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XYZ
Aug 31, 2001

Nobody cares.

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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Slanderer posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXHQvJkfy8o

I'm the commenters in this video jacking off to the SUPER SEXY CRISP scanlines on this professional broadcast monitor and dont you loving dare tell me that this isn't how the game was meant to look!!!!

nice ongoing meltdown

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy
Wouldn't scanline logic apply to TV shows then too? Because obviously they were made for the same device, therefore...

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

as a person who never leaves my house i've done pretty well for myself.

Light Gun Man posted:

Wouldn't scanline logic apply to TV shows then too? Because obviously they were made for the same device, therefore...

No, because those were interlaced.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

Light Gun Man posted:

Wouldn't scanline logic apply to TV shows then too? Because obviously they were made for the same device, therefore...
TV shows captured on interlaced video have to be pretty heavily filtered in order to not look like poo poo on a progressive display.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Light Gun Man posted:

Wouldn't scanline logic apply to TV shows then too? Because obviously they were made for the same device, therefore...

More like color vs black and white films.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Light Gun Man posted:

Wouldn't scanline logic apply to TV shows then too? Because obviously they were made for the same device, therefore...

I wonder if there is an equivalent form of this madness for films, in which people take perfectly-good Blu Ray transfers of old films and then add 3:2 pulldown and telecine distortion or something to get that "authentic" old TV broadcast look and feel

fake edit: actually this idea is so dumb that it's actually good and I'm 100% on board

Humerus
Jul 7, 2009

Rule of acquisition #111:
Treat people in your debt like family...exploit them.


I've never been super concerned about emulator "accuracy" but this has been a really cool discussion. A little while back Sega updated their PC Genesis emulator with a couple extra filter options and one of them adds a curve effect....that really looks bad if I'm being honest. You can set a degree of curveness (for lack of a better term) but anything over the bare minimum just looks ridiculous. I get what they're going for-CRT TVs were curved. But this filter just distorts it. Have you ever seen a filter that attempted this and actually did it well?

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

Humerus posted:

I've never been super concerned about emulator "accuracy" but this has been a really cool discussion. A little while back Sega updated their PC Genesis emulator with a couple extra filter options and one of them adds a curve effect....that really looks bad if I'm being honest. You can set a degree of curveness (for lack of a better term) but anything over the bare minimum just looks ridiculous. I get what they're going for-CRT TVs were curved. But this filter just distorts it. Have you ever seen a filter that attempted this and actually did it well?

I've never seen this work on a flat screen. VR implementations of that kind of thing like NewRetroArcade map the video output to a texture on actual geometry, which consequently gives the virtual display real stereoscopy and parallax. The resolution of current headsets is poor enough that it's more of a hindrance to legibility due to aliasing, but it's easy to foresee it improving as HMDs get better.

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
Well those filters in the Sega collection were designed first for VR and second for flat screens, so it makes a little sense that it looks bad on a monitor.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

Elliotw2 posted:

Well those filters in the Sega collection were designed first for VR and second for flat screens, so it makes a little sense that it looks bad on a monitor.

Have they outright said that they're going to enable VR in that thing? It runs on Unity so it wouldn't be too hard to implement I guess.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK
I plug my supernintendo into a 75" OLED screen and then just smear conflict-free vaseline all over the screen for that authentic bespoke artisanal retro vintage look, like how it's meant to be

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I plug my unmodded NES into a 50" flatscreen and it looks about what I expect an NES game to look like :shrug:

I've probably smoked too much weed to accurately remember anything past 15 minutes ago anyway :420:

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




I still have my 19" 1280x1024 LCD from 2005 and I can't wait to use it (set to a 4:3 ratio of course) with one of those new Nintendo Minis coming out next month.

Grumbletron 4000
Nov 30, 2002

Where you want it, bitch.
College Slice
I used this for my gaming needs right up until the PS2 era.



Small, but probably the best thing for old consoles I know of. I regret passing it on to a nephew when I got a PS2 and started using my awesome for the day 27" JVC TV.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
I remember plugging in a bunch of different analog output consoles into the broadcast monitors we had in high school and being :tviv: over the awesome colors and quality.

Never once did I wish the quality was shittier.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Nice 1702, probably the best monitor for oldschool computers and consoles. The only drawback is the size, really.

Wasabi the J posted:

I remember plugging in a bunch of different analog output consoles into the broadcast monitors we had in high school and being :tviv: over the awesome colors and quality.

Never once did I wish the quality was shittier.

The point is not to make the image shittier. The point is to make it look like it's supposed to look on the monitor technology the hardware was built around.

As with everything, some nerds have a tendency to exaggerate, because they can.

