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El Estrago Bonito posted:A better example would be things like the recent HD/widescreen conversions of shows that were never designed to be seen in widescreen. Stuff like how in the widescreen version of Buffy you can just seen extras and occasionally crew just chillin' because they're technically out of the shot. I think you can see the same thing with Malcolm in the Middle on Netflix. There's a scene in a classroom where a kid walks up to find a seat and is told they're all taken yet on one side of the screen you can see a row of empty seats. They just knew it would be cut out on 4:3, I'm just surprised somebody okayed using the widescreen instead later on.
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BuddyChrist posted:I think you can see the same thing with Malcolm in the Middle on Netflix. There's a scene in a classroom where a kid walks up to find a seat and is told they're all taken yet on one side of the screen you can see a row of empty seats. They just knew it would be cut out on 4:3, I'm just surprised somebody okayed using the widescreen instead later on. It's legitimately funnier than any given episode of the show though
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A similar thing happened with TNG and the recent update to Blu Ray. The big issue there is that it was edited on video tape, but another issue is that the sets were designed with the limitations of TVs of 1987, and they used tricks like taping construction paper over glass panels so they wouldn't reflect the lights. I mean, the computer consoles are supposed to be black anyway and nobody will be able to tell on a lovely transmission on a lovely TV right? Honestly I don't know how they dealt with this in depth because I'm not shelling out $100+ a season for TNG (if I had the cash I would but...) on Blu Ray, but I know they kept the show 4:3 and I don't understand why other shows use the widescreen cuts when it wasn't shot with that intention. As for the SFX, that was easy: they just took the raw film footage and recreated all of it from scratch.
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Oct 21, 2016 00:43
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HD Widescreen is more saleable for syndication. Some stuff doesn't look too terrible, a lot of what I've seen of Seinfeld is alright though I do remember one scene shot in a car not having the chroma key replaced, it was all blue screen. Seems they just forgot?
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KozmoNaut posted:It's a widescreen, I assume? evobatman posted:I've seen a couple of Sony Trinitrons like that when I've been in the US and checking out retro gaming stores. They are AMAZING, and probably about 300 lbs. I have a 32" 4:3 Trinitron sitting in my living room. It died a few months ago after 15 years of constant use. It needs to be thrown out but I can't carry it by myself and nobody wants to help me  I wanted to hold on to that TV forever to play my retro consoles on but I sold all my old game poo poo a couple of years ago anyway.
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4:3 vs HD framing really was an odd point of contention around 2004 or so where shows were being aired with the possibility they'd be cropped to 4:3 but released in 16:9 for DVD. I recall Joss Whedon making a comment about it on the Firefly DVDs saying they made sure the framing was able to sit between the two ratios. HD being the norm did throw up some interesting issues as set design and makeup had to up it's game with actors freaking out that they would suddenly look old. I think desperate housewives was one such show that had issues. I recall Battlestar Galactica being pointed out with Edward James Olmos's acne scars being described as the surface of the moon. It also meant you couldn't cheat as much so expensive silverware had to be proper and more detailing applied to the sets so they wouldn't look so fake. As for TNG that's got an interesting history.0 Back when it was released it was (I think) the earliest show to scan film digitally and then use it to composite complex effects. The main reason why it worked was because they were scanning down from 35mm to SD so they were able to effectively work within the computer limitations of the day as software like Paintbox allowed digital compositing that was impossible optically. Before digital compositing something like the Enterprise flyby requires several passes on a motion control rig to cover different lighting elements such as the windows, navigation lights, fill and key and so on. On top of that you had to create mattes and counter mates to cut out elements and then additional work such as phasers and torpedoes. Each of these bits of film would be optically printed together for the final shot. The big issues were that each print was known as a generation and subsequently would loose it's quality as it got printed over with another shot. In some cases to keep up the quality the film negative was wound back and the new elements filmed over the top. Which was problematic if there was a mistake. Plus on top of that you had film grain building up as the layers got sandwiched together so the final result could have a poor match with the plate. It's why big budget effects were shot on 65 or 70mm film as that allowed the best quality with the finest grain and fitted in neater when scaled down. It's also why older effects don't fit in nicely as they were often shot on different kinds of stocks so until digital color correction came about there was very little you could do to get a perfect match in the lab to remove that odd hue. It meant that when the series was remastered for HD any matte paintings like planets or set extensions had to be remade as they were only scanned in or painted in SD. They did debate using 16:9 but realised that most of the effects were shot for 4:3 so you'd have to paint extensions on every shot which would have been costly or reframe by zooming in which would have made everything softer and you loose information top and bottom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPHP5izB8MU
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My first exposure to Edward James Olmos was a VHS copy of Selena and even then his face looked like the surface of the moon Now a close-up of Laurence Fishburne's face on an IMAX screening of The Matrix Reloaded, that was a sight to behold.
