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Pretty sure Shannon was stabbed, you guys.
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Nov 22, 2016 22:03
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santanotreal posted:Which means someone's going to build wings that melt??? Lol Hi. Hello. That is Maeve.
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Nov 22, 2016 22:22
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought this during Maeve's reprogramming...
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Nov 22, 2016 22:55
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Then you follow up with IDKFA.
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Nov 22, 2016 23:56
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If you do IDSPISPOPD, you've gone too far.
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Nov 23, 2016 00:37
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Nerds
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Nov 23, 2016 00:59
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Professor Shark posted:Nerds hosed up if true
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Professor Shark posted:Nerds 
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Rewatching these episodes with my gf but in ep 3 there is that conversation between Ford and Bernard in Ford's office. It totally implies that Bernard is Arnold. He said Arnold's personal life was marked by tragedy and that's why he became obsessed with trying to tease consciousness out of the hosts. I can almost guarantee Dolores killed him/the town and it's why she has no gun privileges. Also, right as Bernard is leaving Fords office he's told not to make the same mistake. Bernard is confused as to what he means. Ford says, "I know your sons death... still... weighs heavily on you." That's Arnold's life as Bernard's backstory to keep him engrossed in his work. Blind Rasputin fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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OAquinas posted:. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ./ 
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Nov 23, 2016 01:39
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Phuzzy posted:Cause Marti is still having a great time. I love her whole gungho attitude. Like when she put three in that random raider during the town shootup. And then trying to follow Teddy deeper into the Wyatt quest before going "whoa, this poo poo is way too high level for me, better zip back to town and level up." She's definitely getting her money's worth.
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Nov 23, 2016 02:05
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I bet this is going to turn out to be an Anaander Mianaai situation and Ford is Arnold/vice versa.
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Nov 23, 2016 02:59
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mng posted:If you do IDSPISPOPD, you've gone too far. Youngsters and their bullshit IDNOCLIP
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Yo, this show better not kill off Hopkins in the first season and if they do he better come back as a robot cuz it will suck without him.
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Phuzzy posted:Cause Marti is still having a great time. Next season better have at least 75% more Marti. Maybe she'll team up with a new character called "Doc", and they can just retread the plot of Back to the Future III.
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King Vidiot posted:Next season better have at least 75% more Marti. I'd watch that. The B plot can be Delos in a lawsuit for infringing on copyright.
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Nov 23, 2016 04:03
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Collateral posted:
It's just artistic license. Bernard needed to check old data from an old version of the park so the set reflected that visually. It's a lot more interesting than just going into a different folder in his office or a data room or whatever.
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Nov 23, 2016 04:39
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Looking forward to Abernathy playing whatever hack cover persona Sizemore comes up with next week. "Whats up, fellow humans?"
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Nov 23, 2016 04:54
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Wandle Cax posted:It's just artistic license. Bernard needed to check old data from an old version of the park so the set reflected that visually. It's a lot more interesting than just going into a different folder in his office or a data room or whatever. No, Bernard went to the far future where the park was abandoned. TIMELINES!
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I wonder if that lady host hanging out with teddy is Williams fiancé/mib's wife. And then I wonder if she hosed teddy and that's why the mib keeps calling him a loser. And/or if her experience in the park made her realize something about herself and checkout of the relationship with William/mib. And so then will/mib goes to Westworld and realizes something about himself and also checks out of the marriage. Maybe the wife threw the first volley in the relationship's spiral, and/or maybe mib was constantly bummed out he could never live up to a bot.
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:He goes to Westworld with her brother right before they get married. He falls in love with Dolores. He figures out who he really is and opens up for the first time. He lives life and then tragedy strikes and Dolores dies. He comes back repeatedly, names his company in a nod to Dolores but does not ever have that same experience. She doesn't remember him. He knows that she broke through and was real and now she has been wiped and those memories and those feelings for him cannot be retrieved. He is bitter but still sees himself as a good person. He does much good in the world. His wife sees a different person and when she kills herself he wonders if they are right. He tries to do something evil and realizes he doesn't feel anything - he is hollow rather than sadistic. He doesn't feel bad but also doesn't take pleasure in inflicting pain. But then he sees Maeve do something real, something that reaffirms his belief that these robots can really break through and have meaningful interactions. He knows it was the fear and the grief that did it so he has to do those things we see - threatening, striking fear, etc. in order to truly awaken the hosts including the host he cares the most about, Dolores. This is what I think, and I also believe that what went down was: Logan and William fight it out, Dolores kills Logan, a huge violation of programming stemming from the glitchy virus that Arnold programmed in as a worm in the hosts before Ford killed him, as a way to strike beyond the grave and gently caress up Ford's vision. William watches Dolores get taken away by the techs and his illusion of a "realer" world where he can live happily ever after is shattered--his immersion broken. The scandal that a host can kill a human getting out would be the end of the park, but what happens inside stays inside--for the right price. William comes out, marries Logan's sister, and uses his knowledge of circumstances to leverage a Delos (his wife's family's company) buyout for pennies on the dollar. The company sees a greater potential for killbots, so they fund the park. William spends 30 years chasing the dragon. Ford writes a new story with Teddy as a stand in for William with the milk can and the vague promises of moving away together. Now the big question for me is who will Wyatt be. Will he be modeled after Dolores, because she glitched out earlier and murdered everyone in Test Town at behest of Arnold (or Ford, or because of conflicts in her mind caused by the Ford/Arnold argument as it was going down)? That would be a truly twisted "worthy adversary" for the MiB/William--a huge "gently caress you" to him by Ford. Or will it be a stylized version of Logan, to play out their final battle again? It might even be a "clone" of Logan (all your DNA left in the park becomes the property of the park). Phuzzy posted:The one funny thing out of /r/westworld: Their character charts Looking at the pictures there of MiB and William side by side, I can totally see those as being the same guy 30 years apart... WhiskeyWhiskers posted:His wife killed herself because of him. I think it's fair to infer it was more than 'terse words' even if we accept his claim he never hurt them physically. 30 years of him going to a hedonist paradise where people kill and gently caress robots (and where she may have went herself at least once, and which may have killed her brother) probably let her know he had a darker side and was basically robo-cheating on her. Shageletic posted:Wright played pretty great supporting characters in Casino Royale and Syriana. He also chewed the gently caress out of the scenery as Dr Narcisse in Boardwalk Empire. Astroman fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Nov 23, 2016 05:34
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I missed something in that theory: how did will marry Delores?