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

Slanderer posted:

I wonder if there is an equivalent form of this madness for films, in which people take perfectly-good Blu Ray transfers of old films and then add 3:2 pulldown and telecine distortion or something to get that "authentic" old TV broadcast look and feel

fake edit: actually this idea is so dumb that it's actually good and I'm 100% on board

Are you retarded? A little slow perhaps? Old videogames were literally designed with CRT blur in mind. There are graphic effects (semi-transparent colors, "extra" colors created by artifacting) that look absolutely terrible without blur. Lack of CRT artifacts can make a game nearly unplayable

Your example is stupid because films were meant to be played on a projector and the quality had to be lowered for TV (CRT emulation doesn't lower the quality of old games). A better example would be old TV shows, that absolutely were shot with TV in mind, on TV friendly media, at TV resolutions, and they do look terrible upscaled for HDTV

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Geez the derail is still going? It's almost worse than the regular mp3 player derail.

Here's a cool palate cleanser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsUjWKayoGo

Humphreys has a new favorite as of 11:56 on Oct 20, 2016

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



KozmoNaut posted:

Nice 1702, probably the best monitor for oldschool computers and consoles. The only drawback is the size, really.


The point is not to make the image shittier. The point is to make it look like it's supposed to look on the monitor technology the hardware was built around.

As with everything, some nerds have a tendency to exaggerate, because they can.

I honestly think they're trolling, because no one can be that retarded.

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.
Why is this thread so mean

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


flosofl posted:

I honestly think they're trolling, because no one can be that retarded.

This is Something Awful. GBS and BYOB shitposters seem to labor under the illusion that they can interact in meaningful ways with normal human beings.

bad posts ahead!!! posted:

Why is this thread so mean

Being nice is outdated and failed.

E: Also, 0:44 in this video. It looks like the upcoming NES Classic will have a reasonably faithful CRT filter, jagged sprites and all :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62bI0zItF6g&t=44s

KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 14:30 on Oct 20, 2016

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit
I came across a giant 32 inch (oe bigger?) RCA CRT made in 2000. Even has an S-Video port on it. Thought of this thread.

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice

Johnny Aztec posted:

I came across a giant 32 inch (oe bigger?) RCA CRT made in 2000. Even has an S-Video port on it. Thought of this thread.

Did you find it on a curb somewhere in the Midwest? Because I just put one out for someone else to claim and it disappeared in short order. I'd have loved to have kept it, but there just wasn't room when I finished packing, so it had to go. I'm sure it's making some hillbilly happy, resting atop his broken console TV :unsmith:

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe
Sorry if it's already been brought up, but the little NES Classic that Nintendo's releasing next month ships with three display modes: square pixels with no postprocessing, a 4:3 mode that slightly stretches out the screen since apparently the originals weren't quite 4:3, and a "CRT" mode that emulates blur and scanlines.

I'm sure someone will find something to bitch about with that last mode re: it not doing the emulation "right", but the people who care really really hard about it are probably not the people who should be buying a console with no capacity to play anything other than the games preloaded onto it.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

hackbunny posted:

Are you retarded? A little slow perhaps? Old videogames were literally designed with CRT blur in mind. There are graphic effects (semi-transparent colors, "extra" colors created by artifacting) that look absolutely terrible without blur. Lack of CRT artifacts can make a game nearly unplayable

Your example is stupid because films were meant to be played on a projector and the quality had to be lowered for TV (CRT emulation doesn't lower the quality of old games). A better example would be old TV shows, that absolutely were shot with TV in mind, on TV friendly media, at TV resolutions, and they do look terrible upscaled for HDTV

I wasn't talking about blur dumbass, but about people deliberately making their stuff look lovely with unnatural scanlines. Shut up lol

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Phy posted:

Sorry if it's already been brought up, but the little NES Classic that Nintendo's releasing next month ships with three display modes: square pixels with no postprocessing, a 4:3 mode that slightly stretches out the screen since apparently the originals weren't quite 4:3, and a "CRT" mode that emulates blur and scanlines.

I'm sure someone will find something to bitch about with that last mode re: it not doing the emulation "right", but the people who care really really hard about it are probably not the people who should be buying a console with no capacity to play anything other than the games preloaded onto it.

I added the video to my post above, from that quick glance it looks pretty good, not too heavy-handed.

And yes, the NES PPU outputs a 256x240 image, which is an aspect ratio 16:15. This gets stretched to 4:3 by the TV, so you get slightly elongated pixels. And even then, that's still not the full answer, because some of it gets cut off by overscan. I assume the NES Classic will be close enough that only the nerdiest of nerds will care whether it's 100% accurate. I'm happy as long as the games themselves run like the originals with no (added) glitches.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Did you find it on a curb somewhere in the Midwest? Because I just put one out for someone else to claim and it disappeared in short order. I'd have loved to have kept it, but there just wasn't room when I finished packing, so it had to go. I'm sure it's making some hillbilly happy, resting atop his broken console TV :unsmith:

Haha no. in a storage unit I bought. I'm just happy it wasn't a Triniton.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


It's a widescreen, I assume?