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KozmoNaut posted:At least LPs have awesome huge cover art compared to CDs. VHS has no benefits over DVD, other than home recording. And I don't see laserdisc getting the same kind of revival as vinyl, it was too much of a niche format, whereas vinyl absolutely dominated consumer music formats for decades. That and the physicality of the format cause me to accept it completely as a collector thing. There is something viscerally satisfying about this big plastic disc that physically encodes sound, even if it's really not optimal for sound reproduction.
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Oct 21, 2016 02:34
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With how long it took for sets to catch up to HD I gotta wonder how long it'll be before they figure out how to make them look good above 24FPS.
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evobatman posted:I've seen a couple of Sony Trinitrons like that when I've been in the US and checking out retro gaming stores. They are AMAZING, and probably about 300 lbs. When a friend of mine and I got an apartment together in '99, the first thing I bought was a brand new Trinitron 35" 4:3 set for our upstairs apartment. We moved the first one ourselves, and then when it crapped out, I let them deliver it. It was ridiculously heavy.
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Oct 21, 2016 03:40
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My current apartment that I moved into in late 2012 came with a 32-inch Trinitron because neither the previous tenant nor the landlord wanted to move the drat thing. Being cheapasses we hooked a Blu-Ray player up to it and got by using it as a way to watch Netflix and play our older video games for two years. After which we nearly died moving it and its stand one loving room over.
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Oct 21, 2016 03:43
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It turns out you can order a 34 inch Trinitron on Amazon, and for a fee, they will send someone to mount it on your wall. Sadly, it isn't eligible for free two day shipping with Amazon Prime.
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Konstantin posted:It turns out you can order a 34 inch Trinitron on Amazon, and for a fee, they will send someone to mount it on your wall. Sadly, it isn't eligible for free two day shipping with Amazon Prime. $110 on shipping alone  Reasonable given that it's enormous, heavy, and fragile but still dang
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Humerus posted:A similar thing happened with TNG and the recent update to Blu Ray. The big issue there is that it was edited on video tape, but another issue is that the sets were designed with the limitations of TVs of 1987, and they used tricks like taping construction paper over glass panels so they wouldn't reflect the lights. I mean, the computer consoles are supposed to be black anyway and nobody will be able to tell on a lovely transmission on a lovely TV right? The remastered versions are on Netflix and Amazon Prime Video, just FYI.
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Humerus posted:A similar thing happened with TNG and the recent update to Blu Ray. The big issue there is that it was edited on video tape, but another issue is that the sets were designed with the limitations of TVs of 1987, and they used tricks like taping construction paper over glass panels so they wouldn't reflect the lights. I mean, the computer consoles are supposed to be black anyway and nobody will be able to tell on a lovely transmission on a lovely TV right? In the HD telecasts of "Seinfeld" (which was originally shot on film), you can easily read the in-jokey titles scrawled in black Sharpie on the labels of Jerry's home-recorded videotapes that were obviously never expected to be legible onscreen when the sets were first put together. Here's an example; click for bigger:  Easy Love! Lips + You! Rug Burn! I remember one episode where the most prominent videotape in the foreground simply had "THE TITLE" written on its label.
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tacodaemon posted:In the HD telecasts of "Seinfeld" (which was originally shot on film), you can easily read the in-jokey titles scrawled in black Sharpie on the labels of Jerry's home-recorded videotapes that were obviously never expected to be legible onscreen when the sets were first put together. Here's an example; click for bigger: There was a thread on NintendoAge a number of years ago what was obsessed with a few of the boxes on that shelf. One dude thought it was some super rare Sim City variant.
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I don't have a link handy, but there was an article a while back about Dreamworks having a warehouse full of CRTs, because their entire workflow had the colors calibrated to be accurate on one specific model and hoarding them turned out to be more cost-effective than reconfiguring everything for newer monitors.
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Anil Dasharez0ne posted:I don't have a link handy, but there was an article a while back about Dreamworks having a warehouse full of CRTs, because their entire workflow had the colors calibrated to be accurate on one specific model and hoarding them turned out to be more cost-effective than reconfiguring everything for newer monitors. I know the article you are referring to and am 50% sure it was on wired. I can't find poo poo anymore. The photos were really cool.
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I really appreciate the effort they put into remastering TNG, unfortunately it wasn't cost effective so they will never do it with DS9.