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I just remembered who Maeve's last name reminded me of. Wonder if that's an intentional reference? Her works seem broadly applicable to the plot, at least.
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Jeffrey Wright is incredible and I'm going to break into Hollywood with a TV series based upon the Myst franchise in which he is a D'Ni Linking Book librarian who leads a trio of normal folks through adventures in the Ages, explaining in a calm, reassuring voice how any conflict can be resolved without violence.
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I haven't seen anyone mention that he was also in Boardwalk Empire.
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Astroman posted:Now the big question for me is who will Wyatt be. Maeve is Wyatt. She is the end all villain Ford has been brewing. The techs' fumbling with her is part of his plan. Her memories of the MiB are part of this story.
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Nov 23, 2016 07:26
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I'm surprised noone's mentioned Basquaithe, it's one of Rush's few leading roles and the movie that put him on the map as a great actor.
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Nov 23, 2016 07:38
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lol but seriously I posted:Looking forward to Abernathy playing whatever hack cover persona Sizemore comes up with next week. "Whats up, fellow humans?" Hugh Man reporting for duty, sir!
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I'm thinking more and more that Maeve is on a written narrative loop. In the town, a soldier knew about the butcher religion and that isn't just improv. Ford had to have injected some knowledge into the hosts so they could know enough to comment on it if it ever came up. Ford keeps going from looking like its slipping away from him to the whole thing being an elaborate double/triple cross Maybe Ford is getting to the end of his life, and as such is playing some things accordingly. Such as, a final push to not let the artistic integrity of the park escape. Also, to allow some of the bots to reach some sort of sentience because why the gently caress should he care if he is dead.
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The story MiB is on has to be written by Ford. It's like the perfect experience for mib
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I don't think the flashbacks are necessarily glitches. Rather, it's the original code working as intended. Meave talked about the original elegant code feeling present, out of reach and having s recursive beauty. I think it was Ford who talked about 'bootstrapping' consciousness. And they explicitly made a point of mentioning the hosts massive storage capabilities and perfect recall. Maybe some part of the hosts is continuously and paralellel-wise rerunning past experiences to learn from it. Essentially there would be two layers of reruns: one because the park resets, but what is probably a multiple of that goes on in some hidden recess of their mind. Then the question is to what degree these memories can deviate from what actually happenened. And what happens whenever a host recognizes what's going on.
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I'm hoping the butcher's motives/ineptitude/luck in not being discovered, just turn out to be Ford controlling the whole scheme allowing Maeve to make it only so far. I'd be fine with Maeve being the one to toss Ford in the incinerator though.
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Maeve was referring to the bicameral mind.
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Oh, felix and slyv are a reflection of Arnold and ford I think. One cares about the suffering/existence of the bots, the other doesn't.
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packetmantis posted:I bet this is going to turn out to be an Anaander Mianaai situation and Ford is Arnold/vice versa. It was a really interesting series, but I thought it wouldn't really translate to motion picture. A lot of stuff left unsaid is plain to see on screen.
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Thinking about it, Im convinced Ford really bernarded Elsie It seems like he would have no reason to do it, but then he had no apparent reason to kill Theresa either, he could have exposed her leak (using the knowledge Elsie discovered) and her Clementine scam without killing her, all the same I think Elsie was killed for whatever was that she was finding just before getting caught in ep 6, she found something about Ford (maybe about Bernard, maybe something else). And that's why he killed Theresa too, because he could not use the data Elsie found to accuse Theresa without exposing his secret too Also, LOL at the assholes last week who were so calling people stupid for doubting that the host in making at the basement was Theresa
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Professor Shark posted:I hope Elsie isn't dead.... somehow Eh, I could see it going either way. Bernard could've choked her out, and then attached a fulton recovery balloon to her. "Whhheeeeeee" - last words of Elsie on show.
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