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Nov 3, 2016 10:44
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Trump isn't Rubinsky he's the loser idiot guy that declares his planet independent and starts wearing a toga
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Nov 3, 2016 13:04
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Raku posted:Trump isn't Rubinsky he's the loser idiot guy that declares his planet independent and starts wearing a toga Gigantic Ego, inherited wealth, dubious finances, incompetent. This checks out.
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Nov 3, 2016 13:11
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Raku posted:Trump isn't Rubinsky he's the loser idiot guy that declares his planet independent and starts wearing a toga That guy is a bad rear end.
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Nov 3, 2016 17:17
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Look, all I know is, if it were me declaring the planet I lived on independent, I'd strongly consider wearing a toga.
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Nov 4, 2016 01:44
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i like that german space aristocrats forcing their court to cosplay ancient earth fashions from historical eras theyre fanboys for is a thing apparently
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Nov 4, 2016 02:29
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Heads up folks the first two logh books are on audible now, and the third is scheduled for 11/15. Havent listened yet but since this is how i take in most books i might be able to read these suckers now.
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Nov 4, 2016 13:53
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DamnGlitch posted:Heads up folks the first two logh books are on audible now, and the third is scheduled for 11/15. Havent listened yet but since this is how i take in most books i might be able to read these suckers now. Yessss perfect!
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Nov 4, 2016 17:33
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Zeratanis posted:Rewatching this and man, it's kind of annoying how (BIG SPOILER!) much the narrator obviously leads into Yang's death. I mean cmon! Should have been more subtle with it! Wonder if the books were the same in that regard. It'll be years until that book is revealed in English, but I'd be shocked if the foreshadowing wasn't just as blatant. Although the really amazingly blatant foreshadowing of that in the show isn't in the narration, it's in all of the ending sequences, right from the Season 1 ending, which ends with Yang disappearing, leaving Julian facing Reinhard alone. Go ahead, watch the show's first ending credits sequence again. It's blatant as gently caress. Literally all of the show's endings are some variation of Julian carrying on without Yang.
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Nov 5, 2016 04:52
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I feel like I'm one of the only people who actually liked the foreshadowing for some reason, but I'm one of those people who hears a spoiler and it makes me want to watch it even more.
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Nov 5, 2016 11:14
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 these audiobooks are great. Tim Gerard Reynolds is a kickass reader, he even manages to make the drier bits interesting. Would recommend 10/10 . Best part of the books is getting to see Yang's inner dialogue imo
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Nov 9, 2016 06:00
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I just want to congratulate President Truniht. And ask Kaiser Reinhard to hurry it the gently caress up with that invasion and occupation
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Nov 9, 2016 06:25
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yeah if I have a dictator I'd rather it be a benevolent one :|
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Nov 9, 2016 06:33
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I'm just starting to watch through LoGH For some reason I was struck by the phrase "worst possible democracy".
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Nov 9, 2016 06:40
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Tunicate posted:I'm just starting to watch through LoGH is preferable to the best autocracy. I think it’s a good principle.
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Nov 9, 2016 10:02
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chiasaur11 posted:is preferable to the best autocracy. I think it’s a good principle. Reinhard has a lot of inspiration from Alexander the Great, not least of which in his highly limited lifespan and near-complete lack of a plan or even interest in events after his death, and Reinhard's Alexander the Great echoes bring up one of the biggest problems the Empire faces: you might have a good Kaiser today, but will the next one be as benevolent? The one after that? If they aren't, you have no recourse save a bloody and possibly doomed rebellion. Look at the history stories in the show about how all the old republicans revolted after Rudolf died when Rudolf's grandson took the throne...and about how the government was OK with killing and enslaving the rebels by the hundreds of millions.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:59
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Not gonna pore through 200 posts to see if people have discussed the translated books in depth, but I am gonna drop my two cents. I have finished book 1, and am 1/3 through book 2, with book 3 on the way. I will probably have finished 2 by the time 3 arrives. The books are good - ignore people who say the translation is off. In book one I noted a grand total of one grammatical error and 4 spelling errors, which is better than most native English novels, and in my experience better than most academic texts. I have noted 2 errors in book 2. The books have a good flow and are nice and accessible, if a bit dry in tone. However, dryness is to be expected considering the nature of the story. Some of the characterisation is a tiny bit different. Yang in particular seems a little less hopeless compared to the anime, however the books note on his alcohol intake a lot more. Ultimately I find the different characterisation more interesting however. My only real issue is the continual referring to the beauty of characters and their eyes. I am not forgetting that Reinhard has ambitious eyes, you don't need to remind me every 40 pages. I recommend the books.