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CubanMissile posted:I really appreciate the effort they put into remastering TNG, unfortunately it wasn't cost effective so they will never do it with DS9. DS9 used computer-generated effects for a good chunk of its run, and a bunch of the modeling data was found among a former employee's backup storage. With any luck they'll make a similar find for the other effects company they worked with, and they'll be able to remaster more easily than they did for TNG.
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I wonder how the CG would hold up in HD, they'd probably have to touch it up a bit before they render it out.
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SwissCM posted:I wonder how the CG would hold up in HD, they'd probably have to touch it up a bit before they render it out. There was an interview a while back with the guy who had all the effects files, and he said the cg models were way overbuilt for SD. The pictures he posted looked a ton better than they did in the show, but even he admitted they'd want to touch them up before they did an HD render.
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I watched TOS about a year ago and was impressed by the careful and judicious use of CG touch ups and replacements for model fly bys. They mostly let the corny zero budget 60s effects stand while painting out wires and zippers and such.
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A lot of people don't like the TOS remaster, but I think it's alright. They capture the essence of the look of the show well enough while not looking like a blurry mess.
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Someone in here might be able to help with my dilemma. Trying to find a free media player that will actually play physical Bluray or HDDVD movies on Windows 10. I thought VLC would do it, but nope! I was surprised it's such a difficult thing to do now. Humphreys has a new favorite as of 05:25 on Oct 23, 2016 |
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Combined Community Codec Pack does on my system, using the included MPC-HC
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Combined Community Codec Pack does on my system, using the included MPC-HC Thanks for the tip. I just gave it a go and it recognizes the disc and chapters. It says it's playing but no video showing. I got a half second of audio at one point though. EDIT: OK so I got a disc to play by installing the CCCP pack, the standalone MPC-HC and DVDFab PassKey! No menus but movie works perfectly. Thanks for putting me onto the path to success. Now to find a HDDVD I have around here somewhere and see if this drive will read it too. Humphreys has a new favorite as of 07:01 on Oct 23, 2016 |
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Humphreys posted:Someone in here might be able to help with my dilemma. Trying to find a free media player that will actually play physical Bluray or HDDVD movies on Windows 10. I thought VLC would do it, but nope! There actually is a simple, free option that works with menus and everything, but for whatever reason it doesn't surface in search results very well: http://www.leawo.com/blu-ray-player/
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techknight posted:There actually is a simple, free option that works with menus and everything, but for whatever reason it doesn't surface in search results very well: http://www.leawo.com/blu-ray-player/ Thank you! This works well.
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Hey Los Angegoons: the GoodWill Superstore at Fletcher Square (by Glendale) has quite the treat for you if you have $100 to spare. This awesome suitcase projector has a SILENT / FILM speed toggle, includes 1/8 ports for external speakers, and has loving vacuum tubes on the inside, as well as a FUCKLOAD of dead daddy longlegseses. It's missing the power cable and lens, so who knows where to get those things to finish it up. Sadly, the wife didn't think $100 would be well spent on a project like this.
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I find those biweekly at any goodwill, though not always that high. Briefcase projectors are actually pretty worthless.
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SwissCM posted:A lot of people don't like the TOS remaster, but I think it's alright. They capture the essence of the look of the show well enough while not looking like a blurry mess. Which version added all of the cheap looking CGI stuff to it?
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Which version added all of the cheap looking CGI stuff to it? There's only the original releases and the 2006 remasters.
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KozmoNaut posted:This is Something Awful. GBS and BYOB shitposters seem to labor under the illusion that they can interact in meaningful ways with normal human beings. quote:To make sure every Goomba stomp looks as authentic as possible, all games can be played in three display modes. With the CRT filter, a scan-line effect is added to the screen to give everything that oh-so-retro look and feel. 4:3 is a sharp, clean look that adheres to the original aspect ratio used by the NES. And when playing in Pixel Perfect mode, every pixel is shown as a perfect square, providing the most accurate representation of the games as they were originally designed. 
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Oct 24, 2016 09:02
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"As they were originally designed", not "as they were meant to be displayed" 
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KozmoNaut posted:"As they were originally designed", not "as they were meant to be displayed" I guess it's a bit unclear, I mean if you really nitpick at the words, how can you represent how something was designed?
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ITT: Nintendo made every videogame of the twentieth century.
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"22yo marketdroid writes ad copy, doesn't understand old technology"
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"But Pixel Perfect mode looks just like Shovel Knight!"
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I mean, most (Nintendo developed) SNES games do make circles round at the system's internal aspect ratio of 8:7, but then on the other hand, Sega tended to develop with 4:3 in mind since the Genesis had two resolutions and a lot of games switched between the two. In short, it's complicated and who cares.
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