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Finally caught up on the latest episode. I was hoping that Bernard wasn't a host, but the way it was handled, I think it works out perfectly. The real question now is how much the Board knows about Dr. Ford's plans and just let him have his way. It seems pretty clear that both of them using the term "a blood sacrifice" isn't a coincidence. Also interesting that this time they said "forty" years instead of thirty. "What door?" was maybe a little on the nose, but I still liked it as the final confirmation on Bernard's host status. Lots of crazy ways things can go from here. Here's what Aiden says about "ghost nation" quote:Ghost Nation Territory is only recommended for expert gameplayers; their storylines intersect with some of the most thrilling in the park, but they’re also the most difficult to access. Trust and respect are the keys to their inner circle. e: looks like they got the greenlight for a second season 
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Bicyclops posted:The real question now is how much the Board knows about Dr. Ford's plans and just let him have his way. It seems pretty clear that both of them using the term "a blood sacrifice" isn't a coincidence. I took it as an implication that Ford spied on them via Hector.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:43
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Lycus posted:I took it as an implication that Ford spied on them via Hector. Yea this is clear
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Nov 14, 2016 21:46
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So Bernard was a host and now we will have to endure all those theories which will make pretty much everyone a host (I already saw that horrible theory of the two lab dweebs being hosts popping up again). That's why I still had the hope they wouldn't go there. To me this whole twist is already starting to undermine the more interesting questions so I can just hope once again that they don't overuse this plot device.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:47
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God the "what door?" reveal was episodes in the making and so good.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:56
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I doubt it's going to happen much. Bernard should be 'the' secret host plot.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:57
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Fooz posted:I doubt it's going to happen much. Bernard should be 'the' secret host plot. Agreed. They'd be jumping the shark if fuckin' everyone in the control room is a secret host.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:59
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The scene in episode 10 where Maeve's rebellion is causing all hell to break loose and Ford walks into the control room and every single person in there freezes in place.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:00
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I feel like you get one "person you thought was real is actually a host" for the entire series. They used it well, but the show probably needs to go a new direction after S1 other than "are they or aren't they?" Following in hallowed footsteps, I think the big name actor dies in E9 after discovering he doesn't have nearly as much control as he thinks, and E10 sets up the rest of the show. Maybe a giant civil war between corporate vs hosts while the maze is the through-line for the entire series.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:01
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Did Stubbs know the Clementine show was fake, or did Theresa just risk his life?
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Nov 14, 2016 22:02
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Blind Rasputin posted:One thing that bothers me is the conversation Ford had with Bernard about not pursuing his exploration of the robot sentience. Ford knew he was interested in it and meeting with Delores. So Ford warned him off using Arnold as an example. In hindsight now it is really weird. Like one, why even have this conversation unless Bernard is so autonomous that he's able to explore these things independently. Or, Ford WANTS him to do it and was reverse psychology like encouraging him. Or, Bernard is robo-Arnold and Ford tired of seeing Arnold behavior repeat itself. If it was the first or this later possibility, why didn't Ford just robo-command him not to? Remember, Ford doesn't /want/ them to be sentient. He wants to keep them all pure and unhindered by the needs of self-awareness. We got that back in the first flashback and information dump about the start of the park and Arnold. Also, Ford straight up quoting Mary Shelly in that teaser, goddamn.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:11
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Huxley posted:Following in hallowed footsteps, I think the big name actor dies in E9 after discovering he doesn't have nearly as much control as he thinks, and E10 sets up the rest of the show. Maybe a giant civil war between corporate vs hosts while the maze is the through-line for the entire series. When Abernathy told him he wanted to meet his maker his reaction was mild amusement. Even when Abernathy went completely off script and physically grabbed him, Ford didn't seem to give a poo poo. In hindsight, maybe that's because Bernard was there and he knew his Samaritan protocols would kick in.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:16
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Holy poo poo, it immediately dawned on me that Bernard is a host when they showed his son with all the old 90s medical equipment in the background. That scene happened a long, long time ago, love the attention to detail. Bernard is modeled after Arnold, right? Is there anything that would contradict this?
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Nov 14, 2016 22:23
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Holy poo poo, it immediately dawned on me that Bernard is a host when they showed his son with all the old 90s medical equipment in the background. That scene happened a long, long time ago, love the attention to detail. I think he probably is, because of the photograph. Why else would Arnold's image be blocked for Bernard?
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Nov 14, 2016 22:25
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Every time there's a scene with Maeve and the two chucklehead engineers I wonder why she has the upper hand in these interactions and why those two don't just wipe her. I get that Felix (?) has a certain attraction and sympathy with her, but she really has no power over them if they just stop letting her pick up more and more memories, and/or report her upwards. It's the only thing in the show that makes me scratch my head.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:33
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Mike N Eich posted:Every time there's a scene with Maeve and the two chucklehead engineers I wonder why she has the upper hand in these interactions and why those two don't just wipe her. I get that Felix (?) has a certain attraction and sympathy with her, but she really has no power over them if they just stop letting her pick up more and more memories, and/or report her upwards. Because the plot demands them to be dumb as gently caress.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:37
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DoctorGonzo posted:I hope wee see Clementine again. She was, if there is no return, a character who really could have done more in the show.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:40
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Because the plot demands them to be dumb as gently caress. Also, have you ever had to work with the people that low on the totem pole?