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Nov 20, 2016 19:43
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Another Person posted:Not gonna pore through 200 posts to see if people have discussed the translated books in depth, but I am gonna drop my two cents. I have finished book 1, and am 1/3 through book 2, with book 3 on the way. I will probably have finished 2 by the time 3 arrives. I am so looking forward to starting Volume 3. If you haven't heard, volumes 4-6 are definitely getting translated. 7-10 will depend on sales. Did you ever watch any more of the show?
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Nov 21, 2016 03:42
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Patter Song posted:I am so looking forward to starting Volume 3. Yup, I am aware of the continuation of translations and intend to support them with my wallet as much as I can. I have 3 on order already, and will buy the rest as they become available. Gotta pay the maker somehow, because I certainly am not capable of the $1000 anime. I am enjoying the books a lot, so I have no issue paying full price on release day for them, plus I need to show my respect somehow. I watched the whole show after we finished the podcast. Basically binge watched it to distract myself from lovely things happening in my life around me at the time (2016 started in 2015 for me), and it did a fantastic job of providing that distraction. It should probably come as no shock to learn that I really liked the show, considering I was the one giving it the most glowing reception of us all. I was happy to see that pretty much all of my bullshit predictions came true, with all of my timing predictions being pretty on the nose too. Dismayed I didn't get to actually grin and rub it in my cohosts faces that I was right though. I just reread them, and it looks more like a spoiler list than a prediction list, it was just so on point in so many places. I guess I really got into the characters, to understand how and when things would need a shakeup. If I was wrong about the civil wars though, literally all of my predictions would have been wrong probably. As I got more and more of my predictions right the show kinda fell into being maybe a bit too predictable - the only thing I didn't see coming by the end was the sudden death of Rein. I kind of expected him to die relatively young like many great conquerors - Alexander the Great, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Mehmed the Conqueror (conquerors do not seem to ever make it to 60) - and for the show to cover it in some fashion due to it being almost a biopic of his life. After all, by that point in the show it was playing with the concept of "will Rein's successor be the same in rulership as he was?" The way in which I expected it to cover it was via a timeskip though, to jump forward a few years and show his death and discuss the immediate proceedings. Sorta like when they covered the successors to Rudolf. LOGH may as well have been made for me. The anime I was forced to watch (forced to watch because it was expected that I would hate it, no less) turned out to be something I deeply enjoyed. I also watched some of Gaiden too. Last week, actually. It is what made me check on the books to see if they were out yet. Need to finish it mind. One Hundred Billion Stars is very good, as is Spiral Labyrinth. I enjoyed them both thoroughly. I kinda wish I had seen both of them before the rest of the show though, because they fit neatly into that position, plus they give some backstory which would have been nice going in on characters like Schonkopp. They were basically two additional seasons of the show, one covering more of Rein, and the other kinda covering Yang, but also fleshing out a lot of FPA history which was kinda missing compared to the empire. My only real issue with LOGH is that it kinda beats you around the head with moral theory on just wars without really getting too deep into any actual theory. Just hand wringing over "is this good???" without any real substance. Despite raising the issue internally none of the protagonist or perspective characters ever really seem to settle on a set of beliefs past "this war thing is a bit poo poo," and that feels like a bit of a cop out to me. In a show so full of deeply cynical and well reasoned characters they never really do much to provide distinct perspectives on a just war, they just talk around it. Only Oberstein and Trunicht really get slotted into a position which is distinctive. But that is coming from a guy who has spent the past 4 years looking at moral theory, power and the state, so perhaps my expectations are a bit much for a science fiction series.
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Nov 21, 2016 08:03
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Have any other works of Yoshiki Tanaka, or adaptations thereof, been translated to English?
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Nov 21, 2016 08:43
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Bongo Bill posted:Have any other works of Yoshiki Tanaka, or adaptations thereof, been translated to English? Also Tytania, but few people talk about that one given how it feels like a bad ripoff of LoGH.
