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Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Lladre posted:

I don't have a VR headset so I am a little lost here. Do you even need to start up a virtual desktop to stream the video to your headset? I thought you just jacked it into one of the HDMI ports and you at least get your screen.
Is this not correct?
Also I don't believe anyone who says they enjoyed playing that in VR. The game makes you motion sick with just a monitor. VR seems like it would be insufferable.

If you haven't used a VR headset I can understand the confusion. You might be imagining that just by jacking in the HDMI you'll get the equivalent of a monitor screen in front of your eyes like a giant TV you're sitting right in front of. It doesn't work that way. The VR headset does have little screens in front of each eye, yes, but if you just piped the monitor throughput directly to them it would be like pressing your eyeball directly against your television - you'd see maybe 1% of the picture, whatever is in the middle of the screen, it would be loving huge, and you'd have to roll your eyeballs all around to even glimpse anything else. Just imagine going to an IMAX film and standing 1 foot in front of the screen - useless, so it doesn't work that way.

Instead, a slightly different image is sent to each eye to replicate a 3D environment, and it usually starts you off in an empty space (picture the construct from the Matrix and you're very close.) Then you build the 3D environment in that space.

So in this case, with Virtual Desktop, you're in an empty 3D space, maybe with a starfield background or something, then you create a virtual flatscreen monitor in that space. You position your monitor the way you like it - whatever size you want, whatever angle and position, height, distance from your eyes, etc. Then you stream the game onto that virtual monitor.

Find someone with GearVR and have them show you the Netflix app. You put on VR goggles to sit in a 3D room on a virtual couch and you can look all around and see out the windows etc. In front of you is a giant TV screen that streams the Netflix show you've picked, except at far lower resolution than it would be just watching the loving thing on TV. It's technically interesting but gets old fast.

Whichever way you slice it, what he did is in no way VR - not by any definition of the word. He simply chose to sit in front of a low-resolution virtual monitor instead of a high-resolution real-life monitor. He actually made the experience worse and it left him in awe. Star Citizen is redefining what it means to be mentally ill.

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Nickiepoo
Jun 24, 2013

Asema posted:

I don't have time for 1500 new posts in the thread so i'm pretend im posting that 'caught up with the thread' gif but know that i'm a fraud


a dirty fraud

Derek banned. Right, you're caught up.

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

D1E posted:

Derek has already become more productive:

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/800711572804943874

awwwww, now he's got time to work on his game again. I love Happy Endings which are really new beginnings

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Atheist Sunglasses posted:

also I just got this email from CIG:

Hello,

Here is a calculation of the total refundable value of your account:

Total Paid to RSI= $225.00
-Merchandise/Event Tickets= $0
-Subscriptions= $0
Adjusted Maximum= $225.00

Attributed Pledges Remaining on Account= $200.00
Store Credit Value= $0
UEC ($1 per 1000 UEC Purchased)= $0
Total Value= $0

We are able to refund $200.00 USD. We will need a PayPal email address to which we can submit the payment. Please confirm that you would like for us to proceed as once this is completed, it cannot be undone.
Best Wishes,

Danielle Avignon
eCommerce Specialist
---

I'm an idiot and also not an accountant but where did that $25 go?

It says nothing about gifting, maybe you gifted something with a net worth of $25

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

peter gabriel posted:

We should hug this out, it feels like we should hug it out

C'mere you!!! :glomp:

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

The Titanic posted:

C'mere you!!! :glomp:

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.
I love my aegis potato

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

ZenMaster posted:

Noticed this popped up before Star Marine started:



Can somebody who knows video games to English translate what this means?

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

orcinus posted:

lol.



(Croteam CTO)

There is so much good stuff you post, but I just going to pick this one from a million pages back. :shobon:

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

It's nice that they've managed to keep a child like imagination well into adulthood

orcinus
Feb 25, 2016

Fun Shoe

FactsAreUseless posted:

I thought an IK with experience in the rest of the forums would help better integrate the SC forum

What exactly does "better integration" consist of?
Reducing the number of posters/readers to 5?

orcinus
Feb 25, 2016

Fun Shoe

MedicineHut posted:

Meanwhile at CIG...

When VR in 2D makes Star Citizen a completely different game



jesus

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Scruffpuff posted:

If you haven't used a VR headset I can understand the confusion. You might be imagining that just by jacking in the HDMI you'll get the equivalent of a monitor screen in front of your eyes like a giant TV you're sitting right in front of. It doesn't work that way. The VR headset does have little screens in front of each eye, yes, but if you just piped the monitor throughput directly to them it would be like pressing your eyeball directly against your television - you'd see maybe 1% of the picture, whatever is in the middle of the screen, it would be loving huge, and you'd have to roll your eyeballs all around to even glimpse anything else. Just imagine going to an IMAX film and standing 1 foot in front of the screen - useless, so it doesn't work that way.

