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The folks saying that San Junipero's "heaven on earth" doesn't actually mean immortality because it's a duplicate of the individual's consciousness are, I think, missing that the most critical aspect of said "immortality" is the gapless experience of that individual's consciousness. The Ship of Theseus parallel was brought up earlier, and I think that's a better example (though on a practical level not a perfect comparison at all) of what's happening in the episode. I guess it could be argued that we don't ever actually have this explained fully by the text itself, but as I saw it, the experience for the user is, essentially: - Real-world you, still awake, places the diode thingy on their temple. - Real-world you slips into sleep or unconsciousness. - You—absent of your real-world body—wake up in San Junipero, or wherever you please. - You get to enjoy that world forever, if you choose. In this case, while the physical aspects of you are abandoned to dust, the mental aspect—the "you"—hasn't ceased to be at any point. Just as you don't cease to exist as an individual when you're dreaming, you don't cease to exist as an individual when you pass over into San Junipero. It's just a purely intangible version of you that, in the physical world, exists only as bits and bytes.
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LadyPictureShow posted:I'd recommend going out of order and not watching Hated in the Nation last. I thought it was boring as all get-out, and I'd rank it below even the Waldo episode. I know others have ranked the episodes, I'd say 342156 (and 6 is in dead last by a huge margin). Again, I'm being that annoying person and not reading posts yet, but thanks a ton for the heads up.
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Oct 27, 2016 17:16
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So my husband has never seen Black Mirror. I showed him Nosedive and he hated it  He did like the production design, music, and overall aesthetic. But he just couldn't identify with or care about the main character.He's still willing to give the show another chance. Debating between showing him White Christmas (he loves Jon Hamm) or San Junipero (he likes romantic dramas and 80s music). Which one do you guys think is the better episode? They're both so good in such different ways, I can't decide!
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ghost emoji posted:So my husband has never seen Black Mirror. I showed him Nosedive and he hated it White Christmas without a doubt.
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Oct 27, 2016 17:28
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I love Black Mirror and thought Nosedive was the weakest of the batch. San Junipero's my personal recommendation (especially for that music, holy god), but it's also not really typical Black Mirror. White Christmas absolutely is.
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Oct 27, 2016 17:29
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ghost emoji posted:So my husband has never seen Black Mirror. I showed him Nosedive and he hated it Based on his complaint I'd say San Junipero. Tell him there's a Jon Hamm episode too after he's seen that.
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Oct 27, 2016 17:29
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DoggPickle posted:Again, I'm being that annoying person and not reading posts yet, but thanks a ton for the heads up. Just in case you read this post, I disagree and think the order is fine as is, and that the last episode is good.
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Oct 27, 2016 17:53
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Nosedive is boring. White Christmas is a great choice.
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Oct 27, 2016 18:13
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Shut Up And Dance "That's The Way I Like It" is playing in the background when the paedo dude is smiling at the little girl, looooooooooool. EDIT: Also, the malware remover he uses is called Shrive. As in, to confess one's sins. lolololol. Disgusting Coward fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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Oct 27, 2016 18:17
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I'm kind of surprised no one seems to like Playtest. I guess the ultimate ending was kind of lame but goddamn some of those visuals were truly nightmarish to me. I guess since i almost never watch horror movies I'm not used to it. I also liked Wyatt Russell, I thought he had a good amount of smarm and conveyed being scared and then dealing with it being the game well.
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Oct 27, 2016 18:23
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San Junipero is the episode you show someone who has no interest in what BM usually does. It's also good as a fan of the show because it does something different from the rest and pulls it off really well. But it's definitely not the one to show someone in an attempt to get them into the show. That would just be misleading!
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Oct 27, 2016 19:00
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Borrowed Ladder posted:I'm kind of surprised no one seems to like Playtest. I guess the ultimate ending was kind of lame but goddamn some of those visuals were truly nightmarish to me. I guess since i almost never watch horror movies I'm not used to it. I also liked Wyatt Russell, I thought he had a good amount of smarm and conveyed being scared and then dealing with it being the game well. I really liked Playtest for the same reasons, but I keep seeing it at the bottom of everyone's lists... Even Charlie Brooker came out and said he just wanted a spooky scary episode that was fun, which Playtest knocked out the park, and there were only a couple smarmy moments for Wyatt Russell. It's ahead of the "What if dehumanizing the enemy, but too much" & Blue's Bizzare Bee Blowout IMO.
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Oct 27, 2016 19:17
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I should watch White Bear again but I absolutely hated it when I did. The twist at the end did not retroactively make me enjoy the really bad episode before the twist. But then again, when you get right down to it, the only thing that makes me love 15 Million Merits as much as I do is that it ends the way it does. It's an episode that could have been done without any SFX or setting it in the future; all you have to do is make it about a Slam Poet and almost literally nothing changes. You still have the exact same theme of "selling out to buy in to tell people how much you haven't sold out".