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Nov 21, 2016 08:56
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Shinji117 posted:Pretty sure he was the writer for The Heroic Legend of Arslan, which had a 25 ep anime last year, then a much shorter 8 ep sequel this year. There's also an old OVA based on Arslan. It's not great but a good bit less crap than the show.
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Nov 21, 2016 18:44
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skasion posted:There's also an old OVA based on Arslan. It's not great but a good bit less crap than the show. The older Arslan adaptation had higher production values at the start, to be sure, but they quickly drop like a rock and that in turn makes the new anime more consistent in comparison (aside from simply covering more of the story).
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Nov 21, 2016 19:36
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Working my way through the audiobook version of Book 1, and the person they got to read it is pretty good. His Yang is a bit more snide and a little less chill than I'd like, but delivery on other parts has been excellent (the introduction of Admiral Fork's Terrible, Terrible Plan being a recent standout).
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Nov 22, 2016 00:48
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Does anybody have that picture handy that's like 'We'll turn this planet into an amusement park, I don't know how to thank you, Liberals'?
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Nov 27, 2016 23:07
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Mister Bates posted:Does anybody have that picture handy that's like 'We'll turn this planet into an amusement park, I don't know how to thank you, Liberals'? 
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Nov 27, 2016 23:19
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I don't understand the joke. Is that a thing that happens, and why
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Nov 28, 2016 06:53
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I think that is a shot taken from the Alliance invasion into the Empire.
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Nov 28, 2016 09:42
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Zero_Tactility posted:Working my way through the audiobook version of Book 1, and the person they got to read it is pretty good. His Yang is a bit more snide and a little less chill than I'd like, but delivery on other parts has been excellent (the introduction of Admiral Fork's Terrible, Terrible Plan being a recent standout). lmao that it basically predicted operation iraqi freedom
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Nov 28, 2016 10:46
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About a third of the way through Book 3. Lots of good stuff. I love the detailed bits about Mittermeyer, von Reuenthal, and von Oberstein. Subtlest name change: Rupert Kesserling is now Rupert Kesselring. That might be my new favorite l/r confusion.
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Dec 10, 2016 16:58
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Amazon can't seem to find a copy for me to send out. They have been searching for stock since it came out, despite me preordering a while back now. rip me
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Dec 14, 2016 14:20
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wielder posted:The older Arslan adaptation had higher production values at the start, to be sure, but they quickly drop like a rock and that in turn makes the new anime more consistent in comparison (aside from simply covering more of the story). I agree. To Studio Pierrot's credit, trying to animate mass battle scenes by hand sounds like a hell and a half, so I'm willing to turn a blind eye to the use of CGI. The story's still interesting to follow, and they know where to funnel the budget when it's needed (Daryun's fight with Hilmes, Etoile's murder attempt on Arslan after the Count commits suicide, etc.). The only thing that bothers me is that it was based off of Arakawa's manga and she reused a whole bunch of FMA character designs (Daryun's a less psychotic Kimblee; Etoile is Riza Hawkeye minus five or six years; Arslan looks like human Alphonse; Andragoras is Fuhrer King Bradley with a beard; and so on), which takes me a bit out of the world.
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Dec 16, 2016 06:00
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quote:The security guard that von Schönkopf recommended was one Warrant Officer Louis Machungo. With glossy dark skin, upper arms as thick as Yang's thighs, a broad-chested hulk of a body, and charmingly rounded, light-brown eyes complementing a strong jawline, he gave an impression not unlike that of a gentle ox. Those huge muscles could probably unleash a hurricane of overwhelming force the moment he got angry, though. 
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Dec 20, 2016 00:51
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Are there any updates on the new adaptation yet, or is it still just '2017'?
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Mar 30, 2017 01:29
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A bit earlier, there was discussion about the historical documentary episode and whether it was filler or not. One thing I found interesting was that it showed that Rudolf von Goldenbaum had some interesting parallels with Reinhard. He was a hugely popular military commander who wanted to reform the old Galactic Republic which was considered hugely corrupt. Presumably, he was not elected on a platform of autocracy and eugenics, so it could be that his regime turned out that way not because he originally intended it to be that way, but because he got paranoid and desperately wanted to keep power by any means. If not for his early death, Reinhard might have turned out like Rudolf. Instead, the narrator implied that the Empire turned itself into a constitutional monarchy through a series of reforms under Hildegard's regency and ,once he came of age, Alexander's reign.