Instead, a slightly different image is sent to each eye to replicate a 3D environment, and it usually starts you off in an empty space (picture the construct from the Matrix and you're very close.) Then you build the 3D environment in that space.

So in this case, with Virtual Desktop, you're in an empty 3D space, maybe with a starfield background or something, then you create a virtual flatscreen monitor in that space. You position your monitor the way you like it - whatever size you want, whatever angle and position, height, distance from your eyes, etc. Then you stream the game onto that virtual monitor.

Find someone with GearVR and have them show you the Netflix app. You put on VR goggles to sit in a 3D room on a virtual couch and you can look all around and see out the windows etc. In front of you is a giant TV screen that streams the Netflix show you've picked, except at far lower resolution than it would be just watching the loving thing on TV. It's technically interesting but gets old fast.

Whichever way you slice it, what he did is in no way VR - not by any definition of the word. He simply chose to sit in front of a low-resolution virtual monitor instead of a high-resolution real-life monitor. He actually made the experience worse and it left him in awe. Star Citizen is redefining what it means to be mentally ill.

I always read this thread with a VR headset, makes it feel like the shitposts are coming straight at me.

orcinus
Feb 25, 2016

Fun Shoe

ArfJason posted:

*ring ring*



MEI LING: Hey Snake, what can I do for you?

SAVE
DO NOT SAVE


SNAKE: I'm 99.999999% sure it's just bullshit from fyad meanies trying to ruin people's fun after they got GBS shut down.

MEI LING: Remember, Snake, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man how to locate people through extensive NSA computer background checks to zero in their global position coordinates, and you'll make him laugh forever,and not look like a hosed up weirdo who has multiple paid forum accounts and a combined total word count about the fail rear end videogame to outdo the library of congress."

SNAKE: Their pink forum is a retarded circlejerk even worse than this one and they have been hilariously insecure about every fyad-lite.

*Beep*

Kill jester.

orcinus
Feb 25, 2016

Fun Shoe

Lladre posted:

I don't have a VR headset so I am a little lost here. Do you even need to start up a virtual desktop to stream the video to your headset? I thought you just jacked it into one of the HDMI ports and you at least get your screen.
Is this not correct?

This is not correct.
VR headset is not a monitor you strap onto your face.

e: beaten by Scruffpuff's :effort:

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

orcinus posted:

What exactly does "better integration" consist of?
Reducing the number of posters/readers to 5?
:rolleyes:

Mr.PayDay
Jan 2, 2004
life is short - play hard
Welcome to the Crowdfunding Development Spreadsheet 2.0.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tMAP0fg-AKScI3S3VjrDW3OaLO4zgBA1RSYoQOQoNSI/htmlview#gid=1694467207

A diary of shattered dreams.

I will selfquote me in 3 years after this Desaster came to an end and funding stopped in summer 2019 with 190 Million Dollar sunk and ~ 70 % missed stretch goals and creeped features with a 61 metascore SQ42 that would have been a solid 76 in 2014 and a SC Beta 4.3 with several half finished modules.
Meanwhile pgabz videos are linked from gaming mags who try to explain why the gaming "journalists" ignored and did not "get" the obvious fiasco till the end.

Derek Smart releases a book "Star Citizen: After Wing Commander Chris Roberts made is 'Verse". It is a topseller at xmas 2019 with a comprehension and aftermath of all that was said and done, ending with "one last personal note to Chris Roberts:
"It does not matter any more, Chris, but this is a sad story for PC Gaming.
By the way, I was right.

Find more about Line of Defense on my Smartspeak Website."

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Best turn of events. :3:

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

The Titanic posted:

Can somebody who knows video games to English translate what this means?

It's mostly just the engine setting up the shaders, the particle effects and texture streaming. There are couple of error messages in red, but they're really hard to read.

The game attempts to connect to a Kythera (AI subsystem) recording server, probably for testing purposes, but it's not running.

The last line is a command to manually connect to a server on an internal network.

iron buns fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Nov 21, 2016

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene
hello derek what is your favorite kind of taco

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Atheist Sunglasses posted:

also I just got this email from CIG:

Hello,

Here is a calculation of the total refundable value of your account:

Total Paid to RSI= $225.00
-Merchandise/Event Tickets= $0
-Subscriptions= $0
Adjusted Maximum= $225.00

Attributed Pledges Remaining on Account= $200.00
Store Credit Value= $0
UEC ($1 per 1000 UEC Purchased)= $0
Total Value= $0

We are able to refund $200.00 USD. We will need a PayPal email address to which we can submit the payment. Please confirm that you would like for us to proceed as once this is completed, it cannot be undone.
Best Wishes,

Danielle Avignon
eCommerce Specialist
---

I'm an idiot and also not an accountant but where did that $25 go?

Did they lower the price of whatever it was you bought?

