Fooz posted:

Waverhouse posted:

But why go through all the trouble of making Bernard be a host this whole time? The scene where you see Bernard talking to his wife about their dead son is done in a way to parallel how Dolores talks about her own sense of loss. We are meant to believe that Dolores is becoming more human because she expressing something similar to Bernards real human emotion. If Bernard is a robot, that connection gets messed up.

Besides, what does Bernard being a host really buy us, story-wise? Arnold is still alive somehow in the hosts brains, Ford tells Dolores as much, we don't need a replica of him around also for this Arnold = ghost in the machine idea to still work. Also: if we're going to accept this whole idea that Bernard is a host, then we don't need AI or another host to explain away his wife: you could just say Ford is implanting all these false memories in his head. That introduces the possibility that we can't really trust any of the scenes that Bernard is in because they might be implanted memories because the writers want to say "Have you questioned the nature of your reality?" with jazz hands and a spooky voice.

I'm putting my money on the idea that HBO is above a Shyamalan level twist.

Junkfist posted:

Set intelligence to 20 set loyalty to 20 ok now tell me how to get rich???

Crash74 posted:

Maeve: you better decrease my loyalty because gently caress you lol

Sylvester: oh uhh humm maybe justttt maby crazy robot lady is gonna try and kill us when i give her super strength and super intelligence sooo im gonna mash loyalty +5, yea that sounds like a good idea.

VendaGoat posted:

I could say other things... But I am enjoining this....

unlawfulsoup posted:

I am a sucker for sci-fi/AI stuff so I am enjoying it too.

That said, the loving idiots making the robots smarter deserve a Darwin award. I would have dialed her intelligence down to 'reddit poster' or at least 'SA poster'. Failing that I would have run up a staircase to the guy who has the gun, because we all know that robots and stairs.

Useless Rabbit posted:

I'm pretty sure that was a nod to the original Westworld movie. It looked posed just like Yul Brenner here.

feedmyleg posted:

Man, having the computer reveal the excess aberrant park specimens is straight out of the Jurassic Park novel.

override367 posted:

Interesting historical note on this, the nuclear codes were set to 00000000 for 20 years,

Gay Horney posted:

I wonder if ford is trying to destroy the maze through his canyon moving project. Big question is how adversarial he is towards Arnold. Also what happened with Wyatt geographically? He and his goons hosed Teddy up but now he's south of the border?

bullet3 posted:

Think I'm pretty much done with this show.

Convoluted, muddled storytelling is not the same thing as a smart complex narrative, and Westworld is firmly in the former.
The more time they spend on the people running the park, the more you realize how utterly boring and lame everyone except Anthony Hopkins is.

It really feels like a first draft that they never had time to polish, with key moments that should be a really big deal falling flat.
Like Maeve seeing the robot manufacturing stuff, that should be a huge emotional sequence (and based on the setup in the pilot, you'd expect Dolores to get that moment), but it's glossed over way too quickly as just another plot beat (and on top of that the whole time you're distracted by how stupid the techs are, and how it makes no sense that they aren't immediately caught).

I've given it the benefit of the doubt, but its 6 hours in, and they still haven't done a good job of laying out the rules of how the park works, so you have no baseline to ground things.
I see no way they're going to tie up the million loose ends they've introduced at this point. People are setting themselves up for disappointment.

bullet3 posted:

Think I'm pretty much done with this show.

Convoluted, muddled storytelling is not the same thing as a smart complex narrative, and Westworld is firmly in the former.
The more time they spend on the people running the park, the more you realize how utterly boring and lame everyone except Anthony Hopkins is.

It really feels like a first draft that they never had time to polish, with key moments that should be a really big deal falling flat.
Like Maeve seeing the robot manufacturing stuff, that should be a huge emotional sequence (and based on the setup in the pilot, you'd expect Dolores to get that moment), but it's glossed over way too quickly as just another plot beat (and on top of that the whole time you're distracted by how stupid the techs are, and how it makes no sense that they aren't immediately caught).

I've given it the benefit of the doubt, but its 6 hours in, and they still haven't done a good job of laying out the rules of how the park works, so you have no baseline to ground things.
I see no way they're going to tie up the million loose ends they've introduced at this point. People are setting themselves up for disappointment.

Hollismason posted:

Yeah I just don't believe that there is a literal maze that Arnold built in the park.

Gay Horney posted:

You've posted about it three times on this page. You are now entering a deep and dreamless slumber

Hollismason posted:

*resets your rear end in a top hat level to 1*

Fooz posted:

Yeah it seems like a great big westworld treasure hunt so far. I didn't know anyone thought there was a literal maze.

Hollismason posted:

There's no reason to really make the hosts look human so I won't be surprised if we get to see some hosts with extra limbs and hybrids of animals in the future. Like why not just make a host have just like 8 breasts. Also, if the host technology is that level you know the ultra rich probably just have custom made gently caress bots with vaginas and assholes every where.

Japanworld is probably like that with just dick fingers and all that.

El Jeffe posted:

^dinosaurs

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

8 breasts on a dinosaur covered with anuses?