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May 2, 2017 11:35
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Kopijeger posted:Presumably, he was not elected on a platform of autocracy and eugenics Not sure we can actually presume this. Autocracy and eugenics go in and out of fashion with the times. Rudolf rose to power through demagoguery in a time where his society sucked, it's entirely possible he made strongman image a part of himself from the get go. Kopijeger posted:Instead, the narrator implied that the Empire turned itself into a constitutional monarchy through a series of reforms under Hildegard's regency and ,once he came of age, Alexander's reign. Is this implicit? It's clear Reinhard intended for this to happen, but it's not clear to me that it actually does. Reinhard himself having no respect for the dynastic principle, I don't see why his remaining admirals would, particularly if a kid and his mom attempted to bind them to the rule of law.
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May 2, 2017 12:14
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It helps their chances that the highest ranking admiral remaining is probably the most sympathetic, least ambitious one.
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May 2, 2017 12:28
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Kopijeger posted:A bit earlier, there was discussion about the historical documentary episode and whether it was filler or not. One thing I found interesting was that it showed that Rudolf von Goldenbaum had some interesting parallels with Reinhard. He was a hugely popular military commander who wanted to reform the old Galactic Republic which was considered hugely corrupt. Presumably, he was not elected on a platform of autocracy and eugenics, so it could be that his regime turned out that way not because he originally intended it to be that way, but because he got paranoid and desperately wanted to keep power by any means. If not for his early death, Reinhard might have turned out like Rudolf. Instead, the narrator implied that the Empire turned itself into a constitutional monarchy through a series of reforms under Hildegard's regency and ,once he came of age, Alexander's reign. I thought Rudolf started out by preaching eugenics and wanted to cleanse society of physical and presumably mental and social weaknesses. Reinhard on the other hand always wanted a meritocracy. You could be a cognitively impaired inbred royal plagued by genetic problems but you could still be and do whatever you want as long as you had the capability. skasion posted:Is this implicit? It's clear Reinhard intended for this to happen, but it's not clear to me that it actually does. Reinhard himself having no respect for the dynastic principle, I don't see why his remaining admirals would, particularly if a kid and his mom attempted to bind them to the rule of law. All of Reinhardt's generals were pretty loyal to the Empire though and I don't think any of them would have cause to rebel at the end. Even Reuenthal only rebelled because he was framed but once the Empire had consolidated and Hildegarde's regency in place, it's hard to imagine any of them being able or even wanting to carve out a bigger slice. I don't know if we ever go to a constitutional monarchy though but there was definitely a bit about how Hildegard was able to hold everything together and institute all the reforms before her son came to power. After that, presumably Felix or someone else later tears everything down again and history repeats itself until hundreds to thousands of years later where the stories become legends and the you get that documentary episode.
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May 2, 2017 12:35
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Kegslayer posted:I thought Rudolf started out by preaching eugenics and wanted to cleanse society of physical and presumably mental and social weaknesses. It wasn't explicit what his platform was, but it seemed like political corruption was the primary social ill he was campaigning against. The eugenics thing seems like something that would only be implemented once he had a firm grasp of power. Then again, there aren't many details about what kind of man Rudolf was before he came to power, but it seems like one possible way to interpret the character. quote:All of Reinhardt's generals were pretty loyal to the Empire though and I don't think any of them would have cause to rebel at the end. Even Reuenthal only rebelled because he was framed but once the Empire had consolidated and Hildegarde's regency in place, it's hard to imagine any of them being able or even wanting to carve out a bigger slice. The ending narration seemed to imply that the galaxy will enter an era of relative stability under the Lohengramm dynasty and not fall apart in the short term. Of course, it also implied that eventually it will decay and the cycle will start anew, but that will probably take centuries.
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Kopijeger posted:The ending narration seemed to imply that the galaxy will enter an era of relative stability under the Lohengramm dynasty and not fall apart in the short term. Of course, it also implied that eventually it will decay and the cycle will start anew, but that will probably take centuries. It's torn down 50 years later by an upstart amazonian warrior society formed by the bastard female children of Reuenthal, Poplin, and Schenkopf. Julian is actually only important as a foil for Katerose von Kreutzer.
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