That'd be an interesting new tactic if true.

orcinus
Feb 25, 2016

Fun Shoe

Raskolnikov posted:

There is so much good stuff you post, but I just going to pick this one from a million pages back. :shobon:

The comments under that post were pretty funny too, but unfortunately in eastern-european-squatting-tracksuitese gobbledygook language of yore.

orcinus
Feb 25, 2016

Fun Shoe
Jesus christ, i only just realized the Star Citizen VR guy didn't even get head tracking to work.
So he was literally staring at a virtual 2D screen.

It's *exactly* the same experience he'd have if he plugged a TV into his computer and played SC on that, except at a shittier resolution and with an even lower framerate.

TheLightPurges
Sep 24, 2016

by exmarx
TrackIR got taken out a few months ago. Coming back soon promise.

Big K of Justice
Nov 27, 2005

Anyone seen my ball joints?

The Titanic posted:

Can somebody who knows video games to English translate what this means?

Typical Shader generation, loading things into memory.

One thing sticks out....

Kythera, they're using a 3rd party AI system for SC now? Does that mean they ditched their in-house attempts or would this be a plan "B".

OB_Juan
Nov 24, 2004

Not every day is a good day.


Dinosaur Gum
So wait, did star marine appear?

aleksendr
May 14, 2014

Big K of Justice posted:

Typical Shader generation, loading things into memory.

One thing sticks out....

Kythera, they're using a 3rd party AI system for SC now? Does that mean they ditched their in-house attempts or would this be a plan "B".

Does it mean we could DDOS the Ai server and make the game shard NPC super dumb ?

Ash1138
Sep 29, 2001

Get up, chief. We're just gettin' started.

D1E posted:

Derek has already become more productive:

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/800711572804943874
freed from the shackles of star citizen

HycoCam
Jul 14, 2016

You should have backed Transverse!

Beet Wagon posted:

We should commission :pgabz: to to a Derek Smart video memorial. Somebody send him a copy of that "In the arms of an angel" song.
If you need a clip of a giant manbaby in a dragon costume tearing up over someone's departure--I know where you can find one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40rpmm9E-U4&t=77s

If I wasn't rushing to follow inri's advice, I'd make my own Warlord tribute clip. Hope those in the ol' USA have an enjoyable feast with family and/or friends on Thursday. And thread--don't stop delivering!

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

iron buns posted:

It's mostly just the engine setting up the shaders, the particle effects and texture streaming. There are couple of error messages in red, but they're really hard to read.

The game attempts to connect to a Kythera (AI subsystem) recording server, probably for testing purposes, but it's not running.

The last line is a command to manually connect to a server on an internal network.

Thank you, friend.

I figured that, I didn't see anything glaring "omg stupid" but I wanted to be sure. Sometimes CIG isn't 100% wrong. :)

TheLightPurges
Sep 24, 2016

by exmarx

OB_Juan posted:

So wait, did star marine appear?

Well appear in the sense that after hours of failed attempts managed to set up a bad LAN connection to a really lovely 2010 FPS with only about 1/4 of the hyped features.

Then yes, it exists.

aleksendr
May 14, 2014

OB_Juan posted:

So wait, did star marine appear?

Yes. 4VS4 lobby FPS deathmatch from 2008. Streamed on a LAN with horrible ping last week. Supposed to be released for christmas

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth sixth some day

Big K of Justice posted:

Typical Shader generation, loading things into memory.

One thing sticks out....

Kythera, they're using a 3rd party AI system for SC now? Does that mean they ditched their in-house attempts or would this be a plan "B".

They've always used 3rd Party for AI; In-house is not yet implemented.

And probably would be built on the broken skeleton of middleware anyway.

Ash1138
Sep 29, 2001

Get up, chief. We're just gettin' started.

aleksendr posted:

Does it mean we could DDOS the Ai server and make the game shard NPC super dumb ?
make?

Nickiepoo
Jun 24, 2013

OB_Juan posted:

So wait, did star marine appear?

It's a solid 'kinda'.

Ash1138
Sep 29, 2001

Get up, chief. We're just gettin' started.

star citizen ai is actually really advanced and realistic

unfortunately it is patterned after star citizen fans

orcinus
Feb 25, 2016

Fun Shoe

Conspiratiorist posted:

They've always used 3rd Party for AI; In-house is not yet implemented.

And probably would be built on the broken skeleton of middleware anyway.

Note also that "AI" here mostly just means "path finding".

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

Lol said the scorpion, lmao

TheLightPurges posted:

TrackIR got taken out a few months ago. Coming back soon promise.


TrackIR has been gone since the 2.0 patch, over a year ago.

TheLightPurges
Sep 24, 2016

by exmarx

aleksendr posted:

Yes. 4VS4 lobby FPS deathmatch from 2008. Streamed on a LAN with horrible ping last week. Supposed to be released for christmas

Oh no bro, this poo poo is gonna be live 12/8/16. 2 weeks from now according to roadmap. On PTR maybe even next Monday.

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iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

http://kythera.ai/case-studies/star-citizen

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