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Oct 27, 2016 20:37
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I showed a friend San Junipero first, and she loved it. Then I showed her White Bear. 
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:Trying to do it San Junipero style has some deep philosophical hurdles. the game soma goes over a similar idea really well. the problem in san junipero is you seem to actually be able to transfer consciousness completely (as you can do visits while alive and remember what happened in the simulation when you wake up in the real world) as opposed to just make a copy of your consciousness inside the server as would happen in typical brain uploading scenarios - as happens in soma. Regy Rusty posted:San Junipero is the episode you show someone who has no interest in what BM usually does. It's also good as a fan of the show because it does something different from the rest and pulls it off really well. this is why even though san junipero is a great episode i have to give the top mark for this season to shut up and dance because it's totally black mirror and san junipero isn't. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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Oct 27, 2016 23:44
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None of the stories seemed willing to commit to their theme, and ended up just going all over the place as a result. And everything was about a half hour too long as well.
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Oct 27, 2016 23:56
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did you just watch the sixth episode six times?
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Oct 27, 2016 23:57
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Just caught this, and I liked almost every episode to some extent, besides Nosedive. It felt like 15 Million Merits but utterly stupid. Like the message of 'all this status stuff is meaningless, worry about what matters and is real and important!' completely falls apart when the show is constantly showing us that your user-rating has massive and demonstrable benefits in the real world. It's like trying to have the metaphor of 'money isn't what really matters.' work when you have a wealthy millionaire telling a poor person that money isn't really that important.
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Oct 28, 2016 00:42
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Like the message of 'all this status stuff is meaningless, worry about what matters and is real and important!' That's not the message.
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Oct 28, 2016 00:48
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Nosedive takes on a somewhat funny angle if you've been watching Schur's new show The Good Place (which is really, well, good). One of its basic premises is that your entry into Heaven is dependent on accumulating enough "points" via good deeds, and one of the main characters is an insufferable fake try-hard who "technically" did a lot of good in her life.
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Oct 28, 2016 01:34
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Nosedive is seriously making me rethink about my obsession with Social Media
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Oct 28, 2016 02:25
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Nosedive had a very obvious message about class dynamics and the importance of meaningful relationships which I'm not sure how anyone could possibly miss
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Oct 28, 2016 06:51
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precision posted:But then again, when you get right down to it, the only thing that makes me love 15 Million Merits as much as I do is that it ends the way it does. It's an episode that could have been done without any SFX or setting it in the future; all you have to do is make it about a Slam Poet and almost literally nothing changes. You still have the exact same theme of "selling out to buy in to tell people how much you haven't sold out". There is no option to take down the system, though. The only options are to keep fighting the system futilely, or to play the game. The best way to tell people your anti-system message is to sell out in order to be given a voice to do so. Of course this does undermine your message as it is now this very system that gave you your voice. This is something I liked about 15 Million Merits, the main character did not have some alternative option where he actually succeeds in tearing down the system, he joins it because the only other option is to sit back down on his bike, forever, without ever being able to fight the system again. Nosedive kind of does the same thing, it shows how hosed up stuff is but it also shows why it is so hard to effect change from the inside. My first reaction to it was thinking that it wouldn't work because it would just turn into a giant circlejerk where everybody 5s everybody because it's in their own best interest (since the receiver will be likely to reciprocate). And something similar to ratings on sites like Amazon where you can buy a bunch of 5 star reviews from a third party. But then the episode goes on to show us that it is broken in exactly that way, but you cannot escape it even if you realize that.
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Oct 28, 2016 08:11
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precision posted:But then again, when you get right down to it, the only thing that makes me love 15 Million Merits as much as I do is that it ends the way it does. It's an episode that could have been done without any SFX or setting it in the future; all you have to do is make it about a Slam Poet and almost literally nothing changes. You still have the exact same theme of "selling out to buy in to tell people how much you haven't sold out". You (and everyone) should watch Network.
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Oct 28, 2016 08:32
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Zenithe posted:You (and everyone) should watch Network. The film? Yeah, it's awesome.