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Nov 14, 2016 22:42
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They don't have the ability to just wipe her without getting into major trouble. Maeve is manipulating them into going along with her plan by exploiting their fear, and in Felix's case, curiosity and attachment. They don't have the ability or foresight to plan ahead. They're just trying to not drown.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:43
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I think my favorite thing about the host/human relationships is that it seems like (baring Sizemore, Elsie sometimes, and other particularly violent guests like Logan) the hosts are mostly more emotional than the humans. Everyone maintains a professional atmosphere in the executive circle and the smart ones keep their thoughts to themselves. For all that we've known Bernard as a "human", he's come off as very detached and unemotional, except when he's in a situation that confuses him. Now that we know he's a host, he looks much more emotional in the previews.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:46
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Because the plot demands them to be dumb as gently caress. You should read the OSHA thread.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:53
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I guess it's just a bridge too far with my sense of disbelief when there are just so few safeguards in place then. I can wave a lot away for the butchers being stupid, selfish and cowardly but I'd just imagine there'd be some very easy ways to prevent stuff like that from happening. But just like Jurassic Park, part of the point of this show is demonstrating that human hubris never gets in the way of poo poo just loving up. I don't know why don't have GPS locators lodged up the butts of every single host though, which meant that whole episode hunting for the woodcutter wouldn't have needed to happen
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Nov 14, 2016 22:54
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hobbesmaster posted:You should read the OSHA thread. Their escape plan will involve driving under a bridge that only has clearance for 11 feet 8 inches and their truck will get stuck.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:54
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LinkesAuge posted:I already saw that horrible theory of the two lab dweebs being hosts popping up again Why shouldn't the lab techs be hosts? It's been suggested several times that being a lab tech is not a very skilled or high-paying position, hosts are basically slave labor, I would think most things that could be done by hosts would be.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:55
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Have the previews to the next episode routinely feature scenes that are not interested the actual next episode? I swear that the episode six preview had a shot of Logan holding Dolores by the neck and kicking her cheek, but I can't recall that ever appearing.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:56
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Have the previews to the next episode routinely feature scenes that are not in the actual next episode?
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Nov 14, 2016 22:56
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Misdirection you say? In this show? Well, I never! I will draft a sternly worded letter post haste!
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Nov 14, 2016 22:58
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Mike N Eich posted:I guess it's just a bridge too far with my sense of disbelief when there are just so few safeguards in place then. I can wave a lot away for the butchers being stupid, selfish and cowardly but I'd just imagine there'd be some very easy ways to prevent stuff like that from happening. But just like Jurassic Park, part of the point of this show is demonstrating that human hubris never gets in the way of poo poo just loving up. You'd think so but then again the USAF has mixed up training and live nuclear missiles in the past and transported them across the US without knowing anything was missing until they went to unload the missiles. Nothing bad has happened in 30 years. Complacency probably set in 29 years and 11 months ago. Besides, giving a gently caress would require spending more time and money and why do that when you can have bigger dividends.
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Nov 14, 2016 22:59
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Some of the previews are "in the weeks ahead" previews rather than "next week" previews.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:03
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Watching Maeve walk to work was amazing this episode. You could see the host newcomers bump into right after getting off the train get in a shootout, and just stop while the guest fumbled his pistol out before shooting him. It's probably happened a million times, but this time Maeve noticed the little things. Now I'm wondering if we can trust anything they show us from the hosts perspective.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:17
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Nov 14, 2016 23:19
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Have the previews to the next episode routinely feature scenes that are not interested the actual next episode? That doesn't look like anything to me.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:21
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I like how we literally can't see a door until it's pointed out. 
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Nov 14, 2016 23:23
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I didn't spend half an hour last night putting this together to get it overlooked 
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Three Olives posted:Why shouldn't the lab techs be hosts? It's been suggested several times that being a lab tech is not a very skilled or high-paying position, hosts are basically slave labor, I would think most things that could be done by hosts would be. Because it defeats the purpose of the show and it is made clear that the tech isn't so widespread or used in such a way. So someone would have to intentionally setup this whole scenario with the two of them for some reason. That might have worked in Bernard's case (and it seems obvious that there is even more to it) but not for two random lab workers. You can argue all day that they would be cheap and effective "slave labor" but then there wouldn't be any reason to deceive their human co-workers (especially considering the security risks) nor would there be any reason why this never comes up as something people talk about. Bernard ist obviously a secret of Ford but if everyone becomes a "secret robot" it starts to stretch the credibility of the story. This doesn't make it impossible for them or anyone else to also be robots but randomly saying it in everyone's case is just throwing poo poo at the wall and see what sticks. It's not really a "theory", it's just crying wolf. They played their "secret robot" card and it was a major character, no need to dilute that with making every random human a secret robot.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:26
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I'd been suspecting bernandroid, and when the camera panned off-center of them to highlight the blank wall I knew things were heating up.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:29
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I wonder who the woman who bernard was skyping a few episodes ago. Is he a copy of a real man who had a real wife? Does she think she's talking to the man she knew? Was it all just going on in his head?
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Nov 14, 2016 23:34
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I am having a hard time believing Bernard is Arnold, at least by appearances. There are absolutely no images of someone who should be rather famous, no matter what kind of hermit he was? Such an unnecessary risk for Ford to take.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:36
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:I wonder who the woman who bernard was skyping a few episodes ago. Is he a copy of a real man who had a real wife? Does she think she's talking to the man she knew? Was it all just going on in his head? She could be a host too.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Have the previews to the next episode routinely feature scenes that are not interested the actual next episode? That was specifically a "In the weeks ahead" preview. Most of the previews specifically say "On the next Westworld" or whatever.
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