A 32" 4:3 would be amazing and gigantic.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

And so, so heavy.

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice

Johnny Aztec posted:

Haha no. in a storage unit I bought. I'm just happy it wasn't a Triniton.
I'm happy for you, too. Crane rental costs are just absurd these days.

Content:

Was I the only dumbass who bought a Lightscribe drive?

Lightscribe was this super rad technology from HP circa 2004 that allowed you to use the laser in your optical drive to "burn" labels onto compatible discs.

It sucked balls.



Even a freshly-burned disc looked faded from the start, and it seemed like they faded more and more with each passing day. I remember them sending out tech memos about the fading, explaining that exposure to heat, cold, moisture, dryness, physical contact, lack of physical contact, air, vacuum, and existential conundrums would accelerate the fading. I found a stack of them while cleaning out the attic for a move last week and could barely tell what images they were supposed to have on them. Curiously enough, a CD full of techno fared far better than the others (the gently caress was I thinking), and the image from an old SA thread of a 3D rendered Captain America wearing shoes made of infants was still visible (the gently caress was I thinking).

I don't think HP supports the sick-nasty technology these days, and I had to pay seven goddamn dollars to the recycling center to dispose of the machine it was in and that lovely drive.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug

KozmoNaut posted:

It's a widescreen, I assume?

A 32" 4:3 would be amazing and gigantic.

I've seen a couple of Sony Trinitrons like that when I've been in the US and checking out retro gaming stores. They are AMAZING, and probably about 300 lbs.

1000 Brown M and Ms
Oct 22, 2008

F:\DL>quickfli 4-clowns.fli

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Was I the only dumbass who bought a Lightscribe drive?

Probably. I had one on my first laptop circa 2006, but it came with the machine so I didn't pay extra. I was always curious about it but apparently you needed special CDs to use it so I never bothered. Good to know I wasn't missing out on much.

Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

30% Iron Chef

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Was I the only dumbass who bought a Lightscribe drive?

I didn't buy it for that feature, but the optical drive in my last desktop supported Lightscribe. I got some (relatively) okay results using it for some GBS mix-CD exchanges a while back, but I didn't realize they had such a longevity problem. I'll have to dig around and see if I have any leftover copies to check out.

Lightscribe generally seemed like a solution in search of a problem. I mean, it's neat if you want to give a burned disc as part of a gift or something, but how often did that ever happen? For a disc I'm making for my own use, I'm going to grab a Sharpie and scrawl a title as quickly as possible, not sit around for 10–20 minutes waiting for Lightscribe.

XYZ
Aug 31, 2001

Grumbletron 4000 posted:

I used this for my gaming needs right up until the PS2 era.



Small, but probably the best thing for old consoles I know of. I regret passing it on to a nephew when I got a PS2 and started using my awesome for the day 27" JVC TV.

A 1702 served me very well as a child, first doing its intended job as a monitor for our VIC-20, then it served as my bedroom TV using a VCR as a tuner. NES looked nice, even though because I didn't know any better, it was hooked up via RF. :negative:

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Curiously enough, a CD full of techno fared far better than the others (the gently caress was I thinking), and the image from an old SA thread of a 3D rendered Captain America wearing shoes made of infants was still visible (the gently caress was I thinking).

Well don't loving leave us hanging, post that lovely 2005-era techno and whatever the gently caress is on the Something Awful disc.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


XYZ posted:

A 1702 served me very well as a child, first doing its intended job as a monitor for our VIC-20, then it served as my bedroom TV using a VCR as a tuner. NES looked nice, even though because I didn't know any better, it was hooked up via RF. :negative:

Depending on which NES you had, RF may have been your only option.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

Scout Finch Bitch

hackbunny posted:

Your example is stupid because films were meant to be played on a projector and the quality had to be lowered for TV (CRT emulation doesn't lower the quality of old games). A better example would be old TV shows, that absolutely were shot with TV in mind, on TV friendly media, at TV resolutions, and they do look terrible upscaled for HDTV

A better example would be things like the recent HD/widescreen conversions of shows that were never designed to be seen in widescreen. Stuff like how in the widescreen version of Buffy you can just seen extras and occasionally crew just chillin' because they're technically out of the shot.

XYZ
Aug 31, 2001

KozmoNaut posted:

Depending on which NES you had, RF may have been your only option.

Front loader.

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GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice

Pham Nuwen posted:

Well don't loving leave us hanging, post that lovely 2005-era techno and whatever the gently caress is on the Something Awful disc.

All techno sounds the same so just imagine beeps and boops and a bassline



The Captain America half of this image was what was on it so it sort of looked like this



with the center hole where his dick is

I've done lots of dumb things for the internet but I'm not driving 1,100 miles to a garbage dump to dig for a CD I threw away a week ago so that will have to do, lo siento

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