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Oct 28, 2016 09:04
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I like Film Crit Hulk a lot usually but his article on Black Mirror is a piece of poo poo it's basically "why isn't this show woke, 0/10"
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Escobarbarian posted:I like Film Crit Hulk a lot usually but his article on Black Mirror is a piece of poo poo it's basically "why isn't this show woke, 0/10" Yer, there are some good points - the 15 million merits 'purity myth' one is something that is played upon in the episode and depending on your viewpoint and experiences I could see how that could detract from (what I see as) the actual message about pop culture and conformity but it's all hidden under stuff like this for White Bear; quote:
and it becomes a bit weird. To the point where I don't know if there was a step missed in the analysis or that he just didn't understand the ending. Total Meatlove fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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Oct 28, 2016 11:56
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Yeah i can see why they'd want to bury criticism of that caliber under such a fun and approachable gimmick
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Oct 28, 2016 12:08
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Hated in the Nation could one have averted the beepocalypse by wearing pulling your shirt over your face or throwing on a motorbike helmet or something? Also Patrick from Coupling is still super handsome. Zenithe fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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Oct 28, 2016 12:34
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It sounds like the main misstep in that Film Crit Hulk example is not picking up on UK tabloid culture, instead linking it to Black Lives Matter for some reason.
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Oct 28, 2016 12:34
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Zenithe posted:Hated in the Nation could one have averted the beepocalypse by wearing pulling your shirt over your face or throwing on a motorbike helmet or something? Maybe they're programmed to kill people who cover their face? Otherwise, yes. I assume Groucho glasses would be the perfect solution.
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Oct 28, 2016 12:42
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Lt. Danger posted:It sounds like the main misstep in that Film Crit Hulk example is not picking up on UK tabloid culture, instead linking it to Black Lives Matter for some reason. w/r/t White Bear, absolutely. and then when he was confronted on it he just went "but Black Lives Matter is a thing in the UK too!!!!" ignoring the fact the episode is coming up to four years old.
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Oct 28, 2016 12:54
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Zenithe posted:Hated in the Nation could one have averted the beepocalypse by wearing pulling your shirt over your face or throwing on a motorbike helmet or something? Who knows what might've worked against them if people had had more time to figure it out, but it did seem they had a good amount of memory and collaboration as they followed the third victim to the safehouse and then swarmed the house together. They were definitely able to keep track of where their target was.
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Oct 28, 2016 13:12
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Yeah if it's a swarm like that then you'd just die of suffocation or a million cuts.
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Total Meatlove posted:hulk poo poo this is one of the dumbest things i've ever read, and i've seen my entire post history
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Oct 28, 2016 13:37
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I wanna specify that, despite the gimmick, I think he's one of the best film and TV writers on the net. But I can't loving believe how much he missed the mark there.
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Escobarbarian posted:I wanna specify that, despite the gimmick, I think he's one of the best film and TV writers on the net. But I can't loving believe how much he missed the mark there. ok well if he wants normal loving people to parse through that all-caps bullshit he can do it anytime, for now he can get hosed. I think episodes 1-4 of S3 were great but I didn't really feel 5. Felt like the overall twist was pretty weak. 6 was just a slog but I somewhat enjoyed the payoff. honestly I enjoyed them all except 5 which I felt was lame as poo poo. 3>4>1>2>6>5 Echoing what people have said about 4 not being as much a BM episode as the others so 3 had to take the cake for me, if only because it felt more believable than anything else yet.
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Total Meatlove posted:Yer, there are some good points - the 15 million merits 'purity myth' one is something that is played upon in the episode and depending on your viewpoint and experiences I could see how that could detract from (what I see as) the actual message about pop culture and conformity but it's all hidden under stuff like this for White Bear; IT'S LIKE THERE'S A SOCIOLOGICAL ASSUMPTION BEING MADE HERE...that Britain three years ago and the US right now are identical and the same things occupy their respective zeitgeists. I also took issue with this part of Hulk's analysis of The Entire History of You: quote:BUT IN THE END, THERE IS SIMPLY THIS ARGUMENT BEING PUT FORTH BY THE EPISODE... The way Hulk emphasizes "the only thing that seems right" leads me to believe they viewed Liam as an author insert, that Charlie Brooker is saying "people should not have perfect recall of their memories." When of course Liam removing his implant in the end is the only thing that seems right to him, because he's a jealous, abusive person, and it's easier to say "the grain made Ffion cheat on me, and the grain made me drive drunk, break into an acquaintance's house, attack them, and then attack my wife" than to accept that he's a deeply flawed person who married another one. Hulk's big assertion, that Black Mirror is a Crichton-esque neo-luddite work, is directly contrary to everything Charlie Brooker's actually said about the series.
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The Entire History of You is the only one Brooker didn't write but it definitely feels in line with his general ethos. I do remember a lot of reviews at the time being like "I don't care for this episode as much, because people will always be jealous, this technology hasn't changed that," and it's like, uh... yeah, reviewer, that's kind of the point. The problem isn't the tech anymore than Facebook is the problem for the guy who won't stop stalking his ex with it. He may have to cut himself off from the service, but it's still him that has issues, not social media. There are actually people watching this show who believe its strength is that it's a thinly veiled slam on those Twitter Teens who won't get off their phones and do their chores, which is super baffling.
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