stuff we got prepared for next month because there's bound to be a lot of 'forward' and not all that much stuff

Sounds legit where's the pledge link

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

We spent one month of crunching 300 employees into wishing for death to prepare for a presentation that was about 70% powerpoint. Also we delayed the "release dates" for all our stuff even though we went ahead and called all the 'zines to deny any rumors about delays a few weeks ago

Hope you're looking forward to the stuff we got prepared for next month because there's bound to be a lot of 'forward' and not all that much stuff

Isn't their pipeline full with patches 2.6 through 200.15j? I think they should tell us about that, get some new hopeful backers to buy a few chariots.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Wasn't 2.6 weeks, not months, away?

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Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Marching Powder posted:

like i'm loving candyman. no. you're right. it is definitely me who is mad.

hang on... anxiety every time they see me post anything.... obsessing over anything i do or don't do, or just making things up to be mad at, making up pet names for me, almost impossibly pathetic....

i've been getting the feeling for a while that most of the lovely posters itt are basically citizens just without spaceship pictures, and if that's true, you guys would be



hahahaha i have my own r/ds making me

Congratulations. You failed the "Is Marching Powder a bigger reactionary idiot than Derek Smart?" test. You now, and forever, will be known as the guy who gets butthurt more about something than Derek Smart, who has been taking the high road on the whole name calling thing.

I suggest you write a blog about it.

Idiot.

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